[Camelo Thread Part 7]

[johnnywishbone]

It's been demonstrated multiple times that it would take huge concessions by the players union for a 5-year deal with us to leave "a lot of money on the table." But what does this have to do with your original post, which was that "Carmelo is an employee, Denver chooses where he goes, PERIOD." You're basically saying "I believe Carmelo's anxiety about the CBA is a bigger deal to him than Denver losing their franchise player for nothing or for a rental-level package is to them." Speculation. It's an opinion, not something that ends in a PERIOD.

Reading is fundamental. It's a period because no matter what Melo says he can't tell Denver where to trade him. PERIOD. He does not have the choice. They do. And on top of that he has no guarantee going into this off season how things are going to turn out. And if you don't think his agent isn't putting copious amounts of pressure on him to sign that extension then you are blinded by your desire to see Melo in a Knicks uni. PERIOD.

How many 65 million dollar contracts have you turned down? That money is eating at him night and day. Don't kid yourself.

But Melo can determine where he spends the next 5 years of his career. Period. Denver has no control over that. Period. If Denver wants a big trade package back for their franchise player it has to be somewhere he agrees to go. Period.

As far as turning down a $65 million dollar contract - he's been turning it down for a year now. If he were terrified of a career-ending injury in the next 3 months he would have signed the extension before the season began.

It's all speculation. We don't know who will blink first. We don't know if Denver is willing to deal with the Knicks. We don't know if Melo is willing to go to free agency. We don't know whether Melo is willing to play for the Nets. We don't know whether Melo is overly worried about the CBA. But keep punctuating your opinions with PERIODS.

Fact: Carmelo wants NY.
Fact: NY wants Melo.
Fact: Carmelo is not playing for NY.

Therefore, Denver is not interested in doing a deal with NY. So again, who has the leverage? It's time to move on people. Maybe, Carmelo goes full Kamikaze and lasts until free agency. But I doubt it.

And the point of the conversation was that there is nothing Donnie can really do but wait. PERIOD.

[snyknick86]

So I'm to believe Melo just wants to play with Rip & Chauncey and he'll sign? Then why don't Nuggets just trade for Rip & call it a day?

http://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN

[GONYK]

Francesa just said he heard it was Melo's wife pushing him to take the extension now, no matter what. Greedy hoe is worried about her $ and that's it.

he said it like 3 times. That Lala is scared of losing $ and shes pushing Melo. That's probably why we havnt heard Melo say flat out he would play at NJ.

We all saw "He Got Game," LaLa wants to get paid too

Francesa doesn't know sh*t

[knicks9784]

Francesa just said he heard it was Melo's wife pushing him to take the extension now, no matter what. Greedy hoe is worried about her $ and that's it.

he said it like 3 times. That Lala is scared of losing $ and shes pushing Melo. That's probably why we havnt heard Melo say flat out he would play at NJ.

We all saw "He Got Game," LaLa wants to get paid too

francessa also guaranteed cliff lee to the yanks and zero problems with jeters new contract negotiations. he knows nothing, his pipeline has been shut down years ago. sry thats my fatcessa rant, but seriously he's never right, and i'd def doubt his insider info in regards to basketball seeing as he hasnt spoken about it for the last 15 years.

[moocow007]

his agents could be telling him that the knicks dont want him...they get paid either way

They (his agents) actually get 2 things accomplished here.

1. As you said, they get paid.
2. Eliminate a potential rival for the golden childs team (golden child being LBJ).

If i were Melo Id dump them for looking out for their own best interests.

[snyknick86]

Francesa just said he heard it was Melo's wife pushing him to take the extension now, no matter what. Greedy hoe is worried about her $ and that's it.

he said it like 3 times. That Lala is scared of losing $ and shes pushing Melo. That's probably why we havnt heard Melo say flat out he would play at NJ.

We all saw "He Got Game," LaLa wants to get paid too

Francesa doesn't know sh*t

i agree , but remember But he's not one of these Twitter stars who throws around rumors for attention.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Francesa just said he heard it was Melo's wife pushing him to take the extension now, no matter what. Greedy hoe is worried about her $ and that's it.

he said it like 3 times. That Lala is scared of losing $ and shes pushing Melo. That's probably why we havnt heard Melo say flat out he would play at NJ.

We all saw "He Got Game," LaLa wants to get paid too

Fatcesa is the LAST person I would look too for basketball info. His basketball sources are sh*t. He only has good football sources.

[Falstaffxx]

But Melo can determine where he spends the next 5 years of his career. Period. Denver has no control over that. Period. If Denver wants a big trade package back for their franchise player it has to be somewhere he agrees to go. Period.

As far as turning down a $65 million dollar contract - he's been turning it down for a year now. If he were terrified of a career-ending injury in the next 3 months he would have signed the extension before the season began.

It's all speculation. We don't know who will blink first. We don't know if Denver is willing to deal with the Knicks. We don't know if Melo is willing to go to free agency. We don't know whether Melo is willing to play for the Nets. We don't know whether Melo is overly worried about the CBA. But keep punctuating your opinions with PERIODS.

Fact: Carmelo wants NY.
Fact: NY wants Melo.
Fact: Carmelo is not playing for NY.

Therefore, Denver is not interested in doing a deal with NY. So again, who has the leverage? It's time to move on people. Maybe, Carmelo goes full Kamikaze and lasts until free agency. But I doubt it.

And the point of the conversation was that there is nothing Donnie can really do but wait. PERIOD.

Fact: Carmelo can choose to go free agent. Fact: Denver doesn't want him to leave for nothing. Fact: the situation is more nuanced than you think.

Oh and - your initial point was NOT that all we can do is wait. It was that Denver holds all the cards in the situation and Melo is just an employee who must do what his employer says. When in reality he's a free agent in line for a max deal if he chooses to go that route.

[johnnywishbone]

Fact: Carmelo can choose to go free agent. Fact: Denver doesn't want him to leave for nothing. Fact: the situation is more nuanced than you think.

Let's turn this into a poker analogy. At the end of the day Denver has the nuts. I don't care what you say - Melo, his family and his agent want that extension. That doesn't mean Melo can't bluff and try to get Denver to fold their cards but...

this isn't the Kroenke's first rodeo. They own what - five sports franchises? Sure, they want something for Melo but even if they go all the way to the Summer and are forced to deal with NY - they still won't get nothing. Matter of fact they'll get the same deal from us but they'll get a TPE instead of Eddy Curry.

[Falstaffxx]

Francesa just said he heard it was Melo's wife pushing him to take the extension now, no matter what. Greedy hoe is worried about her $ and that's it.

he said it like 3 times. That Lala is scared of losing $ and shes pushing Melo. That's probably why we havnt heard Melo say flat out he would play at NJ.

We all saw "He Got Game," LaLa wants to get paid too

Fatcesa is the LAST person I would look too for basketball info. His basketball sources are sh*t. He only has good football sources.

Besides, who would be the person leaking that? The butler?

[nyknicks2k2]

Francesa just said he heard it was Melo's wife pushing him to take the extension now, no matter what. Greedy hoe is worried about her $ and that's it.

he said it like 3 times. That Lala is scared of losing $ and shes pushing Melo. That's probably why we havnt heard Melo say flat out he would play at NJ.

We all saw "He Got Game," LaLa wants to get paid too

Francesa doesn't know sh*t

i agree , but remember But he's not one of these Twitter stars who throws around rumors for attention.

No. He's a radio star who throws around rumors for attention.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Francesa just said he heard it was Melo's wife pushing him to take the extension now, no matter what. Greedy hoe is worried about her $ and that's it.

he said it like 3 times. That Lala is scared of losing $ and shes pushing Melo. That's probably why we havnt heard Melo say flat out he would play at NJ.

We all saw "He Got Game," LaLa wants to get paid too

Fatcesa is the LAST person I would look too for basketball info. His basketball sources are sh*t. He only has good football sources.

Besides, who would be the person leaking that? The butler?

No Derek JETAH

[adog50]

IDK if this means anything but Joe Budden posted a tweet to lala saying:
"hey @lala .... Don't let him accept that trade, please ..... Morton's on me if u dead that ****, lol"

and lala Replied:
@JoeBudden hahahahhaha! U are crazzzy mousey!

Atleast we have people Close to Carmelo telling him not to do it. But on the other hand idk if lala Cares. Its probally all about the money to her.

[Falstaffxx]

Fact: Carmelo can choose to go free agent. Fact: Denver doesn't want him to leave for nothing. Fact: the situation is more nuanced than you think.

Let's turn this into a poker analogy. At the end of the day Denver has the nuts. I don't care what you say - Melo, his family and his agent want that extension. That doesn't mean Melo can't bluff and try to get Denver to fold their cards but...

You want me to debate your conclusion when I don't agree with your premise that it's clear Denver holds all the cards and Carmelo's fears of the CBA are more powerful than Denver's fear of losing its franchise player for peanuts. Both sides hold powerful cards. In fact, if Denver didn't care where Carmelo wants to extend, they would simply have traded him as a rental by now.

[johnnywishbone]

Fact: Carmelo can choose to go free agent. Fact: Denver doesn't want him to leave for nothing. Fact: the situation is more nuanced than you think.

Let's turn this into a poker analogy. At the end of the day Denver has the nuts. I don't care what you say - Melo, his family and his agent want that extension. That doesn't mean Melo can't bluff and try to get Denver to fold their cards but...

You want me to debate your conclusion when I don't agree with your premise that it's clear Denver holds all the cards and Carmelo's fears of the CBA are more powerful than Denver's fear of losing its franchise player for peanuts. Both sides hold powerful cards. In fact, if Denver didn't care where Carmelo wants to extend, they would simply have traded him as a rental by now.

No because they get a better deal if he signs an extension. Which is what they are doing.

Let me ask you two simple questions:

1. If, as you say, Denver's fear of getting nothing in return is greater than Melo's fear of not signing an extension why aren't they talking to NY?

2. If Melo is hard set on not signing that extension why is Denver even bothering to talk to NJ?

[born 2 expire]

Fact: Carmelo can choose to go free agent. Fact: Denver doesn't want him to leave for nothing. Fact: the situation is more nuanced than you think.

Let's turn this into a poker analogy. At the end of the day Denver has the nuts. I don't care what you say - Melo, his family and his agent want that extension. That doesn't mean Melo can't bluff and try to get Denver to fold their cards but...

You want me to debate your conclusion when I don't agree with your premise that it's clear Denver holds all the cards and Carmelo's fears of the CBA are more powerful than Denver's fear of losing its franchise player for peanuts. Both sides hold powerful cards. In fact, if Denver didn't care where Carmelo wants to extend, they would simply have traded him as a rental by now.

why would they rent him out? if melo agrees to an extension with another team, they can get a much better package in return.

[NYK0605]

Can people stop talking about how Melo can just wait it out to free agency and sign here?

It's not going to happen, if it was then Melo would have told Denver already that I am only willing to sign that extension with NY or im out of here with you getting nothing after this season.

1) Melo wants NY
2) Melo wants his money
3) There is a 99% chance of a lockout

Melo is going to sign that extension and get traded. There is no way this guy waits it out with all the uncertainty.

[GONYK]

Can people stop talking about how Melo can just wait it out to free agency and sign here?

It's not going to happen, if it was then Melo would have told Denver already that I am only willing to sign that extension with NY or im out of here with you getting nothing after this season.

1) Melo wants NY
2) Melo wants his money
3) There is a 99% chance of a lockout

Melo is going to sign that extension and get traded. There is no way this guy waits it out with all the uncertainty.

What does the lockout have to do with anything? Nobody gets paid during a lockout.

[NYK0605]

Can people stop talking about how Melo can just wait it out to free agency and sign here?

It's not going to happen, if it was then Melo would have told Denver already that I am only willing to sign that extension with NY or im out of here with you getting nothing after this season.

1) Melo wants NY
2) Melo wants his money
3) There is a 99% chance of a lockout

Melo is going to sign that extension and get traded. There is no way this guy waits it out with all the uncertainty.

What does the lockout have to do with anything? Nobody gets paid during a lockout.

I meant that he would not know how much a max deal would be worth under the new CBA.

It could be not much less than as of now but idk if he would risk that.

[GONYK]

Can people stop talking about how Melo can just wait it out to free agency and sign here?

It's not going to happen, if it was then Melo would have told Denver already that I am only willing to sign that extension with NY or im out of here with you getting nothing after this season.

1) Melo wants NY
2) Melo wants his money
3) There is a 99% chance of a lockout

Melo is going to sign that extension and get traded. There is no way this guy waits it out with all the uncertainty.

What does the lockout have to do with anything? Nobody gets paid during a lockout.

I meant that he would not know how much a max deal would be worth under the new CBA.

It could be not much less than as of now but idk if he would risk that.

He wouldn't risk it, because Denver won't keep him past the deadline