Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[Zasterror]

Off the sheer fact that he is no where near an impactful or versatile of a defender than JJ, Blake has no place here.

[G.cracker]

Suns have a max offer 4 year $120 on table for Blake. DO NOT WANT

[J-House]

It has to be a good sign that a top FA has only 3 visits and we're one of them.

[heater4life]

Writers here seem to assume that if we get Hayward we would want JJ and that if we get Blake we would want Dion.

I actually hope we get Hayward and Dion. I want Hayward to be a stretch 4 next to Whiteside. I think traditional pfs are irrelevant in today's NBA and guys like Garnett, Duncan etc are all centers in today's game.

I want:

Dragic
Waiters
Justise
Hayward
Goatside

I don't trust Dion with that roster construction. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. With Whiteside, Hayward, and Dragic running the point, Dion becomes that whinny spot up shooter who forces bad shots we saw in Cleveland.

It wouldnt be fair to our team nor to him.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Off the sheer fact that he is no where near an impactful or versatile of a defender than JJ, Blake has no place here.

Defense rebound % JJ: 16.6% Blake: 20.2%
Defensive Win Shares JJ: 3.8 Blake 2.4
Defense Box +/- JJ: 2.8 Blake: 1.3
Block% JJ: 3.2% Blake: 0.9% (only category JJ got him beat by alot)
Steal% JJ: 1.8% Blake: 1.4%

Blake is in the same caliber of defender as JJ. Of course you won't stick Blake on guards but that why we have Winslow, Rich and Mcgruder

[Jonathan2323]

What if Heat sign Gordon Hayward and then Paul George tells everyone he would only resign with Miami or LA. Still think PG is still in play for Heat if we somehow get GH.

[greg4012]

Writers here seem to assume that if we get Hayward we would want JJ and that if we get Blake we would want Dion.

I actually hope we get Hayward and Dion. I want Hayward to be a stretch 4 next to Whiteside. I think traditional pfs are irrelevant in today's NBA and guys like Garnett, Duncan etc are all centers in today's game.

I want:

Dragic
Waiters
Justise
Hayward
Goatside

I don't trust Dion with that roster construction. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. With Whiteside, Hayward, and Dragic running the point, Dion becomes that whinny spot up shooter who forces bad shots we saw in Cleveland.

It wouldnt be fair to our team nor to him.

Totally agree. Dion's success is largely based on having near free reign to have high usage. His best seasons were his 2 highest usage seasons. If we're able to add Hayward, James Johnson is the guy to keep. Hayward himself will serve as a secondary ballhandler/playmaker. James Johnson has the versatility to be a point forward/center off the bench.

Dragic - TJ
Richardson - TJ / McGruder
Hayward - Winslow / McGruder
Justise - JJ
Whiteside - Bam

That squad has such a nice mix of complementary skillsets. That squad is super versatile and will produce some beautiful bball.

[PizzaLord305]

Fireworks tonight y'all! My hope is that Hayward decides by Tuesday, that way we have time to still negotiate with mion and jj if we strike out with him.

I'm the biggest Winslow apologist, I know, but if we get Hayward and start those guys at the 2 and the 3, winslows gotta step up big this upcoming year. He's gotta be able to fill the void in lineups that include mostly bench guys as the point forward cause jj will be gone. Him and tj played well together in those lineups at the beginning of the year, winslows gotta be more aggressive and confident. Frankly, I think winslows gonna be better this year than jj was last year anyway.

[HeatIn5]

Still not a fan of the guys game for several reasons and his injury history is a concern. I'd rather resign a guy like JJ who already knows how the system works and thrived last year under it.

Totally agree on the injury history. However, I'm very interested to hear what these several reasons about his specific game are that you don't like.

I don't like his footwook. His post game has issues at times. I don't like his jumper. He is not as good of a defender as JJ and if he is, I have yet to see video on it. He doesn't show up in crunch time. This is not a guy I want to give the max too. I'd rather resign Waiters and JJ. With Blake we can fill the void at PF, but we lose a reliable 2 guard in Waiter. Who is going to replace him? Do you want J-Rich to fill that spot? No thanks.

Fair enough. I personally would like JJ too because it would allow us to add more pieces (we will have to win with depth, can't outshoot GS).

However the thought of Blake is kinda exciting

[HEATVols865]

When Tjs contract jumps up to 19M next season we won't have space to sign anyone of substance.

Lebatard = caca

That contract will be worst than Eddie Jones' albatroz that we could never get rid of.
Maybe we should stretch TJ, not McBob...


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[HEATVols865]

LOL just got the alert from CBS SpOrts that we may try to get in the Ibaka sweepstakes lol


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[HEATVols865]

Ibaka would be Riley's modern version of PJ Brown...haha


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[Wolfy1983]

Writers here seem to assume that if we get Hayward we would want JJ and that if we get Blake we would want Dion.

I actually hope we get Hayward and Dion. I want Hayward to be a stretch 4 next to Whiteside. I think traditional pfs are irrelevant in today's NBA and guys like Garnett, Duncan etc are all centers in today's game.

I want:

Dragic
Waiters
Justise
Hayward
Goatside

I don't trust Dion with that roster construction. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. With Whiteside, Hayward, and Dragic running the point, Dion becomes that whinny spot up shooter who forces bad shots we saw in Cleveland.

It wouldnt be fair to our team nor to him.

Waiters showed more than just being a spot up shooter. The guy improved tremendously at finishing at the basket. J-Rich is not starting 2-guard material. He doesn't have the handles to be one.

[RexBoyWonder]

Blake is a very good player, i think we can all agree on that.

but considering that :

1. He's 29 YO.
2 He's very injury prone
3. Hell command the absoulte max
4. is skillset isn't a great fit next to Whiteside or Winslow.
5. We have pther options (JJ, Justise at PF, mybe Bam)

I'd say he's not the hero we need. not for his price, not this roster, not right now.

[twix2500]

Blake is a very good player, i think we can all agree on that.

but considering that :

1. He's 29 YO.
2 He's very injury prone
3. Hell command the absoulte max
4. is skillset isn't a great fit next to Whiteside or Winslow.
5. We have pther options (JJ, Justise at PF, mybe Bam)

I'd say he's not the hero we need. not for his price, not this roster, not right now.

The only thing I disagree is you are not bringing a star to compliment anyone. Thats what Role players are for. If Blake, Whiteside and Dragic are your core players then you bring in role players who compliment them.

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[Wolfy1983]

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[HEATVols865]

Writers here seem to assume that if we get Hayward we would want JJ and that if we get Blake we would want Dion.

I actually hope we get Hayward and Dion. I want Hayward to be a stretch 4 next to Whiteside. I think traditional pfs are irrelevant in today's NBA and guys like Garnett, Duncan etc are all centers in today's game.

I want:

Dragic
Waiters
Justise
Hayward
Goatside

I don't trust Dion with that roster construction. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. With Whiteside, Hayward, and Dragic running the point, Dion becomes that whinny spot up shooter who forces bad shots we saw in Cleveland.

It wouldnt be fair to our team nor to him.

Waiters showed more than just being a spot up shooter. The guy improved tremendously at finishing at the basket. J-Rich is not starting 2-guard material. He doesn't have the handles to be one.

J-Rich is starter material. He's just not a primary or secondary scorer on any team.
He would be a much better starter at the 2 for the Cavs than JR Smith or Shumpert.


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[Flash4thewin]

Suns have a max offer 4 year $120 on table for Blake. DO NOT WANT

Well the Suns have an excellent medical team so thats really not an issue i think. Remember we will be paying TJ basically 20 mil for the next two season, Blake for 10 mil more is a no brainer.

Think about it the Suns would be Booker, Josh Jackson, Blake and Bledsoe with more young talent and draft picks. The irony is had we tanked and picked Booker over Winslow just think about it.

Dragic
Booker
Josh Jackson
Blake
Whiteside

[greg4012]

Writers here seem to assume that if we get Hayward we would want JJ and that if we get Blake we would want Dion.

I actually hope we get Hayward and Dion. I want Hayward to be a stretch 4 next to Whiteside. I think traditional pfs are irrelevant in today's NBA and guys like Garnett, Duncan etc are all centers in today's game.

I want:

Dragic
Waiters
Justise
Hayward
Goatside

I don't trust Dion with that roster construction. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. With Whiteside, Hayward, and Dragic running the point, Dion becomes that whinny spot up shooter who forces bad shots we saw in Cleveland.

It wouldnt be fair to our team nor to him.

Waiters showed more than just being a spot up shooter. The guy improved tremendously at finishing at the basket. J-Rich is not starting 2-guard material. He doesn't have the handles to be one.

This past season Waiters had a FG% at the rim (0-3 feet from basket) of 50.7%. For his career, Waiters ahs a FG% at the rim of 51.9%. Those are bad numbers.

This past season JRich had a FG% at the rim of 55.2%. For his career, JRich has a FG% at the rim of 57.7%.

Your perception of Waiters' ability to finish well at the rim is probably due to him converting some crazy and acrobatic attempts. The problem is, he takes bad shots. When they go in, it's impressive and you feel like you're watching Wade again (career 57% fg % at rim, with his prime years being closer to 70%). BUt, the problem is he misses them way too frequently.

the JRich we saw his rookie year and towards the end of this season is absolutely a starting caliber 2-guard. He's best as an off-ball player and maybe occasional secondary ballhandler. He's 3 and D with upside.

Waiters is obviously the better player now, but in the scenarios we're discussion, skillset complements and roster distribution point towards JRich being a nice fit for us at the 2-spot.

[BFRESH44]

Tyler Johnson's contract is the single most overstated thing on this entire board. We really need stop collectively peddling this narrative that he is some albatross, because it's simply not true.

TJ is an ascending asset. This is not someone trending downward. He's an athletic, 25 year old combo guard, that is a plus defender, that can shoot the 3 at a 38% clip. There is tremendous value for young plus defenders that can shoot 3 at an efficient clip in today's league. This notion that he is some complete albatross is ridiculous. If TJ was an unrestricted free agent in this current free agent market, he would get the same 50 MM over 4 years that he got last year.

He's going to be "bad value" in terms of his salary cap hit, for all of one season. Because if he continues on the trend he's been on, he's almost a near lock to opt out of last year of his deal, to cash in on more years of security. And we will be very fortunate to have his full bird rights by then.