Political Roundtable Part XVI

stilldropin20 · Post #1241 » by **stilldropin20** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 8:57 pm

this is significant because the left wing conspiracy media was drumming up a story that Trump Jr sent out a tweet on the 4th based on this email from wiki...that trump jr didn't receive until the 14th.

#fakenews. #falsenarrative #liberaldronesbelieve anything!

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cammac · Post #1242 » by **cammac** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 9:12 pm

For the Trumpians who believe in high GDP growth everything says it won't happen.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/imf-canada-economy-g7-1.4347737
The growth will be acceptable but not the numbers that the Republicans spout!
In fact the numbers can possibly go lower if NATFA is dissolved it will hurt 3 economies.

Post #1243 » by **montestewart** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 9:19 pm

2 points responding to assertions/implications on the previous page

1) The process of impeachment for crimes is written into the Constitution. You can hate a president all you want, but until you have grounds to impeach, that hate amounts to nothing. No president has ever been impeached without a significant opposition (primarily from the opposition party) leading the charge, and without such opposition, presidents would loudly and defiantly do anything they want. Which sounds very familiar.

An impeachment doesn't nullify an election, any more than the death or resignation of a president does. The voters vote for his replacement as well. If Trump is impeached, his replacement (assuming there's not another Agnew situation) will be the people's choice, upholding the election. Any other interpretation is pure partisan bluster.

2) Prominent homophobe and connoisseur of underage girls James Woods is a very respectable source, as is the Daily Mail, which he cites. I think most people don't really understand the word "conflict" the way they throw it around regarding members of the Mueller legal team having conflicts that should prevent them from serving on the team. Conflict, in the legal world, refers to a lawyer working on one side of a conflict, and then working for the other side, bringing the benefit of all they've learned in a privileged and confidential setting with them. For that reason, past affiliations with lawyers, law firms, cases, clients, etc. are screened to prevent conflicts.

There is no actual "conflict" behind these claims of conflict. Mueller is a Republican, appointed to the FBI by a Republican, and appointed as special prosecutor by a Republican. Comey is a Republican as well.They appoint people who may be Democrats or Republicans, who may have represented Democrats or Republicans, who may have gone up against Democrats or Republicans, because, you know, lawyers can do that.

As long as there is no actual conflict of interest, there is no issue. So there is no issue. Fake news. I like a lot of James Woods movie (I loved him as the Exorcist priest taking a dump in Scary Movie 2) but he's about as nutty as Trump is.

dckingsfan · Post #1244 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 9:25 pm

TGW wrote:dckings--just curious...did you vote for Trump? You're one of the few conservatives who's opinion I actually respect.

I'm just curious to see how normal conservative-voting Americans feel about how Trump is doing.

No - I was and am a never Trumper. I also thought that Hillary at heart is a pragmatist and could have worked with the GOP to come up with a better tax code and a more sustainable government. Still voting for the Clinton machine was hard to do.

I think Brooks captures how I feel best:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/opinion/the-gop-is-rotting.html

cammac · Post #1245 » by **cammac** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 9:34 pm

montestewart wrote:2 points responding to assertions/implications on the previous page

1) The process of impeachment for crimes is written into the Constitution. You can hate a president all you want, but until you have grounds to impeach, that hate amounts to nothing. No president has ever been impeached without a significant opposition (primarily from the opposition party) leading the charge, and without such opposition, presidents would loudly and defiantly do anything they want. Which sounds very familiar.

An impeachment doesn't nullify an election, and more than the death or resignation of a president does. The voters vote for his replacement as well. If Trump is impeached, his replacement (assuming there's not another Agnew situation) will be the people's choice, upholding the election. Any other interpretation is pure partisan bluster.

2) Prominent homophobe and connoisseur of underage girls James Woods is a very respectable source, as is the daily Mail, which he cites. I think most people don't really understand the word "conflict" the way they throw it around regarding members of the Mueller legal team having conflicts that should prevent them from serving on the team. Conflict, in the legal world, refers to a lawyer working on one side of a conflict, and then working for the other side, bringing the benefit of all you've learned in a privileged and confidential setting with you. For that reason, past affiliations with lawyers, law firms, cases, clients, etc. are screened to prevent conflicts.

There is no actual "conflict" behind these claims of conflict. Mueller is a republican, appointed to the FBI by a Republican, and appointed as special prosecutor by a Republican. Comey is a Republican as well.They appoint people who may be Democrats or Republicans, who may have represented Democrats or Republicans, who may have gone up against Democrats or Republicans, because, you know, lawyers can do that.

As long as there is no actual conflict of interest, there is no issue. So there is no issue. Fake news. I like a lot of James Woods movie (I loved him as the Exorcist priest taking a dump in Scary Movie 2) but he's about as nutty as Trump is.

To add to Monte's points if you remember Clinton was impeached he did not lose the Presidency it would then require a 2/3rd. majority in the Senate. It is very unlikely Trump would be impeached in his 1st and likely only term. Plus even more unlikely that 2/3 of the Senate would move to have him removed from office.
Mueller is moving at a unprecedented rate as a "Special Prosecutor" expect more charges before or just after the new year. I don't think any Democrat is asking for a nullification of the election no matter how tainted it may turn out to be. Trump won and Clinton lost that is the reality it seems that Trump and many Trumpites have a unhealthy obsession with Hillary because she won the popular vote.

stilldropin20 · Post #1246 » by **stilldropin20** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 9:46 pm

montestewart wrote:2 points responding to assertions/implications on the previous page

1) The process of impeachment for crimes is written into the Constitution. You can hate a president all you want, but until you have grounds to impeach, that hate amounts to nothing. No president has ever been impeached without a significant opposition (primarily from the opposition party) leading the charge, and without such opposition, presidents would loudly and defiantly do anything they want. Which sounds very familiar.

An impeachment doesn't nullify an election, and more than the death or resignation of a president does. The voters vote for his replacement as well. If Trump is impeached, his replacement (assuming there's not another Agnew situation) will be the people's choice, upholding the election. Any other interpretation is pure partisan bluster.

2) Prominent homophobe and connoisseur of underage girls James Woods is a very respectable source, as is the daily Mail, which he cites. I think most people don't really understand the word "conflict" the way they throw it around regarding members of the Mueller legal team having conflicts that should prevent them from serving on the team. Conflict, in the legal world, refers to a lawyer working on one side of a conflict, and then working for the other side, bringing the benefit of all you've learned in a privileged and confidential setting with you. For that reason, past affiliations with lawyers, law firms, cases, clients, etc. are screened to prevent conflicts.

There is no actual "conflict" behind these claims of conflict. Mueller is a republican, appointed to the FBI by a Republican, and appointed as special prosecutor by a Republican. Comey is a Republican as well.They appoint people who may be Democrats or Republicans, who may have represented Democrats or Republicans, who may have gone up against Democrats or Republicans, because, you know, lawyers can do that.

As long as there is no actual conflict of interest, there is no issue. So there is no issue. Fake news. I like a lot of James Woods movie (I loved him as the Exorcist priest taking a dump in Scary Movie 2) but he's about as nutty as Trump is.

all of this is your opinion. none of it the rule of law although in 1. you are at least appearing objective.

The FBI investigation in trump and collusion first and foremost has found no collusion. Second collusion is not even a crime. there is no statute for it.

so th einvestigation is nothing more than a way for the liberal left to find something (anything). and for Mueller to make a name for himself. We still talk about kenneth Starr to this day and Mueller is looking to make that same kind of name for himself on the back of whoever he can take down for whatever petty crime he can dig up. so far he has 2 idiots on lying to the FBI. Which comes with a maximun 5 year sentence. So he has to admitted liars who he is hoping will lie again and point the finger up the food chain to save themeselves from prison time.

and for flynn, he lied about having contact with russian ambassador. all because of russia hysteria cooked up by the left.

I mean CNN, MSNBC at al ran with russia russia russia hysteria for months. solely to slow down trump from executing his campaign promises. Trump and Flynn wanted to slow down the hysteria just for some elbow room and like a complete idiot flynn lied about completely legal activity. I mean flynn was either a double agent from jump street or a complete idiot or duped in this lie not understanding he was under investigation. either way stupid. stupid stupid.

But with all that said, where is the collusion? The entire investigation was about collusion and none has been found. 1 year after the Obama administration launched the attack on an incoming administration post election. Nothing found. All we have is Flynn lying about completely legal (and normal) activity.

so this whole thing amounts to a witch hunt.

and to conduct this witch hunt Mueller has used almost entirely Obama and Clinton appointed judges, investigators, and FBI agents. Some of which have major skin in the game as they were clearly part of the Steele dossier investigation and FISA warrant applications.

This entire thing stinks and you know it. Everyone on here knows it.

Here, let's try this. I could regain respect for this board if, to a man, each and every one of you would simply state something to the effect that:

1. I dont like trump.
2. i dont care about legalities.
3. i just want to either have him impeached
4. Or discredit him so much that he cant push his agenda through congress. and hope you get seats back in either the senate or house in 2018 making it impossible to continue to MAGA. Which is weird because Americans are finally back to works and the economy is kicking azz. why would you any of oppose this?

80% of americans finances rely on the economy. Only a Few do not: professors. entitlement recipients. and some governement workers. everyone else? Our income desperately depend on a thriving economy.

But yeah...just come out and say that you dont like trump...put it in your signatures and that's fine with me. But dont pretend your on the high ground here when in fact you are in the gutter of gutters. You lost an election and you simply want to whine and cry about it. and are weaponizing your bitterness into what you are pretending is reason a rational behavior.

Come clean and i repsect ya. Wizardspride pretty much came clean. He said he is simply a relentless, unabashed, and unrepentant liberal. No matter the issue. he just sticks to his guns. Fine. Truth and justice doesn't matter to him. he simply wants it his way. I can at least respect his honesty and his position.

stilldropin20 · Post #1247 » by **stilldropin20** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 9:59 pm

cammac wrote:
montestewart wrote:2 points responding to assertions/implications on the previous page

1) The process of impeachment for crimes is written into the Constitution. You can hate a president all you want, but until you have grounds to impeach, that hate amounts to nothing. No president has ever been impeached without a significant opposition (primarily from the opposition party) leading the charge, and without such opposition, presidents would loudly and defiantly do anything they want. Which sounds very familiar.

An impeachment doesn't nullify an election, and more than the death or resignation of a president does. The voters vote for his replacement as well. If Trump is impeached, his replacement (assuming there's not another Agnew situation) will be the people's choice, upholding the election. Any other interpretation is pure partisan bluster.

2) Prominent homophobe and connoisseur of underage girls James Woods is a very respectable source, as is the daily Mail, which he cites. I think most people don't really understand the word "conflict" the way they throw it around regarding members of the Mueller legal team having conflicts that should prevent them from serving on the team. Conflict, in the legal world, refers to a lawyer working on one side of a conflict, and then working for the other side, bringing the benefit of all you've learned in a privileged and confidential setting with you. For that reason, past affiliations with lawyers, law firms, cases, clients, etc. are screened to prevent conflicts.

There is no actual "conflict" behind these claims of conflict. Mueller is a republican, appointed to the FBI by a Republican, and appointed as special prosecutor by a Republican. Comey is a Republican as well.They appoint people who may be Democrats or Republicans, who may have represented Democrats or Republicans, who may have gone up against Democrats or Republicans, because, you know, lawyers can do that.

As long as there is no actual conflict of interest, there is no issue. So there is no issue. Fake news. I like a lot of James Woods movie (I loved him as the Exorcist priest taking a dump in Scary Movie 2) but he's about as nutty as Trump is.

To add to Monte's points if you remember Clinton was impeached he did not lose the Presidency it would then require a 2/3rd. majority in the Senate. It is very unlikely Trump would be impeached in his 1st and likely only term. Plus even more unlikely that 2/3 of the Senate would move to have him removed from office.
Mueller is moving at a unprecedented rate as a "Special Prosecutor" expect more charges before or just after the new year. I don't think any Democrat is asking for a nullification of the election no matter how tainted it may turn out to be. Trump won and Clinton lost that is the reality it seems that Trump and many Trumpites have a unhealthy obsession with Hillary because she won the popular vote.

oh please. give me a break. you have 48 votes right now. you guys are dying to get Alabama. 49

and you guys will do everything you can to take the majority of the senate. I'm not sure how many seat are forcasted tight in 2018 but you guys are hoping to discredit trump as much as possible so as to take as many of those seats back as possible.

plus, mccain, flake, Corker, (possibly mcconnel, likely graham, likely rand paul, likely ted Cruz) will vote to impeach him. at least 5 of them will run in the next election should trump get impreach and all 7 of them would love the more subdued Pence at the helm. Because pence wont call them out and make them look bad. where trump will likelu actively campaign against them to put another Bannon republican in their place.

so save your breath. we are not dumb. we know this is heading to impeachment. there was already a damn impeachment vote in the house yesterday for christs sakes!!!!!! all you need is 10 seats in the senate plus alabama. that gives 59 votes. plus those 7 rinos that want to be president themselves and you got your 66 votes. The actual establishment republicans fear trump/bannon. they knwo they trump/bannon are coming for their seats because they wont get the legislation done.

so yeah. get real. we know what you want.

Post #1248 » by **montestewart** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 10:16 pm

STD, collusion with a foreign power to produce an election outcome that serves that foreign power's interests is conspiracy to commit treason. In that case, collusion is a crime. That's not an opinion, but you're minimization of known facts and assumption that everything that has been or will be revealed by the investigation is known (much less understood) by you, that is an opinion, tailored to produce a predetermined outcome.

I think you're starting to lose your storied composure. Remember, I didn't vote for Clinton, so my guy didn't lose, and I have no bitterness to weaponize. I think Trump and his acolytes are bitter in their defensiveness of a man who is hardly responsible for what few "victories" Republicans have gained (Congress passed a tax plan which Trump clearly could not comprehend), who lost the popular vote by millions, who is unable to accept personal accountability for anything.

I hate to see this get to you. Maybe you should take a break and go back to doing what you do best, drilling the teeth of the salt of the earth. Our president is an entertainer. Learn to enjoy the show.

stilldropin20 · Post #1249 » by **stilldropin20** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 10:18 pm

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Post #1250 » by **montestewart** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 10:22 pm

Ha! Pure political theater. It's just going to encourage more of his victims to come forward. They hate him for what he did, and lived in fear of him for years as he became more powerful and intimidated everyone into silence. Now there's opposition political money to back them up. Whether he's elected or not, that guy's going down, and if he is elected, he'll be nothing but a loud mouthed sideshow.

stilldropin20 · Post #1251 » by **stilldropin20** » Sat Dec 9, 2017 10:32 pm

montestewart wrote:STD, collusion with a foreign power to produce an election outcome that serves that foreign power's interests is conspiracy to commit treason. In that case, collusion is a crime. That's not an opinion, but you're minimization of known facts and assumption that everything that has been or will be revealed by the investigation is known (much less understood) by you, that is an opinion, tailored to produce a predetermined outcome.

I think you're starting to lose your storied composure. Remember, I didn't vote for Clinton, so my guy didn't lose, and I have no bitterness to weaponize. I think Trump and his acolytes are bitter in their defensiveness of a man who is hardly responsible for what few "victories" Republicans have gained (Congress passed a tax plan which Trump clearly could not comprehend), who lost the popular vote by millions, who is unable to accept personal accountability for anything.

I hate to see this get to you. Maybe you should take a break and go back to doing what you do best, drilling the teeth of the salt of the earth. Our president is an entertainer. Learn to enjoy the show.

fair enough. and i guess that is my point: that all presidents are indeed entertainers. That "its" all a dog and pony show. the wealthy elite ruling class still run this country. and we all know it. Its just a matter of which group of billionaires gain most from any given administration.

But here's the rub. I dont think Donald Trump got the memo. and thats the sole reason i support him.

he just hasn't got the memo and i dont think he is going to "get the memo" either. This man is taking "it" on. And its clearly working.

Isnt there something unique about that? something special? maybe democracy has a chance?

closg00 · Post #1252 » by **closg00** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:30 am

Another day, another Trump lie debunked

Trump Watches Up To 8 Hours Of TV Per Day
“I do not watch much television,” the president said last month.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-television-eight-hours_us_5a2c273fe4b069ec48add6d7?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Doug_Blew · Post #1253 » by **Doug_Blew** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:32 am

stilldropin20 wrote:
so save your breath. we are not dumb. we know this is heading to impeachment. there was already a damn impeachment vote in the house yesterday for christs sakes!!!!!! all you need is 10 seats in the senate plus alabama. that gives 59 votes. plus those 7 rinos that want to be president themselves and you got your 66 votes. The actual establishment republicans fear trump/bannon. they knwo they trump/bannon are coming for their seats because they wont get the legislation done.

so yeah. get real. we know what you want.

hahaha! Just yesterday you ensured us that Trump was gong to win re-election in 2020 and that there was nothing we could do about it. Is Saturday your Xanax day?

cammac · Post #1254 » by **cammac** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:17 am

Doug_Blew wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
so save your breath. we are not dumb. we know this is heading to impeachment. there was already a damn impeachment vote in the house yesterday for christs sakes!!!!!! all you need is 10 seats in the senate plus alabama. that gives 59 votes. plus those 7 rinos that want to be president themselves and you got your 66 votes. The actual establishment republicans fear trump/bannon. they knwo they trump/bannon are coming for their seats because they wont get the legislation done.

so yeah. get real. we know what you want.

hahaha! Just yesterday you ensured us that Trump was gong to win re-election in 2020 and that there was nothing we could do about it. Is Saturday your Xanax day?

SD20 has absolutely no concept of how the electoral process works?
Yes the Democrats my retake the house but how are they to retake the Senate with 59 votes in 2018?
Unless Santa Claus came early there are 34 Senate seats up for grab in 2018 of which 25 are Democratic and 9 Republican.
The only opportunity for Democratic pickups are Arizona, Nevada, Alabama and if everything goes right Texas and Tennessee and in 2018 the Democrats will now defend Minnesota. Assuming they lose zero Senate races the best they could extremely optimistically expect is 53 seats in the Senate. 2020 is another story but it is extremely unlikely Trump would be elected again.

Post #1255 » by **Zonkerbl** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:19 am

Jones winning isn’t all that unlikely, if you imagine Alabama conservatives being totally disgusted with the whole circus and staying home.

That’s partly why HRC lost, people just didn’t vote, the only people excited about it were the loonies.

stilldropin20 · Post #1256 » by **stilldropin20** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:15 am

cammac wrote:
Doug_Blew wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
so save your breath. we are not dumb. we know this is heading to impeachment. there was already a damn impeachment vote in the house yesterday for christs sakes!!!!!! all you need is 10 seats in the senate plus alabama. that gives 59 votes. plus those 7 rinos that want to be president themselves and you got your 66 votes. The actual establishment republicans fear trump/bannon. they knwo they trump/bannon are coming for their seats because they wont get the legislation done.

so yeah. get real. we know what you want.

hahaha! Just yesterday you ensured us that Trump was gong to win re-election in 2020 and that there was nothing we could do about it. Is Saturday your Xanax day?

SD20 has absolutely no concept of how the electoral process works?
Yes the Democrats my retake the house but how are they to retake the Senate with 59 votes in 2018?
Unless Santa Claus came early there are 34 Senate seats up for grab in 2018 of which 25 are Democratic and 9 Republican.
The only opportunity for Democratic pickups are Arizona, Nevada, Alabama and if everything goes right Texas and Tennessee and in 2018 the Democrats will now defend Minnesota. Assuming they lose zero Senate races the best they could extremely optimistically expect is 53 seats in the Senate. 2020 is another story but it is extremely unlikely Trump would be elected again.

no concept? ok sure.

i never said 2018 and i have not looked at how close the congressional seats will be in 2020.

the game plan is to muddy up trump so much that he is forced to sit on his hands and not campaign for his people a la Bill Clinton in 1999. R's muddied him up so much Gore told him to stay at home. All the while D' will be hard at work simultaneously muddying up all R candidates. You do that and you can easily get back 10 plus seats by 2020. But I dont think it happens. Easily could though if trump steps in it too much.

BTW, and who said anything about 2018? D's are some patient mofos and will be patient with this. heck mueller may not even be done with his investigation until 2020.

come on. are you pretending that impeachment is not the endgame here? That your only chance! lol :lol:

cuz you dont have a candidate that can beat him in 2020. No one. especially not with the economy on full throttle. No chance. impeachment is your only avenue. you know it. I know it. trump knows and thats we he is out there fighting for the alabama senate seat.

here's what i predict though.

1. R's will keep the majority in 2018. starting with moore next week by 12,000 votes.
2. Trump/bannon will even de-seat a few more establishment R's in 2018 and 2020
3. D's will go down in flames in about a month. with a ton of resignations coming forth. Wapo, waEx, NYT is all over about 3 dozen more sexual harrassment cases right now. this one is going to hurt both parties but D's more.
4. Franken will attempt to reneg on his resignation
5. trump will fire the IG and his IG appointee is going to clean fucckking house. :nod:

6. Which will then open the door to fire session and he will replace him with a fucckking piut bull from hell. guiliani or Christy.

trump is just now getting his bearing and figuring out how this game works.

7. I expect at least 3-4 major investigations into the multiple FBI members past and present and intelligence (mueller, comey, weissman, holder, to name a few) I think trump will go after that loud mothed clapper too who cant keep his trap shut, a full blown Uranium one Investigation, and a full blown DOJ investigation into Rice, Lynch, etc.
8. Between Guiliani and christy whichever is not IG will end up attorney general.

You libs ever seen Rudy guiliani with a hard on to get a guy? This mofo is relentless. and does it with a smile. he enjoys this ****.

thats you 2018 and 2019 right there.

oh and:
9. major global conflict will rally an even larger base around trump.
10. somelibs will finally wake up an understand that theyve been played. and come to the dark side. where a solid days pay after a solid days work and self respect is waiting for you. :nod:

No child left behind!

This aint your daddy's republican party.

stilldropin20 · Post #1257 » by **stilldropin20** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:41 am

Doug_Blew wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
so save your breath. we are not dumb. we know this is heading to impeachment. there was already a damn impeachment vote in the house yesterday for christs sakes!!!!!! all you need is 10 seats in the senate plus alabama. that gives 59 votes. plus those 7 rinos that want to be president themselves and you got your 66 votes. The actual establishment republicans fear trump/bannon. they knwo they trump/bannon are coming for their seats because they wont get the legislation done.

so yeah. get real. we know what you want.

hahaha! Just yesterday you ensured us that Trump was gong to win re-election in 2020 and that there was nothing we could do about it. Is Saturday your Xanax day?

impeachemnt is the lefts only road to victory. there is not a candidate around that can stand up to donald trump. who is now the sitting US president donald trump. fully embolden. fully brazen. fully armed. and finally knows how washington DC works.

and by then he'll have wrested full away full control of the DOJ: FBI, IG, and have made more friends on house n senate intel committees as well as have at least 4-5 more fully fall on their sword Bannon R's surrounding him and in the senate.

good luck debating that? He'll chew them alive.

xanax? that all you got? give something much harder for dealing with all this liberal lucacy.

Post #1258 » by **montestewart** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:54 am

stilldropin20 wrote:You libs ever seen Rudy guiliani with a hard on to get a guy?

I don't know if them libs have, but I have

Watch on YouTube

Pointgod · Post #1259 » by **Pointgod** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:55 am

SD20's posts should be used as a public service announcement to warn kids about what prolonged exposure to right wing news does to your brain :crazy:

cammac · Post #1260 » by **cammac** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:11 am

I tend to be a globalist and believe a world that improves the economy for everyone is much safer. Do most multinational global companies preform that absolutely not in most cases it have become the Walmart model find and exploit the workers abroad and at home to enriching the few. The new tax reforms are just another step in achieving that goal.

SD20 believes since I'm 70 and Canadian I'm sucking off the public trough while I back Canadian social services fortunately personally I don't require them. As most will remember I was away for a month in South Africa, Mozambique and Botswana while Canadian social benefits are good they aren't that good. Since coming back from China I've created 50 Canadian jobs and am in the works of creating a new company that I hope to double that. I also establish a small co-operative in South Africa with my friend and a friend of hers who is a fashion designer. It will help over 20 African women from the townships support themselves and children. Hopefully the co-operative will grow and many more people benefit.South Africa has many problems but it is still the best hope in Africa but getting people having productive jobs is a way to start.

SD20 claims that he is from a mixed background? Yet is a true Trumpite!!!! :noway:

“Diversity is not our strength,” the congressman wrote, linking to an article on a deeply dubious anti-immigration website called Voice of Europe, which quotes Hungary’s far-right prime minister, Viktor Orban, as saying that “mixing cultures will not lead to a higher quality of life but a lower one.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/steve-king-diversity-strength-white-supremacy_us_5a2afd21e4b073789f69bfbf

He also wants the election of Judge Roy Moore in Alabama who if he had a choice would string SD20 up for dating those playboy bunnies. :devil:

The following are some tax provisions which are different and mostly make sense!
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/radical-tax-systems_us_5a158ea2e4b025f8e932ceb8