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Trade Talk (Part Four)

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1241 » by KGdaBom » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:22 pm

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old school 34 wrote:I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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I could swear I replied to this already, but if I did it's gone. Washington is a full sized SF that can shoot 3s and defend. As for Doumbouya I just don't see it. He showed nothing his rookie year that I saw as encouraging. I think he's a wing and a prayer. Hoping he will turn into something he's not. So Doumbouya in deal almost irrelevant to me. Washington in deal very relevant. Obviously some people think Doumbouya has great potential.
I feel both guys had about what I expected for rookie years just by looking @ stats which could be misleading of course? I leaned more Sekou in past because of the higher upside, length, and athleticism....but not as ready as PJ for sure.

Would your opinion change on PJ if he's a 4 in our system instead? I know your preference is to play bigger than what wolves have done under Rosas...while I'd like to have a bigger 3 as well...my concern would be that PJ could play the 3 for us defensively. Not that he may not guard some 3s, but if our starting backcourt is DLo & Beasley....our 3 in most ideal situation guards the best or at minimum 2nd of the 1 thru 3 spots...from what I remember more from his college days tells me he could guard those types consistently?

Not deal breaker...but with current starters...seems like 4 is better fit?

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We can call him a 3 or 4 it doesn't really change his skills.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1242 » by KGdaBom » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:26 pm

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old school 34 wrote:I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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I could swear I replied to this already, but if I did it's gone. Washington is a full sized SF that can shoot 3s and defend. As for Doumbouya I just don't see it. He showed nothing his rookie year that I saw as encouraging. I think he's a wing and a prayer. Hoping he will turn into something he's not. So Doumbouya in deal almost irrelevant to me. Washington in deal very relevant. Obviously some people think Doumbouya has great potential.


The thing about the PJ Washington deal is that if you make that deal, you could still make a deal for Doumbouya if you wanted. Charlotte is most likely moving up to get Wiseman from GS. GS isn't taking Ball. He's available for Minnesota to trade down again. If you trade all the way down to seven, you probably can't trade down again. In the three-person draft, trading from 1-3 has serious advantages beyond PJ.

Yeah it would be so cool to do a multiple trade down with the greatest benefit being resisting temptation to draft Ball. The average fan would look at it like Rosas is Spielman and complain about it saying we should have drafted Ball.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1243 » by Neeva » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:26 pm

A couple of trades involving the Nets pick.

17 and Okogie for 8 and DSJ
Knicks unload dsj while picking up Thib’s guy Okogie and take a flyer on Pokusevski at 17 while the Wolves move up for one of Haliburton, Hayes, Toppin or Vassell.

17 and culver for 10 and Oubre?? Oubre should help more than Culver next season and he is a good friend of Booker. Acquiring him should make Booker less happy in Phoenix and more likely to be want to join KAT, DLO and Oubre.Phoenix chooses Anthony who they might have selected at 10. Wolves get whoever is left between Haliburton, Toppin or Vassell at 10.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1244 » by KGdaBom » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:44 pm

Neeva wrote:A couple of trades involving the Nets pick.

17 and Okogie for 8 and DSJ
Knicks unload dsj while picking up Thib’s guy Okogie and take a flyer on Pokusevski at 17 while the Wolves move up for one of Haliburton, Hayes, Toppin or Vassell.

17 and culver for 10 and Oubre?? Oubre should help more than Culver next season and he is a good friend of Booker. Acquiring him should make Booker less happy in Phoenix and more likely to be want to join KAT, DLO and Oubre.Phoenix chooses Anthony who they might have selected at 10. Wolves get whoever is left between Haliburton, Toppin or Vassell at 10.

Oubre is GOOD. I know there are contractual considerations, but would they really give the better player and the better pick?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1245 » by Wolveswin » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:42 am

I saw this one on a website. Didn’t sit well with me at face value, but once it marinated a bit, I am warming to idea...

Kings
Fox + Barnes

Wolves
#1 Overall + Culver + Johnson + Spellman

Website was saying Kings may be motivated with new GM and staff to put their stamp on new team and be out with Vlade roster. And no better way to do that than #1 overall plus tank harder in 2021 (suggested they could trade Buddy Hield too).

For Wolves, Fox is a guard and questionable fit with Russell at SG. But if Rosas is truly debating Edwards or Ball at #1, Fox is “safer” and ready to win-now with Towns.

Towns
Hernangomez
Barnes (plenty of minutes at PF too)
Russell
Fox
Beasley becomes 6th man. And assume they draft a forward with #17.

Barnes is a big contract, but declining and expiring before Russell needs new contract. He also is a vet forward with playoff experience.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1246 » by Neeva » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:07 am

I don’t want Barnes on this team i would only do culver/1 for Fox/12.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1247 » by Catchall » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:07 am

Do you guys have any interest in Wendell Carter Jr. and #4 from Chicago in return for #1 and #17 this year?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1248 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:10 am

Catchall wrote:Do you guys have any interest in Wendell Carter Jr. and #4 from Chicago in return for #1 and #17 this year?

Carter and 4 for #1 overall would require the Bulls throwing in the extra asset. Not getting pick 17 from the Wolves.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1249 » by Neeva » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:10 am

Catchall wrote:Do you guys have any interest in Wendell Carter Jr. and #4 from Chicago in return for #1 and #17 this year?



No offense but I dont think Carter jr has this kind of value at all. players like him aren’t valuable in the league right now and especially for the wolves who have Kat and don’t need another undersized and average center.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1250 » by shangrila » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:19 am

Wolveswin wrote:I saw this one on a website. Didn’t sit well with me at face value, but once it marinated a bit, I am warming to idea...

Kings
Fox + Barnes

Wolves
#1 Overall + Culver + Johnson + Spellman

Website was saying Kings may be motivated with new GM and staff to put their stamp on new team and be out with Vlade roster. And no better way to do that than #1 overall plus tank harder in 2021 (suggested they could trade Buddy Hield too).

For Wolves, Fox is a guard and questionable fit with Russell at SG. But if Rosas is truly debating Edwards or Ball at #1, Fox is “safer” and ready to win-now with Towns.

Towns
Hernangomez
Barnes (plenty of minutes at PF too)
Russell
Fox
Beasley becomes 6th man. And assume they draft a forward with #17.

Barnes is a big contract, but declining and expiring before Russell needs new contract. He also is a vet forward with playoff experience.

You take that deal and run. No way the Kings do it.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1251 » by Mattya » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:46 am

Catchall wrote:Do you guys have any interest in Wendell Carter Jr. and #4 from Chicago in return for #1 and #17 this year?


I wouldn’t do that trade without 17.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1252 » by shrink » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:32 am

Catchall wrote:Do you guys have any interest in Wendell Carter Jr. and #4 from Chicago in return for #1 and #17 this year?

Maybe a three way, spinning WCJ to GSW, where he’s a better fit?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1253 » by minimus » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:33 am

minimus wrote:MIN #1 pick, Evans, Spellman for ATL #6, De'Andre Hunter.

Why for MIN: get 3&D prospect, unload bad contracts AND reduce the risk of ATL making an offer sheet to Malik Beasley who also has an Atlanta connection

Why for ATL: get hometown kid who plays the position of need (SG)


The more I think about the draft, the more I believe that this might be the best framework for offseason, if we don't get Simmons. I am not impressed with Wiseman, Edwards nor Ball potential/skillset/fit/IQ. Re-sign Malik, draft BPA at 6, it might be that Hayes or Wiseman will fall to us at 6, which would absolutely a huge win. At might be Avija, Okongwu.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1254 » by minimus » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:14 am

How about a trade with a calculated risk, gambling on SAC failing hard next season in the Pacific division fighting against LAL, LAC, PHO, GSW?

Trade 1: MIN #1 pick, Evans, Spellman for ATL #6, De'Andre Hunter.
Trade 2: JJ, #6, #17 for Harrison Barnes, #12, SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected).

Why for MIN: Barnes is a big wing, who has experience. His contract for next three year is 22, 20, and 18 mil. Which is still a massive overpay. But it is kind of scenario where we trade for a bad contract and an additional asset. SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected) might be a very valuable asset.

Why for SAC: get rid of Barnes contract, get a chance to draft a star at 6 this year.

Draft Maxey, Tillie. Bring back JMac, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Barnes/Layman/Vanderbilt
Hunter/Culver/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
DLo/Maxey/JMac

+ SAC 2021 FRP

Next season we need to continue with the development of our young players, so Barnes contract can be used in a package for another trade. Let say Culver, Okogie, Nowell will improve significantly. All of the sudden, a package with Barnes + Culver(Okogie/Nowell) + SAC 2021 FRP, might net us a star.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1255 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:33 am

minimus wrote:How about a trade with a calculated risk, gambling on SAC failing hard next season in the Pacific division fighting against LAL, LAC, PHO, GSW?

Trade 1: MIN #1 pick, Evans, Spellman for ATL #6, De'Andre Hunter.
Trade 2: JJ, #6, #17 for Harrison Barnes, #12, SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected).

Why for MIN: Barnes is a big wing, who has experience. His contract for next three year is 22, 20, and 18 mil. Which is still a massive overpay. But it is kind of scenario where we trade for a bad contract and an additional asset. SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected) might be a very valuable asset.

Why for SAC: get rid of Barnes contract, get a chance to draft a star at 6 this year.

Draft Maxey, Tillie. Bring back JMac, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Barnes/Layman/Vanderbilt
Hunter/Culver/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
DLo/Maxey/JMac

+ SAC 2021 FRP

Next season we need to continue with the development of our young players, so Barnes contract can be used in a package for another trade. Let say Culver, Okogie, Nowell will improve significantly. All of the sudden, a package with Barnes + Culver(Okogie/Nowell) + SAC 2021 FRP, might net us a star.

We give up #1 and 17 for the negative impact of Barnes, the #12 pick in this years draft and at the absolute best the #6 pick in next years draft that could easily be much worse. If the pick was 100% unprotected we could gamble on them failing hard. With top 5 protection the payoff isn't very much for that big gamble.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1256 » by jayu70 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:32 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:How about a trade with a calculated risk, gambling on SAC failing hard next season in the Pacific division fighting against LAL, LAC, PHO, GSW?

Trade 1: MIN #1 pick, Evans, Spellman for ATL #6, De'Andre Hunter.
Trade 2: JJ, #6, #17 for Harrison Barnes, #12, SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected).

Why for MIN: Barnes is a big wing, who has experience. His contract for next three year is 22, 20, and 18 mil. Which is still a massive overpay. But it is kind of scenario where we trade for a bad contract and an additional asset. SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected) might be a very valuable asset.

Why for SAC: get rid of Barnes contract, get a chance to draft a star at 6 this year.

Draft Maxey, Tillie. Bring back JMac, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Barnes/Layman/Vanderbilt
Hunter/Culver/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
DLo/Maxey/JMac

+ SAC 2021 FRP

Next season we need to continue with the development of our young players, so Barnes contract can be used in a package for another trade. Let say Culver, Okogie, Nowell will improve significantly. All of the sudden, a package with Barnes + Culver(Okogie/Nowell) + SAC 2021 FRP, might net us a star.

We give up #1 and 17 for the negative impact of Barnes, the #12 pick in this years draft and at the absolute best the #6 pick in next years draft that could easily be much worse. If the pick was 100% unprotected we could gamble on them failing hard. With top 5 protection the payoff isn't very much for that big gamble.

Hawks fan back again:
Rumors from here in Atlanta is that Minny proposed #6 and Hunter for #1 - Hawks quickly declined. Atlanta is not as interested in moving up like they did last year.
Here's a Wolves/Magic trade said to have been discussed:
Top 5 protected 2021 1st, #15 pick and Aaron Gordon for LaMelo Ball, Minny wants Isaac instead of Gordon, ORL does not want to include him.
It's still early and things change but that's where things are at the moment - Minny is trying really hard to trade the pick.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1257 » by minimus » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:34 pm

jayu70 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:How about a trade with a calculated risk, gambling on SAC failing hard next season in the Pacific division fighting against LAL, LAC, PHO, GSW?

Trade 1: MIN #1 pick, Evans, Spellman for ATL #6, De'Andre Hunter.
Trade 2: JJ, #6, #17 for Harrison Barnes, #12, SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected).

Why for MIN: Barnes is a big wing, who has experience. His contract for next three year is 22, 20, and 18 mil. Which is still a massive overpay. But it is kind of scenario where we trade for a bad contract and an additional asset. SAC 2021 FRP (top5 protected) might be a very valuable asset.

Why for SAC: get rid of Barnes contract, get a chance to draft a star at 6 this year.

Draft Maxey, Tillie. Bring back JMac, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Barnes/Layman/Vanderbilt
Hunter/Culver/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
DLo/Maxey/JMac

+ SAC 2021 FRP

Next season we need to continue with the development of our young players, so Barnes contract can be used in a package for another trade. Let say Culver, Okogie, Nowell will improve significantly. All of the sudden, a package with Barnes + Culver(Okogie/Nowell) + SAC 2021 FRP, might net us a star.

We give up #1 and 17 for the negative impact of Barnes, the #12 pick in this years draft and at the absolute best the #6 pick in next years draft that could easily be much worse. If the pick was 100% unprotected we could gamble on them failing hard. With top 5 protection the payoff isn't very much for that big gamble.

Hawks fan back again:
Rumors from here in Atlanta is that Minny proposed #6 and Hunter for #1 - Hawks quickly declined. Atlanta is not as interested in moving up like they did last year.
Here's a Wolves/Magic trade said to have been discussed:
Top 5 protected 2021 1st, #15 pick and Aaron Gordon for LaMelo Ball, Minny wants Isaac instead of Gordon, ORL does not want to include him.
It's still early and things change but that's where things are at the moment - Minny is trying really hard to trade the pick.


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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1258 » by jayu70 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:08 pm

minimus wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:We give up #1 and 17 for the negative impact of Barnes, the #12 pick in this years draft and at the absolute best the #6 pick in next years draft that could easily be much worse. If the pick was 100% unprotected we could gamble on them failing hard. With top 5 protection the payoff isn't very much for that big gamble.

Hawks fan back again:
Rumors from here in Atlanta is that Minny proposed #6 and Hunter for #1 - Hawks quickly declined. Atlanta is not as interested in moving up like they did last year.
Here's a Wolves/Magic trade said to have been discussed:
Top 5 protected 2021 1st, #15 pick and Aaron Gordon for LaMelo Ball, Minny wants Isaac instead of Gordon, ORL does not want to include him.
It's still early and things change but that's where things are at the moment - Minny is trying really hard to trade the pick.


Thanks! Source?

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1259 » by Neeva » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:47 pm

I do not want Deandre Hunter.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1260 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:50 pm

Neeva wrote:I do not want Deandre Hunter.

I wouldn't mind him at all. It appears that the price isn't very high for the #1 draft pick if we would accept Hunter and #6 for it.
Those thinking we're going to get something glorious for it might need to think again. On the other hand I don't believe this report.

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