Random Rumor and General Offseason Discussion Thread

[drosestruts]

Who will sign DeMarcus Cousins? I say Celtics, Lakers (with or without Kawhi) or Rockets

I'm hoping Miami somehow gets involved for him.

[SD2042]

Good luck to the Jazz. Green's inconsistencies will get on their nerves sooner or later.

Can you be more specific?

If you're just talking about shooting, it's no big thing. Crowder actually played the starter minutes at PF last year and it wasn't out of the ordinary for him to have the most 3 point attempts in a game. Nothing more frustrating than Crowder shoot 10 threes while Ingles only put up 3 or 4.

No way in hell Snyder allows Green to do what Jae was doing last year. I expect him to play a role that limits his shooting.

Green's offense has been an issue due to his inconsistencies. Regardless of what team he has played for, teams would feel compelled to utilize him as a third or fourth option on offense. Being such an up and down player, he will disappoint everytime.

Just limit him touches and the Jazz will be better for it in the long run. Trust me.

[daoneandonly]

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Another good signing at a great price. I hope he does well!

Same here, I just hope Dallas signs a better fitting PF who cna rebound and do the dirty work next to KP, someone like JaMychal Green.

[Kilo]

JaMychel Green or Mook Morris makes sense in Dallas, along with Danny Green.

[Mojo Amok]

Good luck to the Jazz. Green's inconsistencies will get on their nerves sooner or later.

Can you be more specific?

If you're just talking about shooting, it's no big thing. Crowder actually played the starter minutes at PF last year and it wasn't out of the ordinary for him to have the most 3 point attempts in a game. Nothing more frustrating than Crowder shoot 10 threes while Ingles only put up 3 or 4.

No way in hell Snyder allows Green to do what Jae was doing last year. I expect him to play a role that limits his shooting.

Green was actually really solid offensively in Washington last year. He was extremely patient and involved in a lot of our prettiest plays of the year in some capacity or another both in the halfcourt and on the break. Once Oubre and Markief were gone, Ariza and Green just settled the whole offense. There was a good stretch there towards the end of the season where the offensive rating was at about 113 a game, which is generally top 10 in any given year. Green was a big part of that.

Not a great defender or rebounder by any means (fit right in), but I don't think he's going to get on your nerves if he plays like he did last year. ORTG of 115 and a TS% of .608 with more than his share of good decisions and hockey assists doesn't usually trigger anyone. You've got Gobert to cover up the bad.

His last two years have been his most efficient and it seems based on an evolution to his approach and decision making more than anything. Not a fluke, IMO - he should be able to do it again.

[loserX]

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[kobe_vs_jordan]

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Sheesh, thought he was vet min bound . NO could use him an expiring at least.

[MadNESS]

A lot of big money going around for bums

Interesting

[Smirk]

He can really shoot.

The 2nd year non-guarantee and alleged structure of the deal screams "we will be using this as trade ballast later".

[MoneyTalks41890]

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Sheesh, thought he was vet min bound . NO could use him an expiring at least.

I'm guessing salary ballast but wow

[SD2042]

Good luck to the Jazz. Green's inconsistencies will get on their nerves sooner or later.

Can you be more specific?

If you're just talking about shooting, it's no big thing. Crowder actually played the starter minutes at PF last year and it wasn't out of the ordinary for him to have the most 3 point attempts in a game. Nothing more frustrating than Crowder shoot 10 threes while Ingles only put up 3 or 4.

No way in hell Snyder allows Green to do what Jae was doing last year. I expect him to play a role that limits his shooting.

Green was actually really solid offensively in Washington last year. He was extremely patient and involved in a lot of our prettiest plays of the year in some capacity or another both in the halfcourt and on the break. Once Oubre and Markief were gone, Ariza and Green just settled the whole offense. There was a good stretch there towards the end of the season where the offensive rating was at about 113 a game, which is generally top 10 in any given year. Green was a big part of that.

Not a great defender or rebounder by any means (fit right in), but I don't think he's going to get on your nerves if he plays like he did last year. ORTG of 115 and a TS% of .608 with more than his share of good decisions and hockey assists doesn't usually trigger anyone. You've got Gobert to cover up the bad.

His last two years have been his most efficient and it seems based on an evolution to his approach and decision making more than anything. Not a fluke, IMO - he should be able to do it again.

Sounds good for the Wizards. Maybe getting bounce around in his last few years( Thunder, Celtics, Grizzlies, and Magic) due to his inconsistencies has made him take a long look at how he needed to change his approach to the game to be more reliable once he became a Wizard. Hopefully he will continue this swing for the Jazz. Good luck either way.

[pelifan]

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With what cap space and roster spot?

With a UNG 2nd year though, and assuming there is no opportunity cost and he was signed using bird rights whatever. I'm on board.

[Smirk]

We have his early bird rights. Can go over the cap to sign him but must be a two year deal, hence the 2nd year being completely un-gtd.

Its a salary ballast move to pair with Moore at the trade deadline.

[Eskobar13]

I love the Miller signing. Only one year gtd and it's not like the Pels were doing much else with the money. Plus as others have mentioned he's know a very good contract to use as a filler in a future trade.

Also hadn't seen DFS signing yesterday. Another great deal by the Mavs who I think low-key crushed this off-season so far.

[pelifan]

We have his early bird rights. Can go over the cap to sign him but must be a two year deal, hence the 2nd year being completely un-gtd.

Its a salary ballast move to pair with Moore at the trade deadline.

Yea it makes some sense the more I think about it. but none of the 15 players on the roster are ones I'd want to cut. Think a trade might already be done

[daoneandonly]

I love the Miller signing. Only one year gtd and it's not like the Pels were doing much else with the money. Plus as others have mentioned he's know a very good contract to use as a filler in a future trade.

Also hadn't seen DFS signing yesterday. Another great deal by the Mavs who I think low-key crushed this off-season so far.

Interesting, would you mind sharing your take on why? A lot of mavs fans are highly disappointed. I do like the DFS and Curry signings, but thought we should have only brought back 1 of Powell and Kleber. And not addressing the wing spot or a big man who can rebound is frustrating.

[Eskobar13]

I love the Miller signing. Only one year gtd and it's not like the Pels were doing much else with the money. Plus as others have mentioned he's know a very good contract to use as a filler in a future trade.

Also hadn't seen DFS signing yesterday. Another great deal by the Mavs who I think low-key crushed this off-season so far.

Interesting, would you mind sharing your take on why? A lot of mavs fans are highly disappointed. I do like the DFS and Curry signings, but thought we should have only brought back 1 of Powell and Kleber. And not addressing the wing spot or a big man who can rebound is frustrating.

I think it's clear they're all in on Luka + KP + 2021 FA. In that sense, managing to not compromise your 2021 cap was one of the priorities and they've done just so.

Another important thing: they got a lot of value signings. Apart from Powell, there's not one deal that wasn't either mkt value or below, which should give them flexibility going forward do they choose to make moves. I know signing Curry is not super glamorous when you already have Brunson, Luka and Barea, but these are all positive deals and you can probably use them for better-fitting assets moving forward.

I know they still need to address the center position, but they still have some options for that and can eventually do a trade as well.

In sum, they didn't do any bad moves (depending on your evaluation of Powell), stuck to their long-term goal while also improving the team in the short-term. Apart from maybe a deal for Randle, I don't think there was anything much more exciting that they could have done.

Not the most sexy off-season so I maybe exaggerated a bit - but I'd be very happy as a Mavs fan right now.

Spoiler:

Now at +10 on/off for the season and if you're watching you know it isn't a fluke!

How much he gets could really be the difference for the possibility of the Mavs adding another max player before Luka finishes his rookie-scale deal.

I had him and DFS pegged for around 15-20M/year for 3/4 seasons, but now I'm starting to feel it may end up being 20-25M... specially Kleber I feel like will get more than 10/year for sure. What do you guys think?

yeah I think this is why Dallas was so anxious to move Barnes and take the cap space this summer instead of waiting until 2020. If they can get Kleber and DFS to agree to deals but let the Mavs use their cap space first taking advantage of their small cap holds.

I'd be surprised if Dallas can hold the two guys to a combined $25M at this point. DFS now shoots well enough that he's not an offensive liability and he offers a lot of defensive flexibility with his ability to guard 1-4 and with the switching schemes so popular now and Kleber is exactly what teams want in a modern big with rim protection, mobility, and the ability to space the floor.

I think they are going to get expensive, but Dallas really can't afford to let either guy go.

to me the perfect summer is to sign a 2nd tier free agent using the cap space, ink new deals with DFS and Kleber, trade the expiring contracts of Lee and Powell for an expensive player signed for 2 or 3 seasons(expires before Luka gets a new deal) that a team wants to dump, and KP gets locked up long-term. Just get really expensive really fast, but have a top 8 the team really likes, hope Barea can come back at some point during the year and attract some min free agents excited to come play with Luka and co.

Ended up with a bargain on these deals, Chuck!

[Mojo Amok]

Can you be more specific?

If you're just talking about shooting, it's no big thing. Crowder actually played the starter minutes at PF last year and it wasn't out of the ordinary for him to have the most 3 point attempts in a game. Nothing more frustrating than Crowder shoot 10 threes while Ingles only put up 3 or 4.

No way in hell Snyder allows Green to do what Jae was doing last year. I expect him to play a role that limits his shooting.

Green was actually really solid offensively in Washington last year. He was extremely patient and involved in a lot of our prettiest plays of the year in some capacity or another both in the halfcourt and on the break. Once Oubre and Markief were gone, Ariza and Green just settled the whole offense. There was a good stretch there towards the end of the season where the offensive rating was at about 113 a game, which is generally top 10 in any given year. Green was a big part of that.

Not a great defender or rebounder by any means (fit right in), but I don't think he's going to get on your nerves if he plays like he did last year. ORTG of 115 and a TS% of .608 with more than his share of good decisions and hockey assists doesn't usually trigger anyone. You've got Gobert to cover up the bad.

His last two years have been his most efficient and it seems based on an evolution to his approach and decision making more than anything. Not a fluke, IMO - he should be able to do it again.

Sounds good for the Wizards. Maybe getting bounce around in his last few years( Thunder, Celtics, Grizzlies, and Magic) due to his inconsistencies has made him take a long look at how he needed to change his approach to the game to be more reliable once he became a Wizard. Hopefully he will continue this swing for the Jazz. Good luck either way.

Yeah, looking at the numbers I can clearly see how he would have been frustrating during that Orlando run and the previous years.

It's pretty unusual for a guy to make those sorts of upticks in efficiency late in his career, so it could have been the bouncing around and then maybe combined with playing for a title with LeBron on a really efficient offensive team.

The Jazz should indeed be really fun to watch next year and have a shot to come out of the west - the offensive struggles in that Rockets series should be a thing of the past.

[Eskobar13]

I love the Miller signing. Only one year gtd and it's not like the Pels were doing much else with the money. Plus as others have mentioned he's know a very good contract to use as a filler in a future trade.

Also hadn't seen DFS signing yesterday. Another great deal by the Mavs who I think low-key crushed this off-season so far.

Interesting, would you mind sharing your take on why? A lot of mavs fans are highly disappointed. I do like the DFS and Curry signings, but thought we should have only brought back 1 of Powell and Kleber. And not addressing the wing spot or a big man who can rebound is frustrating.

Another good signing at the price they paid just now in Boban. Not the most mobile guy but they already have Zinger and Kleber to cover that. Heck even Powell. Should provide them some great minutes in spurts and I bet Carlisle gets the most out of him.

[Texas Chuck]

but thought we should have only brought back 1 of Powell and Kleber.

I mean I could do without Powell as well, but to his credit he's been a big part of a 2nd unit that has just dominated. But he and Maxi have really different games, play different positions and have different roles.

Maxi is pretty much the analog of the modern big---he's mobile and can switch the PNR, he can protect the rim, and offensively he shoots just well enough to provide some spacing as well and he can also provide the vertical threat that Powell does so well.

Letting Maxi go would have really hurt. Powell much more of a luxury, but the team has loved him since he arrived with Rondo. So no surprise he got an extension.