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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1241 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:00 pm

It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1242 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:03 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.


Sounds good to me. The top few picks could be pretty strong though (Wade/Kawhi + an MVP).

On the same concept I forgot if we did one where the cumulative draft number has to total above a certain number. I guess it wouldn’t work cause you could just punt on a bench player picked in the 50s at the end. It would either have to be only applied to all-stars, or a very high minimum you have to reach like 240 (30 * 8).
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1243 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:23 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.


Sounds good to me. The top few picks could be pretty strong though (Wade/Kawhi + an MVP).

On the same concept I forgot if we did one where the cumulative draft number has to total above a certain number. I guess it wouldn’t work cause you could just punt on a bench player picked in the 50s at the end. It would either have to be only applied to all-stars, or a very high minimum you have to reach like 240 (30 * 8).

I considered that idea but moved away from it for the same reason.

I'm hoping the minimum of 20 combined with the one MVP rule would prevent the top picks from having a big advantage. Even with Wade or Kawhi, the most overpowered MVPs wouldn't be enough to make a legal pairing. We could also include Finals MVPs in the restriction.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1244 » by euroleague » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:35 pm

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Fadeaway_J wrote:It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.


Sounds good to me. The top few picks could be pretty strong though (Wade/Kawhi + an MVP).

On the same concept I forgot if we did one where the cumulative draft number has to total above a certain number. I guess it wouldn’t work cause you could just punt on a bench player picked in the 50s at the end. It would either have to be only applied to all-stars, or a very high minimum you have to reach like 240 (30 * 8).

I considered that idea but moved away from it for the same reason.

I'm hoping the minimum of 20 combined with the one MVP rule would prevent the top picks from having a big advantage. Even with Wade or Kawhi, the most overpowered MVPs wouldn't be enough to make a legal pairing. We could also include Finals MVPs in the restriction.

Sorry to jump the gun a bit on your pair draft. Just want to get another draft started, as the last one is basically run through and people seem active
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1245 » by Laimbeer » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:35 pm

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Fadeaway_J wrote:It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.


Sounds good to me. The top few picks could be pretty strong though (Wade/Kawhi + an MVP).

On the same concept I forgot if we did one where the cumulative draft number has to total above a certain number. I guess it wouldn’t work cause you could just punt on a bench player picked in the 50s at the end. It would either have to be only applied to all-stars, or a very high minimum you have to reach like 240 (30 * 8).

I considered that idea but moved away from it for the same reason.

I'm hoping the minimum of 20 combined with the one MVP rule would prevent the top picks from having a big advantage. Even with Wade or Kawhi, the most overpowered MVPs wouldn't be enough to make a legal pairing. We could also include Finals MVPs in the restriction.


Have we done a pairs game where last names had to match? Karl and Moses Malone, etc. Some players wouldn't be eligible, but it's probably good to thin the field and add a twist.

I don't see a pair that's too dominant. Picking the Malones over a James or Jordan pairing is debatable, I'd think. And they're an iffy fit to boot. Would see some new support/bench guys.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1246 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
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Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
Sounds good to me. The top few picks could be pretty strong though (Wade/Kawhi + an MVP).

On the same concept I forgot if we did one where the cumulative draft number has to total above a certain number. I guess it wouldn’t work cause you could just punt on a bench player picked in the 50s at the end. It would either have to be only applied to all-stars, or a very high minimum you have to reach like 240 (30 * 8).

I considered that idea but moved away from it for the same reason.

I'm hoping the minimum of 20 combined with the one MVP rule would prevent the top picks from having a big advantage. Even with Wade or Kawhi, the most overpowered MVPs wouldn't be enough to make a legal pairing. We could also include Finals MVPs in the restriction.


Have we done a pairs game where last names had to match? Karl and Moses Malone, etc. Some players wouldn't be eligible, but it's probably good to thin the field and add a twist.

I don't see a pair that's too dominant. Picking the Malones over a James or Jordan pairing is debatable, I'd think. And they're an iffy fit to boot. Would see some new support/bench guys.


I guess it might be ok since you can just take Jordan and a player like Deandre vs a combo like two Malones, as you said. But not sure how many pairings there really are. Maybe make it so you have the option to take a solo player or a pair instead of forcing them to.

Edit - Even with that change, I think most people would just draft solo players. First letter of last name matching may better than the full name.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1247 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
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Fadeaway_J wrote:I considered that idea but moved away from it for the same reason.

I'm hoping the minimum of 20 combined with the one MVP rule would prevent the top picks from having a big advantage. Even with Wade or Kawhi, the most overpowered MVPs wouldn't be enough to make a legal pairing. We could also include Finals MVPs in the restriction.


Have we done a pairs game where last names had to match? Karl and Moses Malone, etc. Some players wouldn't be eligible, but it's probably good to thin the field and add a twist.

I don't see a pair that's too dominant. Picking the Malones over a James or Jordan pairing is debatable, I'd think. And they're an iffy fit to boot. Would see some new support/bench guys.


I guess it might be ok since you can just take Jordan and a player like Deandre vs a combo like two Malones, as you said. But not sure how many pairings there really are. Maybe make it so you have the option to take a solo player or a pair instead of forcing them to.

Edit - Even with that change, I think most people would just draft solo players. First letter of last name matching may better than the full name.

You could also use first names for matching purposes, e.g. Chris Paul and Paul George
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1248 » by Laimbeer » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:30 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
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Have we done a pairs game where last names had to match? Karl and Moses Malone, etc. Some players wouldn't be eligible, but it's probably good to thin the field and add a twist.

I don't see a pair that's too dominant. Picking the Malones over a James or Jordan pairing is debatable, I'd think. And they're an iffy fit to boot. Would see some new support/bench guys.


I guess it might be ok since you can just take Jordan and a player like Deandre vs a combo like two Malones, as you said. But not sure how many pairings there really are. Maybe make it so you have the option to take a solo player or a pair instead of forcing them to.

Edit - Even with that change, I think most people would just draft solo players. First letter of last name matching may better than the full name.

You could also use first names for matching purposes, e.g. Chris Paul and Paul George


Pretty sure there are enough matches, though I could dig deeper. I'm afraid loosening it to something like first letter or letting people use solos would really weaken the spirit of it.

Could we toss the FGA limit maybe? Teams won't be too stacked either way and gives some breathing room. Might see some good players who don't normally justify their FGAs pop up.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1249 » by wackbone » Wed Apr 1, 2020 8:17 pm

What if we were to use how many draft games a player has won as their value? So we could say each participant has a budget of let's say 25 wins. So when drafting you would basically be forced to use players who don't often get used? I would be open to various timeframes, and open to whether or not we would also want to still have a FGA limit. With this kind of draft, lots of players, both elite and scrubs, wouldn't be nearly as valuable as usual. Would make for a nice change of pace. You'd be more likely to draft a guy like Gilbert Arenas, for example. Could be interesting.

Edit - Also adaptable to how many wins would be the budget. Would get really interesting if we made the budget something like 10. You would really have to dig deep.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1250 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Apr 2, 2020 4:59 am

wackbone wrote:What if we were to use how many draft games a player has won as their value? So we could say each participant has a budget of let's say 25 wins. So when drafting you would basically be forced to use players who don't often get used? I would be open to various timeframes, and open to whether or not we would also want to still have a FGA limit. With this kind of draft, lots of players, both elite and scrubs, wouldn't be nearly as valuable as usual. Would make for a nice change of pace. You'd be more likely to draft a guy like Gilbert Arenas, for example. Could be interesting.

Edit - Also adaptable to how many wins would be the budget. Would get really interesting if we made the budget something like 10. You would really have to dig deep.


I'd be interested
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1251 » by Gremz » Thu Apr 2, 2020 6:17 am

I'll dust off the old rust for next game.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1252 » by Laimbeer » Sat Apr 4, 2020 12:58 pm

wackbone wrote:What if we were to use how many draft games a player has won as their value? So we could say each participant has a budget of let's say 25 wins. So when drafting you would basically be forced to use players who don't often get used? I would be open to various timeframes, and open to whether or not we would also want to still have a FGA limit. With this kind of draft, lots of players, both elite and scrubs, wouldn't be nearly as valuable as usual. Would make for a nice change of pace. You'd be more likely to draft a guy like Gilbert Arenas, for example. Could be interesting.

Edit - Also adaptable to how many wins would be the budget. Would get really interesting if we made the budget something like 10. You would really have to dig deep.


I'd be pretty stringent on the budget.

A twist - could we come up with a multiplier? One tenth additional for each title won? So if Hakeem had won 8 his multiplier would be 1.8? Maybe increase FGAs a bit.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1253 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Apr 4, 2020 3:38 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.


Starting this next?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1254 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Apr 4, 2020 3:45 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.


Starting this next?

I can. Should we wait for euro's game to get further along?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1255 » by Laimbeer » Sun Apr 5, 2020 2:26 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:It's been a while since we did a pairs draft.

How about one where each player is assigned a number corresponding with their draft position, and the pair has to combine for a minimum of 20? So for example, if I take Kobe Bryant (13th pick), he has to be paired with someone picked 7th or lower. One MVP rule would apply as usual.


Starting this next?

I can. Should we wait for euro's game to get further along?


I think now is fine to start a sign up. We're in the semis.

Is 20 stringent enough? Maybe 30? Shouldn't taking someone near the top push their teammate lower than the later first round?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1256 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Apr 5, 2020 2:53 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
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Starting this next?

I can. Should we wait for euro's game to get further along?


I think now is fine to start a sign up. We're in the semis.

Is 20 stringent enough? Maybe 30? Shouldn't taking someone near the top push their teammate lower than the later first round?

My only concern there is it could get annoying when you're not pairing MVP types - like, do you really want to be scrounging around for a player picked 22nd or later so you can draft someone like Schrempf?

I might make it 30 for pairs including All-NBA First Teamers and 20 for everyone else.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1257 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 8, 2020 4:49 am

Have we done a pairs draft where the players have to combine for under a certain FGA?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1258 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Apr 8, 2020 11:08 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Have we done a pairs draft where the players have to combine for under a certain FGA?

Wasn't strictly pairs but:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=340&t=1883283&p=78161034&hilit=fgas+per+round#p78161034
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1259 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 8, 2020 11:12 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Have we done a pairs draft where the players have to combine for under a certain FGA?

Wasn't strictly pairs but:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=340&t=1883283&p=78161034&hilit=fgas+per+round#p78161034


Forcing pairs would make it quite a bit different
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1260 » by wackbone » Wed Apr 8, 2020 11:30 pm

What about a draft wherein every one of your picks has to have under 45 FG% in the chosen season? Years are flexible. Would drastically change the draft pool. Could be called the Inefficient Draft haha.

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