2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[bearadonisdna]

The bulls get saved from themselves, they get stuck picking a sg.

Whos the best shooting guard at the slot?
Hunter, culver, reddish are the names to me and I doubt there is a consensus.

Cam seems like he wouldn't be in the convo but at 6'8 -6'9 teams would have to drastically game plan to avoid that constant mismatch.

[Jvaughn]

My dream is to trade #7 to the Celtics for #20, #51, and the Grizzlies pick.

Then maybe liquidate Dunn, Valentine, Hutch for another mid-1st.

That's your dream??? I tend to dream a bit higher than I guess.

[bearadonisdna]

For the bulls to compete against the raps they will need a guard that is better than Lowry.

Lowry is an all star so practically impossible, but he had 7 points and 6 personal fouls tonight.

Wcj<Gasol
Lauri>Siakam
Otto>Green

Zach<Kawhi
Guard<Lowry

The raps would have to play us like this because the bulls could easily have an advantage.

Wcj<Gasol
Lauri>Siakam
Otto<Kawhi

Zach>Lowry
Guard>Green

This way bulls take 3 out of 5.

[bearadonisdna]

The bulls still have to worry about competing against a team of the warriors ilk.

Durant, curry, Thompson is a devastating trio. Theoretically it seems hard to match up with this unless you conceivably had a top 5 player.
Also 1 way to overtake them would be to draft /sign a sg that could better than Thompson.
The man is an all star, but also can disappear once in awhile.


Example-
Conceivably-

Wcj >Looney
Lauri >Draymond
Otto <Durant

Bc-

Zach < curry
Unnamed sg < Thompson

[JimmyJammer]

I’m watching these exceptional playoffs and I can’t stop looking at the impact players and where they were drafted.

So many outside of the top 5.

Tonight Siakam takes over the game. Picked 27th.

Yes sir. It wasn't just the finals either it was the entire final four teams (really the last 8 teams standing outside of Philly (Simmons and Embiid) and Houston (Harden, Paul). All of them are built on picks outside the top 5.... really mostly outside the top ten. It's becoming more and more common with the better teams in the league right now. The draft has become more of a crap shoot than it's ever been just over the last decade.

Here's the last four teams standing and their leading scorers/key players...

Toronto- Kawhi (15), Siakam (27), Lowry (24), Green (46), Gasol (48)
GSW- Steph (7), Klay (11), Green (35), Iggy (9) with Durant out.
Portland- Dame (6), McCollum (10), M. Leonard (11), Hood (23), Seth Curry (UD)
MIL- Giannis (15), Bledsoe (18), Brogdon (36), Middleton (39)

KD is the only top 5 pick. With him out, out of all 18 of these players 14 were picked 10th or lower... only Lillard was picked inside of 7th and he was 6th. We have SIX 2nd rounders or UD players.

Look at Denver - Jokic (46), Murray (7), Millsap (47), Morris (51), Harris (16), Crazy.

Great argument, which I was just thinking about making. In the end, it comes down to an organization having a great staff that can make great decisions in terms of scouting and identifying talent. Additionally, they have to be able to allocate the resources and the time in player development. For instance, this upcoming draft is one that will make a lot of GMs and scouts scratch their heads when it's all said and done, because I have this feeling that the best players might end up being the ones selected in the range of 8-15. Among this group of Reddish, Little, Doumbaya, Bol, Goga, Brandon Clarke, Huchimara and Walker-Alexander, there are probably going to be at least two who are going to go on and become star players. So, it is the job of an organization to identify them.

[stepic]

The bulls still have to worry about competing against a team of the warriors ilk.

Durant, curry, Thompson is a devastating trio. Theoretically it seems hard to match up with this unless you conceivably had a top 5 player.
Also 1 way to overtake them would be to draft /sign a sg that could better than Thompson.
The man is an all star, but also can disappear once in awhile.


Example-
Conceivably-

Wcj >Looney
Lauri >Draymond
Otto <Durant

Bc-

Zach < curry
Unnamed sg < Thompson

it's going to take a hell of a lot more than one sg that's better than Thompson to beat the Warriors. what are you smoking?

[johnnyvann840]

The bulls get saved from themselves, they get stuck picking a sg.

Whos the best shooting guard at the slot?
Hunter, culver, reddish are the names to me and I doubt there is a consensus.

Cam seems like he wouldn't be in the convo but at 6'8 -6'9 teams would have to drastically game plan to avoid that constant mismatch.

Hunter is not a SG. More of a 3/4 than a 2/3. Really Reddish is more of a 3 than a 2 as well.

For the bulls to compete against the raps they will need a guard that is better than Lowry.

Lowry is an all star so practically impossible, but he had 7 points and 6 personal fouls tonight.
.

Bulls window for competing is not going to be for a minute. Lowry is 33 years old and already beginning a decline. He's not the one we need to be worried about. I agree we need a PG better than Lowry though.

[johnnyvann840]

I’m watching these exceptional playoffs and I can’t stop looking at the impact players and where they were drafted.

So many outside of the top 5.

Tonight Siakam takes over the game. Picked 27th.

Yes sir. It wasn't just the finals either it was the entire final four teams (really the last 8 teams standing outside of Philly (Simmons and Embiid) and Houston (Harden, Paul). All of them are built on picks outside the top 5.... really mostly outside the top ten. It's becoming more and more common with the better teams in the league right now. The draft has become more of a crap shoot than it's ever been just over the last decade.

Here's the last four teams standing and their leading scorers/key players...

Toronto- Kawhi (15), Siakam (27), Lowry (24), Green (46), Gasol (48)
GSW- Steph (7), Klay (11), Green (35), Iggy (9) with Durant out.
Portland- Dame (6), McCollum (10), M. Leonard (11), Hood (23), Seth Curry (UD)
MIL- Giannis (15), Bledsoe (18), Brogdon (36), Middleton (39)

KD is the only top 5 pick. With him out, out of all 18 of these players 14 were picked 10th or lower... only Lillard was picked inside of 7th and he was 6th. We have SIX 2nd rounders or UD players.

Look at Denver - Jokic (46), Murray (7), Millsap (47), Morris (51), Harris (16), Crazy.

Great argument, which I was just thinking about making. In the end, it comes down to an organization having a great staff that can make great decisions in terms of scouting and identifying talent. Additionally, they have to be able to allocate the resources and the time in player development. For instance, this upcoming draft is one that will make a lot of GMs and scouts scratch their heads when it's all said and done, because I have this feeling that the best players might end up being the ones selected in the range of 8-15. Among this group of Reddish, Little, Doumbaya, Bol, Goga, Brandon Clarke, Huchimara and Walker-Alexander, there are probably going to be at least two who are going to go on and become star players. So, it is the job of an organization to identify them.

Yeah, I think this draft is going to be one of those where at least a few stars come from the 7 down spots.

Also, I was remiss in adding Kanter to Portland for some reason didn't think of him. He was actually a #3, so add one player to the high picks. Although, Portland is a better team with Meyers Leonard on the floor, IMO. Probably why I left him off.

[SfBull]

From what I seen during College Season, Culver's defense is better than Hunter's ( who's good at that too) ,both having showed better defensive skills than Cam.But it will translate for NBA game?We just don't know.

The NCAA FInal Game showed that Hunter is the superior Defender and better overall player than Culver. Hunter is taller, longer and stronger. He's a better 3 point shooter. Culver is a 2/3. Hunter is a 2-4 depending on the matchups. If Culver is there at #7 and White, Hunter and Garland are gone, I guess I'd trade the pick or keep Culver.

It's really open at #7,both Culver, Hunter and White being projects with pros and cons ,I like all of them ,it would be a hard choice for me .And you'll always have the chance of gambling drafting Reddish.It's really open and I believe no player of that crop will satisfy most posters here,you see , we're keep reading ( and with some posters really doing a great work of analysis) about players but besides Zion/Morant there's no consensus player for us.
I'm fine with all of them, believing we aren't bringing stars from that crop.

[SfBull]

The NCAA FInal Game showed that Hunter is the superior Defender and better overall player than Culver. Hunter is taller, longer and stronger. He's a better 3 point shooter. Culver is a 2/3. Hunter is a 2-4 depending on the matchups. If Culver is there at #7 and White, Hunter and Garland are gone, I guess I'd trade the pick or keep Culver.

Culver isn't a better defensive player than Hunter. Not even close. Culver defense is more of a team product. Hunter is the engine of his entire team defense. He literally locks guys down.

The problem with Culver is that he has a sg body with a sf game. Hunter has a sf/pf body aka Siakam type, with the typical hybrid sf/pf game. I could totally see Hunter having Siakam production down the road in the NBA.

If you see him that way he would likely be a great choice for us and would likely compete for starting at 4 .But I keep liking Culver too as he played great defense within Texas Tech's great scheme .But I' m a great fan of Siakam.

[TheSuzerain]

For the bulls to compete against the raps they will need a guard that is better than Lowry.

Lowry is an all star so practically impossible, but he had 7 points and 6 personal fouls tonight.

Wcj<Gasol
Lauri>Siakam
Otto>Green

Zach<Kawhi
Guard<Lowry

The raps would have to play us like this because the bulls could easily have an advantage.

Wcj<Gasol
Lauri>Siakam
Otto<Kawhi

Zach>Lowry
Guard>Green

This way bulls take 3 out of 5.

Siakam is easily better than Lauri. Lowry is better than Lavine.

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[Chicagoat]

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I would definitely try get into the conversation with the Knicks. Barrett would be a hell of a haul when compared the players we're mocked at. We could even grab Garland ahead of the Lakers if we wanted to.

Its probably gonna be impossible since the Knicks eying Culver and so are the Cavs(If they don't get Barrett).

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[cjbulls]

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I would definitely try get into the conversation with the Knicks. Barrett would be a hell of a haul when compared the players we're mocked at. We could even grab Garland ahead of the Lakers if we wanted to.

Its probably gonna be impossible since the Knicks eying Culver and so are the Cavs(If they don't get Barrett).

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We can offer Culver in a way Atlanta can’t (since we pick ahead of them), but I do not know what else we’d have to offer. They want complementary pieces and unless they really like Dunn or Denzel, there doesn’t seem to be a great secondary piece.

Not to mention RJ’s fit on this team is very suspect.

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I would definitely try get into the conversation with the Knicks. Barrett would be a hell of a haul when compared the players we're mocked at. We could even grab Garland ahead of the Lakers if we wanted to.

Its probably gonna be impossible since the Knicks eying Culver and so are the Cavs(If they don't get Barrett).

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We can offer Culver in a way Atlanta can’t (since we pick ahead of them), but I do not know what else we’d have to offer. They want complementary pieces and unless they really like Dunn or Denzel, there doesn’t seem to be a great secondary piece.

Not to mention RJ’s fit on this team is very suspect.

LaVine & Barrett are the starting guards and primary ball handlers. Not sure whats suspect about it.

[cjbulls]

Most teams would say, let's tank and get a top 8 pick (which they could have done) that way when we add our vets (as you described) plus our high pick, we're good in the future and don't need to convey a good pick. Instead, they acknowledged they won't be good anytime soon so they better win as many games as possible this year to make the conveyance.

I can't wait to see all those vets Memphis acquires next year to become a non-bottom 10 team. Should be fun.

1. Memphis started out 12-5 and wanted to make the play-offs.
2. New rules...tanking guarantees nothing. They still got the #2 pick even though a lot of other teams that tanked had the same record or worse.
3. In terms of adding vets, it is not just next year. It is the year after that as well.

I have no clue what the 2020-21 roster will look like. Is Ja the real deal or is a bust? If they get a top 6 pick in a "strong" draft next year....how good are they after that? Especially with all the cap space.

Let me put it like this. If YOU were a Memphis fan....would you think your future sucked...and two years from now you will still be a bottom feeding team?

Or would you be pumped that you landed Ja to pair with JJJ? Ja can learn behind Conley for a bit, then Conley can be moved to a contender at the deadline and Ja takes over. You will have cap space, and if you happen to get a top 6 pick next year, you keep it.

I posted a poll on the Celtics board yesterday on whether they’d rather have the Grizz pick or Bulls #7 pick. As of now it’s 30 votes to 3 in favor of the Grizz pick.

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I would definitely try get into the conversation with the Knicks. Barrett would be a hell of a haul when compared the players we're mocked at. We could even grab Garland ahead of the Lakers if we wanted to.

Its probably gonna be impossible since the Knicks eying Culver and so are the Cavs(If they don't get Barrett).

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We can offer Culver in a way Atlanta can’t (since we pick ahead of them), but I. D.o.n.t know what else we’d have to offer. They want complementary pieces and unless they really like Dunn or Denzel, there doesn’t seem to be a great secondary piece.

Not to mention RJ’s fit on this team is very suspect.

Good point about the Atlanta thing. But I imagine the Knicks would want picks more than players considering they need all the cap space they can get for free agents.

But speaking on the Barrett and his fit with our team. We are in no position to factor fit over talent at this point in our rebuild. Barrett has his warts but he's a hard worker, loves the spotlight, and has a good head on his shoulder. The kid is only 18 and showed so much at Duke. And even if Barrett isn't the guy, we could draft Garland instead.

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[Chi town]

Looks like Knicks and Cavs both want Culver.

[cjbulls]

I would definitely try get into the conversation with the Knicks. Barrett would be a hell of a haul when compared the players we're mocked at. We could even grab Garland ahead of the Lakers if we wanted to.

Its probably gonna be impossible since the Knicks eying Culver and so are the Cavs(If they don't get Barrett).

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We can offer Culver in a way Atlanta can’t (since we pick ahead of them), but I do not know what else we’d have to offer. They want complementary pieces and unless they really like Dunn or Denzel, there doesn’t seem to be a great secondary piece.

Not to mention RJ’s fit on this team is very suspect.

LaVine & Barrett are the starting guards and primary ball handlers. Not sure whats suspect about it.

They’re both very high usage players. I do not know when Lauri, Otto and WCJ are getting the ball, or how they’re getting the ball. The tweets alone explain it. RJ is not a complementary piece.

Zach for #3 I might consider. But I am high on Zach’s future and think there are legitimate questions about Barrett if he can’t become efficient.

[cjbulls]

I would definitely try get into the conversation with the Knicks. Barrett would be a hell of a haul when compared the players we're mocked at. We could even grab Garland ahead of the Lakers if we wanted to.

Its probably gonna be impossible since the Knicks eying Culver and so are the Cavs(If they don't get Barrett).

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We can offer Culver in a way Atlanta can’t (since we pick ahead of them), but I. D.o.n.t know what else we’d have to offer. They want complementary pieces and unless they really like Dunn or Denzel, there doesn’t seem to be a great secondary piece.

Not to mention RJ’s fit on this team is very suspect.

Good point about the Atlanta thing. But I imagine the Knicks would want picks more than players considering they need all the cap space they can get for free agents.

But speaking on the Barrett and his fit with our team. We are in no position to factor fit over talent at this point in our rebuild. Barrett has his warts but he's a hard worker, loves the spotlight, and has a good head on his shoulder. The kid is only 18 and showed so much at Duke. And even if Barrett isn't the guy, we could draft Garland instead.

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I agree with you in regards to every other prospect but Barrett. I like the foundation here and don’t see where Barrett fits. If LaVine were gone I’d feel differently (and I want to keep LaVine). And maybe if the Bulls had #3 and didn’t have to add anything I’d suck it up and try it out. But adding significant assets to experiment makes no sense when there will be quality players at 7