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Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:26 pm
by M-C-G
ReasonablySober wrote:How did the C's not trump this!?!



Seems obvious, they wouldn't give up a BKN pick for him.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:27 pm
by BucksPackers
Ron Swanson wrote:Celtics could have beat that Pelicans offer even if they didn't include the Nets 1st. I think it's absolutely fair to criticize Ainge for being cheap here. He talks a big game but he routinely overvalues and clings to his mediocre assets until they lose any value they once had. If that was indeed Cousins' going rate, there's a feasible possibility that the Celtics could have gotten both Cousins AND Butler without compromising their entire core.



If I was a celtics fan I would be very upset. I mean I think they would rather have boogie than Butler.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:27 pm
by Prince12
BucksPackers wrote:
chonestown wrote:
Pistons attempted a deal with Andre Drummond to the Kings for DeMarcus Cousins. Kings said no. (Via Michael Scotto - Basketball Insiders)


http://deadspin.com/just-what-the-hell-were-the-kings-thinking-1792548035

Not so good, Bob.



Not sure which is better heild and 2 first or Drummond.


1 first, 1 second and heild.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:28 pm
by M-C-G
Ron Swanson wrote:Celtics could have beat that Pelicans offer even if they didn't include the Nets 1st. I think it's absolutely fair to criticize Ainge for being cheap here. He talks a big game but he routinely overvalues and clings to his mediocre assets until they lose any value they once had. If that was indeed Cousins' going rate, there's a feasible possibility that the Celtics could have gotten both Cousins AND Butler without compromising their entire core.



I agree with everything you said, but what does a 200M Boogie do to your franchise? Limits every move you can make going forward and that is a hell of a lot of money for a guy you don't really know that well with a lot of question marks surrounding him.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:29 pm
by paulpressey25
ReasonablySober wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:How did the C's not trump this!?!


Ainge understands the lessons of Anthony Mason.


LOL what?


Like the Packers, the C's have a great culture going here and can use those Nets picks to get their superstar (or trade for a better and sane fit in Butler). They don't have to bring in a disruptive nutcase, no matter how talented.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:30 pm
by BucksPackers
M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Celtics could have beat that Pelicans offer even if they didn't include the Nets 1st. I think it's absolutely fair to criticize Ainge for being cheap here. He talks a big game but he routinely overvalues and clings to his mediocre assets until they lose any value they once had. If that was indeed Cousins' going rate, there's a feasible possibility that the Celtics could have gotten both Cousins AND Butler without compromising their entire core.



I agree with everything you said, but what does a 200M Boogie do to your franchise? Limits every move you can make going forward and that is a hell of a lot of money for a guy you don't really know that well with a lot of question marks surrounding him.



Can the pelicans afford Boogie and AD?

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:31 pm
by ReasonablySober
paulpressey25 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
Ainge understands the lessons of Anthony Mason.


LOL what?


Like the Packers, the C's have a great culture going here and can use those Nets picks to get their superstar (or trade for a better and sane fit in Butler). They don't have to bring in a disruptive nutcase, no matter how talented.


Randy Moss would have been pretty great in Green Bay.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:32 pm
by BucksPackers
ReasonablySober wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
LOL what?


Like the Packers, the C's have a great culture going here and can use those Nets picks to get their superstar (or trade for a better and sane fit in Butler). They don't have to bring in a disruptive nutcase, no matter how talented.


Randy Moss would have been pretty great in Green Bay.



The packers need a nutcase someone to light a fire under some people butts. Especially on that defense.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:32 pm
by paulpressey25
ReasonablySober wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
LOL what?


Like the Packers, the C's have a great culture going here and can use those Nets picks to get their superstar (or trade for a better and sane fit in Butler). They don't have to bring in a disruptive nutcase, no matter how talented.


Randy Moss would have been pretty great in Green Bay.


At that point we didn't need to pay Randy Moss $200 million guaranteed

ETA: the opportunity cost for the Celtics was $180 million and a top four pick in a loaded draft versus a 4th rounder and a NG contract in Moss.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:33 pm
by Prince12
So whats the rule now anyway, didn't AD sign 5/140 or something like that? Does this mean Boogie can only sign for 4 or does that supermax rule mean he can still sign a 5/200ish?

Re: RE: Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:33 pm
by emunney
M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Celtics could have beat that Pelicans offer even if they didn't include the Nets 1st. I think it's absolutely fair to criticize Ainge for being cheap here. He talks a big game but he routinely overvalues and clings to his mediocre assets until they lose any value they once had. If that was indeed Cousins' going rate, there's a feasible possibility that the Celtics could have gotten both Cousins AND Butler without compromising their entire core.



I agree with everything you said, but what does a 200M Boogie do to your franchise? Limits every move you can make going forward and that is a hell of a lot of money for a guy you don't really know that well with a lot of question marks surrounding him.

The 200+m deal was only possible with the Kings.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:34 pm
by crkone
Prince12 wrote:So whats the rule now anyway, didn't AD sign 5/140 or something like that? Does this mean Boogie can only sign for 4 or does that supermax rule mean he can still sign a 5/200ish?


Boogie can't get the supermax. His max is in the order of 5 year $180 mil. He has options if he doesn't sign an extension this summer.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:34 pm
by chonestown
BucksPackers wrote:
chonestown wrote:
Pistons attempted a deal with Andre Drummond to the Kings for DeMarcus Cousins. Kings said no. (Via Michael Scotto - Basketball Insiders)


http://deadspin.com/just-what-the-hell-were-the-kings-thinking-1792548035

Not so good, Bob.



Not sure which is better heild and 2 first or Drummond.


Pels just got one 1st in the deal.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:35 pm
by Ron Swanson
M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Celtics could have beat that Pelicans offer even if they didn't include the Nets 1st. I think it's absolutely fair to criticize Ainge for being cheap here. He talks a big game but he routinely overvalues and clings to his mediocre assets until they lose any value they once had. If that was indeed Cousins' going rate, there's a feasible possibility that the Celtics could have gotten both Cousins AND Butler without compromising their entire core.



I agree with everything you said, but what does a 200M Boogie do to your franchise? Limits every move you can make going forward and that is a hell of a lot of money for a guy you don't really know that well with a lot of question marks surrounding him.


You still have an ample window this offseason to make moves when IT and Cousins are still on their bargain contracts though. That Horford contract though....

Re: RE: Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:35 pm
by M-C-G
emunney wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Celtics could have beat that Pelicans offer even if they didn't include the Nets 1st. I think it's absolutely fair to criticize Ainge for being cheap here. He talks a big game but he routinely overvalues and clings to his mediocre assets until they lose any value they once had. If that was indeed Cousins' going rate, there's a feasible possibility that the Celtics could have gotten both Cousins AND Butler without compromising their entire core.



I agree with everything you said, but what does a 200M Boogie do to your franchise? Limits every move you can make going forward and that is a hell of a lot of money for a guy you don't really know that well with a lot of question marks surrounding him.

The 200+m deal was only possible with the Kings.



Thanks, but I think my comment still stands at 180M Boogie

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:35 pm
by Max Green
Chuck Diesel wrote:I'd offer Henson to the Kings for Lawrence Funderburke ASAP.


I almost spit my drink out at this.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:35 pm
by worthlessBucks
That deals seems too light.

Guess Nola is out on Okafor, hopefully bone has called. Maybe Ainge would take a less expensive Monroe.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:37 pm
by emunney
M-C-G wrote:
emunney wrote:
M-C-G wrote:

I agree with everything you said, but what does a 200M Boogie do to your franchise? Limits every move you can make going forward and that is a hell of a lot of money for a guy you don't really know that well with a lot of question marks surrounding him.

The 200+m deal was only possible with the Kings.



Thanks, but I think my comment still stands at 180M Boogie

You don't think he's a max guy? I mean, obviously, a ton of teams must agree with you - unless this is all based around Vivek's infatuation with Buddy.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:39 pm
by LUKE23
I cannot believe how bad that trade is for SAC. No additional salary cleared, only one first, and Hield as the centerpiece? Wow. I know Boogie has issues, but I bet he settles down next to AD and they murder together.

Re: ATL: Around the League 2017 season -Boogie to Pelicans pg 57

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:39 pm
by SirChurros
Holy ****, this Boogie deal is awful. Should get vetoed.