MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[TheBonzaiEffect]

so far my top 5 are like this.

Giannis
Harden

Luka/Lebron (interchangeable)
AD

I think many are sleeping the fantastic AD defense and how much he helps the Lakers many times even more than lebron.

I dont think Luka should be touching Giannis and Harden as one is the craziest offensive machine since Jordan and other at the moment is probably the best two way player in the league but he will be in the conversation for yeas to come.

Many Euros called his greatness now all its left for him is to improve defensively and its done.

Luka leads the NBA in WS/48, OBPM, BPM, and VORP. Have no problem with Giannis over him, but don't get the Harden argument.

[VanWest82]

Kawhi isn't going to get consideration and probably shouldn't get consideration but it's worth mentioning that the NBA is shooting only 33% against him on almost 12 shots per game this year with a FG% differential of -13.2 below season average. Yikes!! Kawhi's regular season defense is pretty overrated at this point but dudes appear to be crapping their pants whenever he's the closest defender on their shot.

[Magic Giannison]

so far my top 5 are like this.

Giannis
Harden

Luka/Lebron (interchangeable)
AD

I think many are sleeping the fantastic AD defense and how much he helps the Lakers many times even more than lebron.

I dont think Luka should be touching Giannis and Harden as one is the craziest offensive machine since Jordan and other at the moment is probably the best two way player in the league but he will be in the conversation for yeas to come.

Many Euros called his greatness now all its left for him is to improve defensively and its done.

Luka leads the NBA in WS/48, OBPM, BPM, and VORP. Have no problem with Giannis over him, but don't get the Harden argument.

Better offense in the volume i guess? At this point is had to pinpoint many differences between them as both excel at offensive game while being ok on defense with fantastic facilitation .

[duppyy]

Add Melo to the Poll

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[clyde21]

PIE? the only guy i can see dominate in that stat is jokic

stop fat shaming my boy Jokic

[nikster]

Siakam doesn't deserve any #1 votes yet, but he is pretty clearly at least a top 5 MVP candidate.

Siakam's averaging 25.6 PPG/8.4 REB/4.0 AST on 57 TS% with a +13.5 NetRTG (5th in the league). The games where teammates have outscored him - not like that matters anyway - are generally games where he is still the best player on Toronto because of everything he has been doing on the floor. He's had two bad games this year (@MIL and @DAL) and a really off offensive night (4/22 @ORL the other night), but he has been having a massive impact all year and has also put up 8 30+ point games already. Toronto is 15-4 largely because of their defence and Siakam.

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Luka/Giannis/Lebron/Harden are clearly ahead. he is "at least top 5" is an exaggeration, he is at best top 5

You're seriously going to make a deal out of "at least top 5" compared to "at best top 5"? Maybe I should have said "at least top 6" and that would have been perfectly fine lol.

NBA.com had Siakam at #6 on the MVP ladder a few days ago (4/22 game against ORL but did everything else and the 35/5/5 game last night) while Kemba (12/37 with 33 PTS and a Celtics loss) was unreservedly #3. Below Siakam was Jokic, Kawhi, AD and KAT. The only debatable player from that bunch is AD. Siakam has clearly been better than Jokic and Kawhi, and KAT has barely been a net positive despite high efficiency and big box score numbers.

its a pretty big distinction imo. Top 5 player as his floor vs ceiling. Hes possibly top 5 now, but a tough stretch or great stretch from other teams and I can see him just inside or even missing top 10 by the end of the season.

[nikster]

so far my top 5 are like this.

Giannis
Harden

Luka/Lebron (interchangeable)
AD

I think many are sleeping the fantastic AD defense and how much he helps the Lakers many times even more than lebron.

I dont think Luka should be touching Giannis and Harden as one is the craziest offensive machine since Jordan and other at the moment is probably the best two way player in the league but he will be in the conversation for yeas to come.

Many Euros called his greatness now all its left for him is to improve defensively and its done.

Luka leads the NBA in WS/48, OBPM, BPM, and VORP. Have no problem with Giannis over him, but don't get the Harden argument.

Better offense in the volume i guess? At this point is had to pinpoint many differences between them as both excel at offensive game while being ok on defense with fantastic facilitation .

I think the key thing with Luka is how good he has made the Mavs offense. THey are not that talented (maybe more offensive talent than Houston) but Mavs have the best offensive rating in the league by a huge margin and its even larger when Luka is on the court

[Magic Giannison]

Luka leads the NBA in WS/48, OBPM, BPM, and VORP. Have no problem with Giannis over him, but don't get the Harden argument.

Better offense in the volume i guess? At this point is had to pinpoint many differences between them as both excel at offensive game while being ok on defense with fantastic facilitation .

I think the key thing with Luka is how good he has made the Mavs offense. THey are not that talented (maybe more offensive talent than Houston) but Mavs have the best offensive rating in the league by a huge margin and its even larger when Luka is on the court

See we are reaching the point where i haven't seen Houston enough to compared their talent to Dallas especially Westbook isn't playing.
Luka seems to ignite the engine of the team while harden is the bullet that pierces through heavens and doesn't stop ( i apologize for the weird analogy) Its like Unmovable object meets the unstoppable force so i guess they are very close in that aspect.

Its all about how you take that and put Harden scoring 38 into perspective, it definitely creates a narrative even tho Luka is going nuts at 20. It feels like whoever you choose there isnt a wrong answer for now

[reignfire]

Lebron, Luka, Giannis, Harden are the 4 clear ones right now. Siakim is a hard horse.

[BloodNinja]

Giannis after 3 quarters: 22 mins, 29 points, 15 reb, 3-4 3pnt. This will be his 7th game of the season playing under 30 mins.

[RB34]

Giannis after 3 quarters: 22 mins, 29 points, 15 reb, 3-4 3pnt. This will be his 7th game of the season playing under 30 mins.

He’s a bad bad man!

[clyde21]

Giannis after 3 quarters: 22 mins, 29 points, 15 reb, 3-4 3pnt. This will be his 7th game of the season playing under 30 mins.

He’s a bad bad man!

but Anthony Davis

[TheBallsDeeper]

so far my top 5 are like this.

Giannis
Harden

Luka/Lebron (interchangeable)
AD

I think many are sleeping the fantastic AD defense and how much he helps the Lakers many times even more than lebron.

I dont think Luka should be touching Giannis and Harden as one is the craziest offensive machine since Jordan and other at the moment is probably the best two way player in the league but he will be in the conversation for yeas to come.

Many Euros called his greatness now all its left for him is to improve defensively and its done.

Luka leads the NBA in WS/48, OBPM, BPM, and VORP. Have no problem with Giannis over him, but don't get the Harden argument.

Box scores - most people don't watch the games, just check the total points. So Harden is the best player.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think it was Dennis Scott that said Giannis is Skinny Shaq in the paint, it's true, he's just a monster.

[LukaV]

For me it's still Giannis by a mile. Not to discount what everyone else has been doing, but he's been by far the best if you take into account both ends of the floor, strength of teammates etc.

[Edrees]

I'd say Giannis by a landslide for the new vote. Then Luka and Lebron trailing behind

[AussieBuck]

I think it was Dennis Scott that said Giannis is Skinny Shaq in the paint, it's true, he's just a monster.

relative to Shaq I guess, doesn't look that much different to young David Robinson to me. Is stronger than he looks too possibly because he's just so **** long. Pushes some seriously huge dudes around.

[Wolfgang630]

Giannis is clearly the front runner for MVP candidate. He’s just too good. He’s just too dominate.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Robinson was a lot more finesse based than Giannis is, how aggressive Giannis is in the paint is very Shaq like. If Magic Shaq had a handle it would look like what Giannis is doing today.

I think it was Dennis Scott that said Giannis is Skinny Shaq in the paint, it's true, he's just a monster.

relative to Shaq I guess, doesn't look that much different to young David Robinson to me. Is stronger than he looks too possibly because he's just so **** long. Pushes some seriously huge dudes around.

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[KGtabake]

Luka>Harden as a player and i don't have to wait for anything else to happen in order to decide.
I leave aside the fact that he is actually a joy to watch and i just watch the mavs and imagine how they would look like without him.
Houston had CP and now they have westbrook. They would have been a PO team regardless. Mavs no way.
I can't imagine Luka in 6-7 years. Potential to become the GOAT. Harden was never close to that ceiling.