NBA Trade Thread # 6

[Hangtime84]

I saw this on Facebook, does anyone have the Athletic to provide more details ?

According to The Athletic’s Darnell Mayberry, the Bulls are looking to make a deal to acquire Rudy Gobert by draft night.
Mayberry says Jazz aren’t interested in Coby White. Patrick Williams will be included. Mayberry also believes Bulls will become a 55+ win team and instant title contenders if this trade is completed.

https://www.facebook.com/DieHardChicagoBullsFans/

Haha, thats site is a joke..making dumb trade proposals all the time.. Like last one Rose, Reddish and MRob for White, #18 and DJJ haha! Like Knicks are super dumb

One their admins is a realgm bulls poster. But they post all rumors from any bulls related site to draw attention

[PJSteven22]

Vuc/Coby and 18 for Gafford/Kuz makes sense.

No it doesn't not when they have KP making 35 million and are about to MAXXX Beal .

If we could do Coby, TBJ, and the #18 for Kuz that would be awesome for us

Vooch / throw the MLE at Hartenstein
Pat / Kuz
Demar/Kuz /Green
Zach / AC
Zo /Ayo

I look at Kuz as someone who is insurance for both Demar and Pat and at worst a viable scoring and rebounding option off the bench


If Pat doesn't show up well we can slide him to the bench for Kuz

We use Kuz to help keep Demars minutes at 32 by having someone that can score with the bench unit

Kuz is miles ahead of Pat. Plus TBJ is a FA so you wouldn’t be able to do that deal until July and Vuc is an expiring. Then Porzingis contract expires that next year. I don’t see why would they want TBJ back.

[PJSteven22]

Not all centers are equal.

Why would the Pacers want Coby? They drafted Duarte last season and also have Brogdon/Hield who can play the SG position.

I think one reason why they traded Sabonis is to give Turner more opportunities.

The 18th pick is fine, but are the Pacers going to start Isaiah Jackson or Goga at center?

Disagree. They’re trying to trade Hield and Brodgan. Again you’re overvaluing Turner. His value is a ok young player and a pick. It’s not like he’s an All Star and he’s an expiring with an injury past. Look at the return for Jarrett Allen.

The return for Jarrett Allen is meaningless. Allen was an all-star this season and I'm sure teams wish they had traded for him like the Cavs did.

Also, look at the NBA finals. You don't think teams see Robert Williams blocking shots and think that's a big value to any team? Turner has a career average of 2.3 blocks and in 2020-21 lead the league (with 3.4).

On top of all that, which I said previous, the Pacers traded Sabonis to give Turner more opportunities. Why would they cut bait on him now? And for Coby White?

If you're the Pacers GM would you make that trade? I wouldn't. I'd need a better offer.

That JA deal is very relevant and discarding that shows that you don’t really have an answer to that argument so you deflect. JA in 2021 has around the same value as Myles Turner since he’s a good not great Center and an expiring. There are quite a few big men available. Which drives the value of Turner down. If I’m a rebuilding Pacers team I’d gladly take a young player and a Mid first. No one is going to give up much more for Turner. You have an inflated since of his value. They traded Sabonis because they got a very good prospect back. It really didn’t have nothing to do with Turner.

[Dan Z]

Disagree. They’re trying to trade Hield and Brodgan. Again you’re overvaluing Turner. His value is a ok young player and a pick. It’s not like he’s an All Star and he’s an expiring with an injury past. Look at the return for Jarrett Allen.

The return for Jarrett Allen is meaningless. Allen was an all-star this season and I'm sure teams wish they had traded for him like the Cavs did.

Also, look at the NBA finals. You don't think teams see Robert Williams blocking shots and think that's a big value to any team? Turner has a career average of 2.3 blocks and in 2020-21 lead the league (with 3.4).

On top of all that, which I said previous, the Pacers traded Sabonis to give Turner more opportunities. Why would they cut bait on him now? And for Coby White?

If you're the Pacers GM would you make that trade? I wouldn't. I'd need a better offer.

That JA deal is very relevant and discarding that shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about with all due respect. JA in 2021 has around the same vale as Myles Turner since he’s a good not great Center and an expiring. There are quite a few big men available. Which drives the value of Turner down. If I’m a rebuilding Pacers team I’d gladly take a young player and a Mid first. No one is going to give up much more for Turner. You have an inflated since of his value. They traded Sabonis because they got a very good prospect back. It really didn’t have nothing to do with Turner.

It doesn't matter if Jarrett Allen and Myles turner are the same level of player. You can't use that old deal as a basis for a new one because context matter. In that deal the goal for the Nets was Harden and the Rockets didn't want to pay Allen (hence the Cavs stepping in).

I'm sure other teams wish they were able to step in like the Cavs did.

I'm also not saying that Turner has some high level of value, but I don't think Coby plus the #18 makes sense for Indy.

I saw this on the Pacers board (more info on Turner):

From Marc Stein today.

Every time I'm asked in a Spotify Live session about Myles Turner's future in Indiana, I pass along what I've repeatedly heard: The Pacers are hopeful about Turner's long-term prospects in Indiana after trading away Domantas Sabonis. Yet I'm told there is a scenario I need to add to the range of possibilities for Turner as he heads into an offseason expected to feature contract extension talks: Word is he might seek to play out the final season of his contract valued at $18 million. That scenario, of course, would put the Pacers at risk for losing Turner without compensation when he becomes a free agent after the 2022-23 season unless they trade him first. Yet another complicating variable: Indiana hasn’t had an opportunity yet to evaluate Turner's fit alongside Tyrese Haliburton after Turner sustained a stress reaction in his left foot in January that sidelined him before Haliburton's February arrival in the Sabonis trade with Sacramento. One imagines Indiana would need to have a feel for how Turner and Haliburton mesh before making any decision. Just remember that Turner will be extension eligible through June 30, 2023, meaning that Indiana could feasibly start the season with the 26-year-old on an expiring contract, see how he looks alongside Haliburton and then offer an extension in-season … or move Turner before next February's trade deadline if the sides can’t agree on a deal.

[PJSteven22]

The return for Jarrett Allen is meaningless. Allen was an all-star this season and I'm sure teams wish they had traded for him like the Cavs did.

Also, look at the NBA finals. You don't think teams see Robert Williams blocking shots and think that's a big value to any team? Turner has a career average of 2.3 blocks and in 2020-21 lead the league (with 3.4).

On top of all that, which I said previous, the Pacers traded Sabonis to give Turner more opportunities. Why would they cut bait on him now? And for Coby White?

If you're the Pacers GM would you make that trade? I wouldn't. I'd need a better offer.

That JA deal is very relevant and discarding that shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about with all due respect. JA in 2021 has around the same vale as Myles Turner since he’s a good not great Center and an expiring. There are quite a few big men available. Which drives the value of Turner down. If I’m a rebuilding Pacers team I’d gladly take a young player and a Mid first. No one is going to give up much more for Turner. You have an inflated since of his value. They traded Sabonis because they got a very good prospect back. It really didn’t have nothing to do with Turner.

It doesn't matter if Jarrett Allen and Myles turner are the same level of player. You can't use that old deal as a basis for a new one because context matter. In that deal the goal for the Nets was Harden and the Rockets didn't want to pay Allen (hence the Cavs stepping in).

I'm sure other teams wish they were able to step in like the Cavs did.

I'm also not saying that Turner has some high level of value, but I don't think Coby plus the #18 makes sense for Indy.

I saw this on the Pacers board (more info on Turner):

From Marc Stein today.

Every time I'm asked in a Spotify Live session about Myles Turner's future in Indiana, I pass along what I've repeatedly heard: The Pacers are hopeful about Turner's long-term prospects in Indiana after trading away Domantas Sabonis. Yet I'm told there is a scenario I need to add to the range of possibilities for Turner as he heads into an offseason expected to feature contract extension talks: Word is he might seek to play out the final season of his contract valued at $18 million. That scenario, of course, would put the Pacers at risk for losing Turner without compensation when he becomes a free agent after the 2022-23 season unless they trade him first. Yet another complicating variable: Indiana hasn’t had an opportunity yet to evaluate Turner's fit alongside Tyrese Haliburton after Turner sustained a stress reaction in his left foot in January that sidelined him before Haliburton's February arrival in the Sabonis trade with Sacramento. One imagines Indiana would need to have a feel for how Turner and Haliburton mesh before making any decision. Just remember that Turner will be extension eligible through June 30, 2023, meaning that Indiana could feasibly start the season with the 26-year-old on an expiring contract, see how he looks alongside Haliburton and then offer an extension in-season … or move Turner before next February's trade deadline if the sides can’t agree on a deal.

His future is still up in the air and it says nothing about his perceived value. Which is what you’re trying to argue. You’re completely missing my point. Plus the salaries don’t match. Good night.

[Dan Z]

That JA deal is very relevant and discarding that shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about with all due respect. JA in 2021 has around the same vale as Myles Turner since he’s a good not great Center and an expiring. There are quite a few big men available. Which drives the value of Turner down. If I’m a rebuilding Pacers team I’d gladly take a young player and a Mid first. No one is going to give up much more for Turner. You have an inflated since of his value. They traded Sabonis because they got a very good prospect back. It really didn’t have nothing to do with Turner.

It doesn't matter if Jarrett Allen and Myles turner are the same level of player. You can't use that old deal as a basis for a new one because context matter. In that deal the goal for the Nets was Harden and the Rockets didn't want to pay Allen (hence the Cavs stepping in).

I'm sure other teams wish they were able to step in like the Cavs did.

I'm also not saying that Turner has some high level of value, but I don't think Coby plus the #18 makes sense for Indy.

I saw this on the Pacers board (more info on Turner):

From Marc Stein today.

His future is still up in the air and it says nothing about his perceived value. Which is what you’re trying to argue. You’re completely missing my point. Plus the salaries don’t match. Good night.

I'm explaining why that trade doesn't make sense for the Pacers.

[WindyCityBorn]

I saw this on Facebook, does anyone have the Athletic to provide more details ?

According to The Athletic’s Darnell Mayberry, the Bulls are looking to make a deal to acquire Rudy Gobert by draft night.
Mayberry says Jazz aren’t interested in Coby White. Patrick Williams will be included. Mayberry also believes Bulls will become a 55+ win team and instant title contenders if this trade is completed.

https://www.facebook.com/DieHardChicagoBullsFans/

Haha, thats site is a joke..making dumb trade proposals all the time.. Like last one Rose, Reddish and MRob for White, #18 and DJJ haha! Like Knicks are super dumb

One their admins is a realgm bulls poster. But they post all rumors from any bulls related site to draw attention

Bulls are not trading Patrick Williams for Gobert. Already been said. Let’s the Hawks make that mistake.

[WindyCityBorn]

Vuc/Coby and 18 for Gafford/Kuz makes sense.

No it doesn't not when they have KP making 35 million and are about to MAXXX Beal .

If we could do Coby, TBJ, and the #18 for Kuz that would be awesome for us

Vooch / throw the MLE at Hartenstein
Pat / Kuz
Demar/Kuz /Green
Zach / AC
Zo /Ayo

I look at Kuz as someone who is insurance for both Demar and Pat and at worst a viable scoring and rebounding option off the bench


If Pat doesn't show up well we can slide him to the bench for Kuz

We use Kuz to help keep Demars minutes at 32 by having someone that can score with the bench unit

Kuz is miles ahead of Pat. Plus TBJ is a FA so you wouldn’t be able to do that deal until July and Vuc is an expiring. Then Porzingis contract expires that next year. I don’t see why would they want TBJ back.

He should be ahead. He has played like 5 seasons. He still wouldn’t start because the Bulls are about to push Williams hard. They are not bringing on anyone to play over him.

[PJSteven22]

It doesn't matter if Jarrett Allen and Myles turner are the same level of player. You can't use that old deal as a basis for a new one because context matter. In that deal the goal for the Nets was Harden and the Rockets didn't want to pay Allen (hence the Cavs stepping in).

I'm sure other teams wish they were able to step in like the Cavs did.

I'm also not saying that Turner has some high level of value, but I don't think Coby plus the #18 makes sense for Indy.

I saw this on the Pacers board (more info on Turner):

His future is still up in the air and it says nothing about his perceived value. Which is what you’re trying to argue. You’re completely missing my point. Plus the salaries don’t match. Good night.

I'm explaining why that trade doesn't make sense for the Pacers.

Agree to disagree

[PJSteven22]

No it doesn't not when they have KP making 35 million and are about to MAXXX Beal .

If we could do Coby, TBJ, and the #18 for Kuz that would be awesome for us

Vooch / throw the MLE at Hartenstein
Pat / Kuz
Demar/Kuz /Green
Zach / AC
Zo /Ayo

I look at Kuz as someone who is insurance for both Demar and Pat and at worst a viable scoring and rebounding option off the bench


If Pat doesn't show up well we can slide him to the bench for Kuz

We use Kuz to help keep Demars minutes at 32 by having someone that can score with the bench unit

Kuz is miles ahead of Pat. Plus TBJ is a FA so you wouldn’t be able to do that deal until July and Vuc is an expiring. Then Porzingis contract expires that next year. I don’t see why would they want TBJ back.

He should be ahead. He has played like 5 seasons. He still wouldn’t start because the Bulls are about to push Williams hard. They are not bringing on anyone to play over him.

Then the trade would be pointless. You start the best players. This makes little to no sense.

[PhillyFan11]

From a Sixers fan…

Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang and rights to pick #23

For

Coby White and Javonte Green

Nice joke hahaha.. Bulls fan do that 100/100!
Other knowledgeable Sixers fans would laugh hard at you..

What do you think Thybulle’s value is? Because I can assure you most “knowledgeable” basketball fans don’t think it’s very high. Go check the sixers board, most (if not all) fans want him gone. He’s a black hole on offense that has shown almost 0 improvement. His defensive value is killed by the fact that other teams don’t have to guard him. I’m almost certain the Sixers could swap Javonte Green for Thybulle and absolutely nothing changes.

Please take Korkmaz and Niang’s 9mil off our hands. Both are borderline unplayable in important games because they can’t guard a single nba player. Sixers are also looking to shed a few mil off the books to be able to use the full MLE.

So if you think the Sixers should keep pick 23? Awesome. But I’m telling you that you are WAY overvaluing Thybulle

[Chicago-Bull-E]

From a Sixers fan…

Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang and rights to pick #23

For

Coby White and Javonte Green

Nice joke hahaha.. Bulls fan do that 100/100!
Other knowledgeable Sixers fans would laugh hard at you..

What do you think Thybulle’s value is? Because I can assure you most “knowledgeable” basketball fans don’t think it’s very high. Go check the sixers board, most (if not all) fans want him gone. He’s a black hole on offense that has shown almost 0 improvement. His defensive value is killed by the fact that other teams don’t have to guard him. I’m almost certain the Sixers could swap Javonte Green for Thybulle and absolutely nothing changes.

Please take Korkmaz and Niang’s 9mil off our hands. Both are borderline unplayable in important games because they can’t guard a single nba player. Sixers are also looking to shed a few mil off the books to be able to use the full MLE.

So if you think the Sixers should keep pick 23? Awesome. But I’m telling you that you are WAY overvaluing Thybulle

Probably a good example of “the grass is greener on the other side” from both sides. I would do the deal as well.

Coby has struggled in his career, but showed impressive improvement last season, can hit the 3, and is still 22. I think he’ll get better. He won’t ever be a plus defender because of his wingspan, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see him win 6th man of the year with 16 ppg on good efficiency.

[chitownsports4ever]

Vuc/Coby and 18 for Gafford/Kuz makes sense.

No it doesn't not when they have KP making 35 million and are about to MAXXX Beal .

If we could do Coby, TBJ, and the #18 for Kuz that would be awesome for us

Vooch / throw the MLE at Hartenstein
Pat / Kuz
Demar/Kuz /Green
Zach / AC
Zo /Ayo

I look at Kuz as someone who is insurance for both Demar and Pat and at worst a viable scoring and rebounding option off the bench


If Pat doesn't show up well we can slide him to the bench for Kuz

We use Kuz to help keep Demars minutes at 32 by having someone that can score with the bench unit

Kuz is miles ahead of Pat. Plus TBJ is a FA so you wouldn’t be able to do that deal until July and Vuc is an expiring. Then Porzingis contract expires that next year. I don’t see why would they want TBJ back.

Actually TBJ is a team option if we pick it up before July he becomes a 7 million dollar expiring at the end of season

Coby 7 million
TBJ 7 million dollar expiring

That's enough to make the deal work salary wise (Kuz 14 mil) and the pick would be proper compensation as he would be the best player in the trade by far.

If they give Beal that 50 million per year 5 yr 250 mill maxx deal alongside KP then they will look to cut salary and get young players on rookie contracts to maintain maximum flexibility

They would have 22 yr old Coby , #10 ,and #18 to fil out their perimeter rotation around Beal if the plan is actually to keep KP long-term which I believe it is right now . They simply play the surplus of forwards they have next to KP after Kuz trade and Gaffords 3 yr 40 mil extension kicks in after next year as well.

They would have 20 mil in expiring's next year in KCP and TBJ

[Nate3carp]

No it doesn't not when they have KP making 35 million and are about to MAXXX Beal .

If we could do Coby, TBJ, and the #18 for Kuz that would be awesome for us

Vooch / throw the MLE at Hartenstein
Pat / Kuz
Demar/Kuz /Green
Zach / AC
Zo /Ayo

I look at Kuz as someone who is insurance for both Demar and Pat and at worst a viable scoring and rebounding option off the bench


If Pat doesn't show up well we can slide him to the bench for Kuz

We use Kuz to help keep Demars minutes at 32 by having someone that can score with the bench unit

Kuz is miles ahead of Pat. Plus TBJ is a FA so you wouldn’t be able to do that deal until July and Vuc is an expiring. Then Porzingis contract expires that next year. I don’t see why would they want TBJ back.

Actually TBJ is a team option if we pick it up before July he becomes a 7 million dollar expiring at the end of season

Coby 7 million
TBJ 7 million dollar expiring

That's enough to make the deal work salary wise (Kuz 14 mil) and the pick would be proper compensation as he would be the best player in the trade by far.

If they give Beal that 50 million per year 5 yr 250 mill maxx deal alongside KP then they will look to cut salary and get young players on rookie contracts to maintain maximum flexibility

They would have 22 yr old Coby , #10 ,and #18 to fil out their perimeter rotation around Beal if the plan is actually to keep KP long-term which I believe it is right now . They simply play the surplus of forwards they have next to KP after Kuz trade and Gaffords 3 yr 40 mil extension kicks in after next year as well.

They would have 20 mil in expiring's next year in KCP and TBJ

TBJ is a restricted free agent. The $7,228,000 is his qualifying offer, not a team option. It would have to be a sign and trade if you are including him.

[ChettheJet]

He should be ahead. He has played like 5 seasons. He still wouldn’t start because the Bulls are about to push Williams hard. They are not bringing on anyone to play over him.

Glad somebody sees this. Kuzma has done as well in WASH as he did with the losing Laker teams, so when given time he's a quality player. And it's not like anybody is suggesting that he play 16 minutes a game. The Bulls need PWill to grow into HIS NBA game but at the same time they need scoring off the bench. It's perfect for Kuzma to come off the bench with Caruso and take the minutes behind both Patrick and Demar while one of them stays on the court. He can make the occasional start so neither has to play through an injury or either can just take a game off. Then whoever they draft at #18 at the 3 or 4 doesn't have to get force fed into the rotation.

Like I said, 2 parts of a Kuzma deal are relieving WASH of a couple of years of his contract and reducing their overstock of forwards. Yes they have KP but for a year Vuc would create serious matchup problems for opponents. Look at the Bulls pick any center that you imagine they would have and which one does PWill guard? Or if you're moving him for Gobert who's your new PF and how does he guard KP?


One poster correctly asked why WASH would want TBJ back, the same has to be asked of the suggestion that the Bulls would, or could be forced to, take back Gafford. They just traded him a year and a half ago, he's made no progress on having an offensive game more than 4 feet from the basket and they're supposed to bail WASH out of the $12M a year mistake they made?

[Andi Obst]

Kuz is miles ahead of Pat. Plus TBJ is a FA so you wouldn’t be able to do that deal until July and Vuc is an expiring. Then Porzingis contract expires that next year. I don’t see why would they want TBJ back.

Actually TBJ is a team option if we pick it up before July he becomes a 7 million dollar expiring at the end of season

Coby 7 million
TBJ 7 million dollar expiring

That's enough to make the deal work salary wise (Kuz 14 mil) and the pick would be proper compensation as he would be the best player in the trade by far.

If they give Beal that 50 million per year 5 yr 250 mill maxx deal alongside KP then they will look to cut salary and get young players on rookie contracts to maintain maximum flexibility

They would have 22 yr old Coby , #10 ,and #18 to fil out their perimeter rotation around Beal if the plan is actually to keep KP long-term which I believe it is right now . They simply play the surplus of forwards they have next to KP after Kuz trade and Gaffords 3 yr 40 mil extension kicks in after next year as well.

They would have 20 mil in expiring's next year in KCP and TBJ

TBJ is a restricted free agent. The $7,228,000 is his qualifying offer, not a team option. It would have to be a sign and trade if you are including him.

Yeah. If he just signs the QO (assuming the Bulls are even interested in giving him that), trading him becomes very difficult.

[sco]

From a Sixers fan…

Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang and rights to pick #23

For

Coby White and Javonte Green

You sure you're not a Bulls fan? That is a great trade for us.

Is there a deal you'd do for Rudy, Avdija, or Kuzma?

White/Green/18 for Kuz/23?

[chitownsports4ever]

Kuz is miles ahead of Pat. Plus TBJ is a FA so you wouldn’t be able to do that deal until July and Vuc is an expiring. Then Porzingis contract expires that next year. I don’t see why would they want TBJ back.

Actually TBJ is a team option if we pick it up before July he becomes a 7 million dollar expiring at the end of season

Coby 7 million
TBJ 7 million dollar expiring

That's enough to make the deal work salary wise (Kuz 14 mil) and the pick would be proper compensation as he would be the best player in the trade by far.

If they give Beal that 50 million per year 5 yr 250 mill maxx deal alongside KP then they will look to cut salary and get young players on rookie contracts to maintain maximum flexibility

They would have 22 yr old Coby , #10 ,and #18 to fil out their perimeter rotation around Beal if the plan is actually to keep KP long-term which I believe it is right now . They simply play the surplus of forwards they have next to KP after Kuz trade and Gaffords 3 yr 40 mil extension kicks in after next year as well.

They would have 20 mil in expiring's next year in KCP and TBJ

TBJ is a restricted free agent. The $7,228,000 is his qualifying offer, not a team option. It would have to be a sign and trade if you are including him.

Oh crap Thanks for that clarification and if thats the case the odds are of us making any trades outside Coby and the pick are really low

[burlydee]

From a Sixers fan…

Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang and rights to pick #23

For

Coby White and Javonte Green

You sure you're not a Bulls fan? That is a great trade for us.

Is there a deal you'd do for Rudy, Avdija, or Kuzma?

White/Green/18 for Kuz/23?

Kuzma would be the ideal backup for Pat and Derozan. Big enough to guard 4s, a strong rebounder who can occassionaly guard 3s. He's a guy you can run the 2nd team offense through, he helps you push the ball, and he's a potential good fit character wise b/c he's friends with Lonzo and has a relationship with AC. He's also probably the best P. Will insurance you can have (I'm a 100% Pat Will believer btw). He's a proven PF where you know what you're going to get. Would 100% be willing to package White and 18 to grab him. Seems like the Bulls would have to throw in another piece to make the trade work salary wise. I think that is pretty good value for Washington.

Coby White and Green for #23, Thybulle, Niang, Korkmaz would be a heist for the Bulls. If that is on the table, you have to take it. Korkmaz, Niang and Thybulle are all bench players, but the Bulls need depth. Add in the #23 pick - call it into the league!

[Grodoboldo]

From a Sixers fan…

Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang and rights to pick #23

For

Coby White and Javonte Green

Nice joke hahaha.. Bulls fan do that 100/100!
Other knowledgeable Sixers fans would laugh hard at you..

What do you think Thybulle’s value is? Because I can assure you most “knowledgeable” basketball fans don’t think it’s very high. Go check the sixers board, most (if not all) fans want him gone. He’s a black hole on offense that has shown almost 0 improvement. His defensive value is killed by the fact that other teams don’t have to guard him. I’m almost certain the Sixers could swap Javonte Green for Thybulle and absolutely nothing changes.

Please take Korkmaz and Niang’s 9mil off our hands. Both are borderline unplayable in important games because they can’t guard a single nba player. Sixers are also looking to shed a few mil off the books to be able to use the full MLE.

So if you think the Sixers should keep pick 23? Awesome. But I’m telling you that you are WAY overvaluing Thybulle

Well, great then, we'd have to adjust the finances (I don't think that trade works on a trade machine), but I'm pretty sure most Bulls fan would do that in a heartbeat