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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1261 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:59 pm

GreenBlooded wrote:With the changes to the Kuminga situation, most notable that he's willing to accept a 4 year deal starting at $20m and GS getting weak offers, I hope the Celtics are checking in. A deal centered around Simons for Kuminga could be a big win.

The Celtics become hard capped at the first Apron, there would need to be some gymnastics prior to.
Simons and Niang for Kuminga at 4/80 or a deal starting 20 would do it. GS has some room under the 1st Apron where they would also be hardcapped. If he’s willing take a deal starting at 20 then it’s possible. Question is ….would that be a good deal for the Celtics. I assume GS wants a FRP.
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Post#1262 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:23 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:I mean who knows? Celtics eventually have to solve their center situation for 2026/2027. Queta, Garza, A Williams and Tillman are not championship level big men. Will be interesting to see who the Celtics big man target is over the next few years.

Let's keep in mind that Kevon Looney and Udonis Haslem (averaging like 4 PPG) were starting centers for championship teams.

I think it's possible that Queta could develop into a guy who can at least be in the ballpark of what guys like Looney and Haslem brought the table for those teams.

If Garza hits, he could be like a Vucevic/Olynyk type..odds are low, but he hasn't really gotten the opportunity yet..he will here. It's a non-zero chance that he hits.

Tillman I'm pretty much over him and want us to trade dump him but there's also a non-zero chance he could return to his old form when he was starting games and playing well in the playoffs for Memphis and locking up Luka and hitting 3's in the finals for us.

Amari, who knows. He's yet to play an NBA game so I wouldn't write him off yet. He was a 2nd round pick but so was Mitchell Robinson, Hartenstein, Zubac, etc. Naz Reid was undrafted. It's a non-zero chance he could end up being the guy.

This season will certainly tell us more about how good these guys will end up being in a Celtic uniform. If by the end of the season, it's clear that none of them can be a starter for a title team, you can always go find someone else next summer.


The Celtics don't have Steph Curry, LeBron or DWade... They need a good center.

Eh, not really. Steph Curry was 34 yrs old when he won that title with Looney as his center. Tatum at age 29 will be comparable in terms of 2-way ability. Steph was only 8th in MVP voting during the 21-22 season. Tatum was 6th. And the Warriors 2nd best player was Klay or Draymond...both up there in age. JB and White will be comparable to them.
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Post#1263 » by CelticFaninLBC » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:25 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:I mean who knows? Celtics eventually have to solve their center situation for 2026/2027. Queta, Garza, A Williams and Tillman are not championship level big men. Will be interesting to see who the Celtics big man target is over the next few years.


Yep, they need a big upgrade at the 5 to contend in the future and perhaps they attain that upgrade in 2025/2026 by dealing Simons, Hauser, etc...


Not necessarily true if you have multiple scoring threats. OKC, Pacers, Mavs, GSW, Suns, Raps, Bucks, Cavs didn't have dominant bigs to either win or contend for a championship. Those teams are the one's the last decade who made it. Denver had the big that everybody dreams of.


The Celtics don't have Shai, Dirk, Steph, Kawhi, Giannis and Lebron.

Unless Tatum plays like a superstar in the Finals, they need a solid center, like Big Al.

The Pacers haven't won a title, so not sure why they're listed...
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Post#1264 » by CelticFaninLBC » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:26 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Let's keep in mind that Kevon Looney and Udonis Haslem (averaging like 4 PPG) were starting centers for championship teams.

I think it's possible that Queta could develop into a guy who can at least be in the ballpark of what guys like Looney and Haslem brought the table for those teams.

If Garza hits, he could be like a Vucevic/Olynyk type..odds are low, but he hasn't really gotten the opportunity yet..he will here. It's a non-zero chance that he hits.

Tillman I'm pretty much over him and want us to trade dump him but there's also a non-zero chance he could return to his old form when he was starting games and playing well in the playoffs for Memphis and locking up Luka and hitting 3's in the finals for us.

Amari, who knows. He's yet to play an NBA game so I wouldn't write him off yet. He was a 2nd round pick but so was Mitchell Robinson, Hartenstein, Zubac, etc. Naz Reid was undrafted. It's a non-zero chance he could end up being the guy.

This season will certainly tell us more about how good these guys will end up being in a Celtic uniform. If by the end of the season, it's clear that none of them can be a starter for a title team, you can always go find someone else next summer.


The Celtics don't have Steph Curry, LeBron or DWade... They need a good center.

Eh, not really. Steph Curry was 34 yrs old when he won that title with Looney as his center. Tatum at age 29 will be comparable in terms of 2-way ability. Steph was only 8th in MVP voting during the 21-22 season. Tatum was 6th. And the Warriors 2nd best player was Klay or Draymond...both up there in age. JB and White will be comparable to them.


Curry killed them in that series.
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Post#1265 » by 165bows » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:44 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
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The Celtics don't have Steph Curry, LeBron or DWade... They need a good center.

Eh, not really. Steph Curry was 34 yrs old when he won that title with Looney as his center. Tatum at age 29 will be comparable in terms of 2-way ability. Steph was only 8th in MVP voting during the 21-22 season. Tatum was 6th. And the Warriors 2nd best player was Klay or Draymond...both up there in age. JB and White will be comparable to them.


Curry killed them in that series.

Celtics rode a good defense to the Finals but Rob got hurt and was limited, and Curry is one guy who can just score regardless of the defense.

Otoh the offense stunk and they had tons of guys with no ability to do anything on offense unless it was spoon-fed for them and JT/JB just weren't up to that, especially with the league gifting that physical defensive style from the refs.
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Post#1266 » by CelticFaninLBC » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:48 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Eh, not really. Steph Curry was 34 yrs old when he won that title with Looney as his center. Tatum at age 29 will be comparable in terms of 2-way ability. Steph was only 8th in MVP voting during the 21-22 season. Tatum was 6th. And the Warriors 2nd best player was Klay or Draymond...both up there in age. JB and White will be comparable to them.


Curry killed them in that series.

Celtics rode a good defense to the Finals but Rob got hurt and was limited, and Curry is one guy who can just score regardless of the defense.

Otoh the offense stunk and they had tons of guys with no ability to do anything on offense unless it was spoon-fed for them and JT/JB just weren't up to that, especially with the league gifting that physical defensive style from the refs.


Yep, defense was great. Big Al had some big moments in the Milwaukee series... Tatum had a poor Finals and Curry was much better than JT..
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Post#1267 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:58 pm

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Yep, they need a big upgrade at the 5 to contend in the future and perhaps they attain that upgrade in 2025/2026 by dealing Simons, Hauser, etc...


Not necessarily true if you have multiple scoring threats. OKC, Pacers, Mavs, GSW, Suns, Raps, Bucks, Cavs didn't have dominant bigs to either win or contend for a championship. Those teams are the one's the last decade who made it. Denver had the big that everybody dreams of.


The Celtics don't have Shai, Dirk, Steph, Kawhi, Giannis and Lebron.

Unless Tatum plays like a superstar in the Finals, they need a solid center, like Big Al.

The Pacers haven't won a title, so not sure why they're listed...

Basketball is a team game. I wouldn't fixate too much on how good our starting center is or how good Tatum is compared to guys like LeBron or SGA.

That puts too much emphasis on singular player/position. But it's a team game. Spots 9-15 on your roster don't matter that much. But the top 8 spots *all* matter, as does the head coach. 8 rotation guys + 1 HC = 9 people. All 9 of them matter. We shouldn't overemphasize 1 of them.

Bottom line, to win a championship all you really need is:

-A star who's a top 9 player in the league (Steph was 8th in MVP voting when GS won 2022 title, Kawhi was 9th in MVP voting the year TOR won title). Obviously the higher your best player is ranked, the better your chances are. But once he's back healthy, Tatum should be in that 4-7 range for at least 2 or 3 more seasons. That's our 2-3 season window to win another title.

-A team that collectively (players 1-8 plus your HC) has 9 guys who have enough talent on both ends of the floor to have a chance to be the best in the league

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Post#1268 » by phincsfan » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:25 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Yep, they need a big upgrade at the 5 to contend in the future and perhaps they attain that upgrade in 2025/2026 by dealing Simons, Hauser, etc...


Not necessarily true if you have multiple scoring threats. OKC, Pacers, Mavs, GSW, Suns, Raps, Bucks, Cavs didn't have dominant bigs to either win or contend for a championship. Those teams are the one's the last decade who made it. Denver had the big that everybody dreams of.


The Celtics don't have Shai, Dirk, Steph, Kawhi, Giannis and Lebron.

Unless Tatum plays like a superstar in the Finals, they need a solid center, like Big Al.

The Pacers haven't won a title, so not sure why they're listed...


Those teams competed for the title in the finals over the last 10 years.

Suns also didn't win a championship.

I clearly put "either win of contend for a championship".
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Post#1269 » by bucknersrevenge » Fri Aug 1, 2025 12:30 am

Well...I guess someone's gotta be the contrarian here.

Think Bulpett, and a lot of these people are working with "expired information" as it relates to moving Simons. Bulpett isn't as clued in with Brad as he was with Danny. There was a time when Brad was trying to move him, but I think he sees the writing on the wall, and there's no market there. Don't think he does anything before the season starts either. If something falls in his lap, sure, but I wouldn't expect any 11th-hour deal from him before the season begins. He said in his presser that getting under the tax wasn't important. Just the 2nd apron. I think he'll wait and see how Simons fits in with this group. At the deadline, if something falls in his lap, fine, but if it doesn't, he's not just gonna let Simons walk at the end and lose a perfectly good salary slot when he knows that we aren't a FA destination. No, he'll extend Simons for like 3/81M and ride that for at least a year with him while seeing what shakes with the Big situation this season and then see where we might trade some of the other guys if needed for a big upgrade. Certainly wouldn't be surprised to be wrong, but I see both Niang and Simons here for at least a couple of years. It's gonna be guys like Hauser, Walsh, and Scheierman that get moved.
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Post#1270 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Aug 1, 2025 12:40 am

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Not necessarily true if you have multiple scoring threats. OKC, Pacers, Mavs, GSW, Suns, Raps, Bucks, Cavs didn't have dominant bigs to either win or contend for a championship. Those teams are the one's the last decade who made it. Denver had the big that everybody dreams of.


The Celtics don't have Shai, Dirk, Steph, Kawhi, Giannis and Lebron.

Unless Tatum plays like a superstar in the Finals, they need a solid center, like Big Al.

The Pacers haven't won a title, so not sure why they're listed...

Basketball is a team game. I wouldn't fixate too much on how good our starting center is or how good Tatum is compared to guys like LeBron or SGA.

That puts too much emphasis on singular player/position. But it's a team game. Spots 9-15 on your roster don't matter that much. But the top 8 spots *all* matter, as does the head coach. 8 rotation guys + 1 HC = 9 people. All 9 of them matter. We shouldn't overemphasize 1 of them.

Bottom line, to win a championship all you really need is:

-A star who's a top 9 player in the league (Steph was 8th in MVP voting when GS won 2022 title, Kawhi was 9th in MVP voting the year TOR won title). Obviously the higher your best player is ranked, the better your chances are. But once he's back healthy, Tatum should be in that 4-7 range for at least 2 or 3 more seasons. That's our 2-3 season window to win another title.

-A team that collectively (players 1-8 plus your HC) has 9 guys who have enough talent on both ends of the floor to have a chance to be the best in the league

That's it.


The majority of titles have been won by teams with superstars. There's a small group of teams that have won without superstars... Tatum hasn't proven to be a superstar yet. Hopefully he does in the future...
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Post#1271 » by brackdan70 » Fri Aug 1, 2025 2:35 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
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The Celtics don't have Shai, Dirk, Steph, Kawhi, Giannis and Lebron.

Unless Tatum plays like a superstar in the Finals, they need a solid center, like Big Al.

The Pacers haven't won a title, so not sure why they're listed...

Basketball is a team game. I wouldn't fixate too much on how good our starting center is or how good Tatum is compared to guys like LeBron or SGA.

That puts too much emphasis on singular player/position. But it's a team game. Spots 9-15 on your roster don't matter that much. But the top 8 spots *all* matter, as does the head coach. 8 rotation guys + 1 HC = 9 people. All 9 of them matter. We shouldn't overemphasize 1 of them.

Bottom line, to win a championship all you really need is:

-A star who's a top 9 player in the league (Steph was 8th in MVP voting when GS won 2022 title, Kawhi was 9th in MVP voting the year TOR won title). Obviously the higher your best player is ranked, the better your chances are. But once he's back healthy, Tatum should be in that 4-7 range for at least 2 or 3 more seasons. That's our 2-3 season window to win another title.

-A team that collectively (players 1-8 plus your HC) has 9 guys who have enough talent on both ends of the floor to have a chance to be the best in the league

That's it.


The majority of titles have been won by teams with superstars. There's a small group of teams that have won without superstars... Tatum hasn't proven to be a superstar yet. Hopefully he does in the future...

How do you define superstar? Tatum has been a first team all NBA guy for 4 seasons. Top 6 in MVP voting for 4 seasons. If he isn’t a superstar he is damn close. How he is after recovery of course remains to be seen.
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Post#1272 » by Hal14 » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:22 pm

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CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Basketball is a team game. I wouldn't fixate too much on how good our starting center is or how good Tatum is compared to guys like LeBron or SGA.

That puts too much emphasis on singular player/position. But it's a team game. Spots 9-15 on your roster don't matter that much. But the top 8 spots *all* matter, as does the head coach. 8 rotation guys + 1 HC = 9 people. All 9 of them matter. We shouldn't overemphasize 1 of them.

Bottom line, to win a championship all you really need is:

-A star who's a top 9 player in the league (Steph was 8th in MVP voting when GS won 2022 title, Kawhi was 9th in MVP voting the year TOR won title). Obviously the higher your best player is ranked, the better your chances are. But once he's back healthy, Tatum should be in that 4-7 range for at least 2 or 3 more seasons. That's our 2-3 season window to win another title.

-A team that collectively (players 1-8 plus your HC) has 9 guys who have enough talent on both ends of the floor to have a chance to be the best in the league

That's it.


The majority of titles have been won by teams with superstars. There's a small group of teams that have won without superstars... Tatum hasn't proven to be a superstar yet. Hopefully he does in the future...

How do you define superstar? Tatum has been a first team all NBA guy for 4 seasons. Top 6 in MVP voting for 4 seasons. If he isn’t a superstar he is damn close. How he is after recovery of course remains to be seen.

I think LBC is the only one on the planet who doesn't consider Tatum to be a superstar.
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Post#1273 » by 165bows » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:29 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:Well...I guess someone's gotta be the contrarian here.

Think Bulpett, and a lot of these people are working with "expired information" as it relates to moving Simons. Bulpett isn't as clued in with Brad as he was with Danny. There was a time when Brad was trying to move him, but I think he sees the writing on the wall, and there's no market there. Don't think he does anything before the season starts either. If something falls in his lap, sure, but I wouldn't expect any 11th-hour deal from him before the season begins. He said in his presser that getting under the tax wasn't important. Just the 2nd apron. I think he'll wait and see how Simons fits in with this group. At the deadline, if something falls in his lap, fine, but if it doesn't, he's not just gonna let Simons walk at the end and lose a perfectly good salary slot when he knows that we aren't a FA destination. No, he'll extend Simons for like 3/81M and ride that for at least a year with him while seeing what shakes with the Big situation this season and then see where we might trade some of the other guys if needed for a big upgrade. Certainly wouldn't be surprised to be wrong, but I see both Niang and Simons here for at least a couple of years. It's gonna be guys like Hauser, Walsh, and Scheierman that get moved.

I think it's gotten really clear over the past few months that Brad covers his bases and isn't going to, or at least is very averse to, getting caught without at the minimum some decent warm bodies that the team likes at some baseline level.

So I don't expect Simons to be around long term past the deadline, Niang might stick for a year or two, but bringing them in fits Brad's MO way more than some salary filler dudes just to make the numbers work. That just hasn't been the way he has worked.
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Post#1274 » by Hal14 » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:50 pm

If we start the season with the roster as is, here's what I think the rotation would look like:

C Queta
F Hauser
F JB
G simons
G white

6th man: Pritchard
Rotation: Niang, Garza

That could be the primary 8 man rotation. But we're obviously gonna play more than just 8 guys. That 9th spot should get a good amount of playing time, with that spot being a battle for mins between Baylor, Hugo, Minott and Walsh..

Then you've got Tillman and Amari competing for mins as the 3rd big. Tillman can play some at the 4 if we want to go double big..Niang might play some small ball 5

Shulga and Norris will probably just be in Maine..unless we really need them to fill in if we get hit with injuries, guys sitting out back to backs and stuff..

We'll probably be somewhere in like the 6-10 range in terms of eastern conference seeding..
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Post#1276 » by bfchs123 » Fri Aug 1, 2025 6:51 pm

Hal14 wrote:If we start the season with the roster as is, here's what I think the rotation would look like:

C Queta
F Hauser
F JB
G simons
G white/

6th man: Pritchard
Rotation: Niang, Garza

That could be the primary 8 man rotation. But we're obviously gonna play more than just 8 guys. That 9th spot should get a good amount of playing time, with that spot being a battle for mins between Baylor, Hugo, Minott and Walsh..

Then you've got Tillman and Amari competing for mins as the 3rd big. Tillman can play some at the 4 if we want to go double big..Niang might play some small ball 5

Shulga and Norris will probably just be in Maine..unless we really need them to fill in if we get hit with injuries, guys sitting out back to backs and stuff..

We'll probably be somewhere in like the 6-10 range in terms of eastern conference seeding..


I'm kind of thinking they elevate PP to the starting PG slot since he is the only true PG and he has Joe's trust. I think Simons is the microwave bench scorer and Hauser is too small to play PF as the starter (matchup dependent) so he comes off the bench too

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PG Pritchard (30) / Simons (18)
SG White (32) / Simons (10) / Scheierman (6)
SF Brown (32) / Hauser (12) / Walsh (4)
PF Niang (20) / Hauser (14) / Walsh (5) / Minott (5) / Tillman? (4)
C Queta (20) / Garza (15) / Tillman? Amari? (13)

We'll see though, just guessing! Feels like we are way undersized, those PF and C minutes are brutal
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Post#1277 » by Shak_Celts » Fri Aug 1, 2025 8:06 pm

I watched Garza’s college highlight last night, he had one move that he easily made every time. Literally the same move for most of the 8 min video. I’ll describe it, but I don’t really know basketball terms, it was a backdown from the left(?) block and layup off the glass. EVERY PLAY. It was a highlight video but most of it seemed too easy for him, like they could have done that all night and been successful. If he couldn’t defend, it had to be a speed issue because he wasn’t wasting energy on offense.

He looked slow as molasses. Every time he dunked he’d drop down and look like he tweaked his knee every single time, then he’d head back on D looking like an old guy at the Y! I swear the landing from the dunks looked like it was a CHORE! I wanted to ask if he was okay every time, and it wasn’t like he landed from far out the air, all he had to do was put his feet down. LMAO

If we drafted him back then I would have been asking why. He really looked boring and old. Like he had to rev up before he could run down court. Ever seen a dad try and race his sons? Yeah, exactly that, his spirit took off before his body. He ran the floor looking like it was his first attempt in years. Somehow barely winning the race and saying, “Old dad’s still got it huh?!” :lol:

I wasn’t impressed. Bodes well for him eventually being a good role player. If I like you a lot immediately, you’re doomed. I hit once a decade (on a Celtics pick)! Not one 2nd rounder! :lol:

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Post#1279 » by Half-Full » Fri Aug 1, 2025 10:08 pm

Hal14 wrote:If we start the season with the roster as is, here's what I think the rotation would look like:

C Queta
F Hauser
F JB
G simons
G white

6th man: Pritchard
Rotation: Niang, Garza

That could be the primary 8 man rotation. But we're obviously gonna play more than just 8 guys. That 9th spot should get a good amount of playing time, with that spot being a battle for mins between Baylor, Hugo, Minott and Walsh..

Then you've got Tillman and Amari competing for mins as the 3rd big. Tillman can play some at the 4 if we want to go double big..Niang might play some small ball 5

Shulga and Norris will probably just be in Maine..unless we really need them to fill in if we get hit with injuries, guys sitting out back to backs and stuff..

We'll probably be somewhere in like the 6-10 range in terms of eastern conference seeding..


This is my take as well, though it wouldn't surprise me if Joe opts to start Pritchard instead of Simons. I think Pritchard has earned a starting spot, and why not keep him happy, especially if there is no plan to keep Simons.
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I don't see how Kessler can warrant a haul like that. Not convinced he is better than Queta to begin with.

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