Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

Post #1281 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:02 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I find it odd that Dewayne Dedmon all of a sudden has become this great NBA player in his late-20s the last 2 years that just so happens to coincide with him playing for the two best coaches in the league (Pop, Budenholzer). Did I say odd? I meant entirely predictable, and we shouldn't chase average rotation bigs when they're playing in a contract year and their price is higher than its ever been....

You're barking up the wrong tree. Dedmon was actually better for Orlando - the season before San Antonio - he's just been playing more minutes. And he's signed for another year at 6.3 mil next season - which is a very team-friendly contract. He's probably never had more than a 2 year contract in his life, so he's always in that sense - playing for a contract, and of course he's getting paid more than ever before - he's 28 - in his prime years.

Ron Swanson · Post #1282 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:04 pm

I like Dedmon too, but I'm looking at bigs on rookie or minimum deals that are simply buried on the depth chart. Not a half-season rental (it's a PO that he's for sure opting out of) of a guy whose price is driven up by playing well above his career averages. The Hawks want assets for Dedmon. The Bulls want assets for RoLo.

The Clippers? You could probably just swing a trade exemption for Willie Reed. We once got Spencer Hawes for dumping Miles Plumlee's albatross contract. Hell, I've even seen enough of the lesser Plumlee (11 rebounds per 36 in 189 minutes) to be comfortable with giving him 10-15 minutes a game as opposed to giving up anything whatsoever for some of these proposed journeyman.

LuessiT · Post #1283 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:11 pm

Wonka wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
Wisky4life wrote:Favors, Hood and Dedmon is all we need. Ship out Wilson, Maker, Delly, Telly and Henson

Hood is not a player we need - at all. Also we don't need Favors and Dedmond.

Nice contribution.

We would instantly be better with any real big man, yes, including Dedmon or Favors. Dedmon especially could help take our defense to the next level.

Should have bolded the and. One of Favors Dedmond or basicly any big for that matter just so Thon doesn't get any minutes would be great. 2 bigs would be redundant.

LuessiT · Post #1284 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:13 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I like Dedmon too, but I'm looking at bigs on rookie or minimum deals that are simply buried on the depth chart. Not a half-season rental (it's a PO that he's for sure opting out of) of a guy whose price is driven up by playing well above his career averages. The Hawks want assets for Dedmon. The Bulls want assets for RoLo.

The Clippers? You could probably just swing a trade exemption for Willie Reed. We once got Spencer Hawes for dumping Miles Plumlee's albatross contract. Hell, I've even seen enough of the lesser Plumlee (11 rebounds per 36 in 189 minutes) to be comfortable with giving him 10-15 minutes a game as opposed to giving up anything whatsoever for some of these proposed journeyman.

I'd love Nogueira from the Raptors but he's not the big body we need. Still think he has a lot of talent.

randy84 · Post #1285 » by **randy84** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:15 pm

I still think O'Quinn is the backup to get. And he can be absorbed into our TPE.

LuessiT · Post #1286 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I find it odd that Dewayne Dedmon all of a sudden has become this great NBA player in his late-20s the last 2 years that just so happens to coincide with him playing for the two best coaches in the league (Pop, Budenholzer). Did I say odd? I meant entirely predictable, and we shouldn't chase average rotation bigs when they're playing in a contract year and their price is higher than its ever been....

You're barking up the wrong tree. Dedmon was actually better for Orlando - the season before San Antonio - he's just been playing more minutes. And he's signed for another year at 6.3 mil next season - which is a very team-friendly contract. He's probably never had more than a 2 year contract in his life, so he's always in that sense - playing for a contract, and of course he's getting paid more than ever before - he's 28 - in his prime years.

He has a player option which he probably declines. He's going to get MLE offers imo.

M-C-G · Post #1287 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:17 pm

It has been mentioned a few times but Vonleh is likely available for our TPE to help get Portland under the tax. Would just need to cut Vaughn or Terry and throw back a top 55 or whatever.

Ron Swanson · Post #1288 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:22 pm

I'd be all over Vonleh for a TPE. Would just have to cut Vaughn and we'd still have around 600k of wiggle room below the luxury tax threshold.

Beorn · Post #1289 » by **Beorn** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:27 pm

I'd certainly try to get Will Reed if he's available almost for free. He's productive when called to play, and we can take advantage of the fact that he's been buried under DAJ and Harrell in LAC.

Post #1290 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:32 pm

With OKC losing Roberson and this being a win now for them, was wondering if we could move Tony Snell to OKC. Problem is they have zero contracts that match up well and would make sense for us.

Post #1291 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:38 pm

As you look at the backup C situation the questions are:

a) Can the Bucks make the ECF with a high quality backup C?

b) Who can the Bucks put on the trade block?

Seems to me we've got these assets:

Thon
DJ
Vaughn
Snell (maybe)
Jabari

I'm not up for using Jabari at this point. No one out there is a big enough needle mover for me save for maybe Gasol but not sure he's the right guy given age and temperament. But think you can give up Thon or DJ depending on who is coming back. I'd do a rental of Dedmon because I think it does give you a shot at the ECF.

Ron Swanson · Post #1292 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:41 pm

I don't really see anything desirable on OKC outside of their major pieces. Maybe Patterson + Ferguson? Don't see the reason to trade Snell at all, especially for something like that.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1293 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:42 pm

Why would Willie Reed be available for free?

DingleJerry · Post #1294 » by **DingleJerry** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:47 pm

I think it's totally feasible to make the ECF with a healthy Jabari and any of the backup Cs thrown around here (Reed, KOQ, Willy, Dedmond). With the Cavs being such a mess, anything is possible in the East this year. I can't believe it's been this long and a guy of that nature hasn't been brought in yet, but according to the rumor mill it seems management is trying for the big name moves first, maybe after they give up on DAJ/Whiteside type moves they'll then just grab one of these guys for very little cost.

Post #1295 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:54 pm

DingleJerry wrote: they'll then just grab one of these guys for very little cost.

Every contender out there seems to be having their fanbase whisper "Dedmon" so yeah, there will be competition.

Greg Monroe will be interesting. He'll likely get dealt and bought out. Then head for the Celtics or Cavs.

DingleJerry · Post #1296 » by **DingleJerry** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:58 pm

True, he's probably the most costly one. I actually think Willy would be my target. Seems to be signed for this and two more seasons. Right age to possibly grow with the team and be here for a while. And they barely play him right now, seems off the radar so hopefully wouldn't cost more than a 2nd.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1297 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:06 pm

I think Denver would do Delly & Vaughn for Faried. Two flawed vets on bad contracts, but Faried is an expiring next season. He could give us a different front court look when Henson & Thon are sucking. Think we might benefit from a temporary "I'm not as bad as Mike Malone said I was!" boost from Faried for a few weeks. More importantly, Delly is un-stomachable at his price for three more seasons. The emergence of Sterling Brown has rendered him useless once Brogdon returns.

emunney · Post #1298 » by **emunney** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:08 pm

I'd give a couple 2nds to NY for O'Quinn to be Henson's platoon-mate. Ideal fit. I'd offer Thon or DJ for Wily H. Also a great fit, younger, cost-controlled, but not as good a player yet.

emunney · Post #1299 » by **emunney** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:10 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:I think Denver would do Delly & Vaughn for Faried. Two flawed vets on bad contracts, but Faried is an expiring next season. He could give us a different front court look when Henson & Thon are sucking. Think we might benefit from a temporary "I'm not as bad as Mike Malone said I was!" boost from Faried for a few weeks. More importantly, Delly is un-stomachable at his price for three more seasons. The emergence of Sterling Brown has rendered him useless once Brogdon returns.

Really happy that the emergence of Brown might convince our FO we can move at least one of Delly or Snell, because I think we need to do that regardless.

DingleJerry · Post #1300 » by **DingleJerry** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:12 pm

Willy's per 36 last year when he was getting to play regularly was 16/9 and 73% on FTs. This year is 17/7 but his FTs have gone to trash. Sure, some of the guys mentioned might be better now or a safer bet right now. But this could be the biggest long term upside keeping in mind we can't beat GSW this year anyway. Also, signed for nothing the next two years.