Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice

[greg4012]

Butler era all kinds of funked up. I will not rue the loss of a 37 year old baller wanting a raise. Lowry bent us over last year. Can't let retired ballers get career best money every year. Almost makes me want to flip Butler for youth so we can stop this goddamn mess from going on any longer.

i been calling for a rebuild for awhile now... even the spurs are tanking now to rebuild... we arent gettin mitchell , kyrie, anyone of superstar caliber.... and your not winning in the nba with 1 good player... we are now a treadmill team.

Were the spurs just in game 7 of the conference finals too?

We need to reinforce. The bigger the hit the better. Hopefully we don’t get f*cked by the market

[Vertical Limit]

So what happens next year when herro,Strus, yurt and Vincent need a new contract? This is turning out bad man lol

That’s why we trade Herro before the deadline

If that the case they need to just trade him now while the pot is still hot, or does he need to re prove himself after that terrible playoff run he put together

Yurt .. not sure if hes even gonna be a player in this league.. herro will likely be traded .. strus is a nice player to have in your rotation but we can not overpay for that kind of talent like we did Duncan..

We outbidded ourselves, as we always do, with Duncan.. no one was going to pay him the money his agent stole from Arison..

Hell no one was paying Lowry that money he got either..

We always do this.. whether its tyler johnson, jj, waiters, eddie jones.. brian grant… we always massively overpay but then we ask lebron, bosh and wade to take paycuts lol

[Vertical Limit]

If it wasnt for Miami, strus, duncan, gabe and caleb would all be bagging groceries somewhere… we got to be a lot better at the negotiating table.. seems like spoelstra is able to make a duncan robinson or strus out of anyone almost every other year..

[Wiltside]

Knicks having to dump 2nd rounders, $6mill and change to get off the Burks and Noel deals shows you how tough it’s gonna be to move Duncan.

Honestly, it may be a swap of Bertans for Duncan or something along those lines.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

With Jalen Brunson likely to sign with the Knicks on Thursday, Julius Randle becomes an interesting player to watch moving forward.

New York can create a max salary slot next summer, even with Brunson, by declining team options on veterans and trading away Randle.

At this point I'm ready to just send another FRP to OKC for them to be the 3rd team to take on Duncan so we can just grab Randle and move forward. I actually think Randle would be pretty decent here as a secondary scorer and third best player

[Wiltside]

For those talking about Bam’s deal and questioning the value.

Would you rather pay Bam $28m or Jalen Brunson $25m?

[MettaWorldPanda]

With Jalen Brunson likely to sign with the Knicks on Thursday, Julius Randle becomes an interesting player to watch moving forward.

New York can create a max salary slot next summer, even with Brunson, by declining team options on veterans and trading away Randle.

At this point I'm ready to just send another FRP to OKC for them to be the 3rd team to take on Duncan so we can just grab Randle and move forward. I actually think Randle would be pretty decent here as a secondary scorer and third best player

I feel like Spo despises the notion of a Bam and Randle front court.

[IceColdCubano]

For those talking about Bam’s deal and questioning the value.

Would you rather pay Bam $28m or Jalen Brunson $25m?

You got a point there Wilt comparing them side by side is definitely Bam being the better value, but remember inflation accounts for 7.5% per year in value. So its more like comparing ($28M vs $21M if done in the same year) or ( $32M vs 25M if done today).

[BenoUdrihFTL]

With Jalen Brunson likely to sign with the Knicks on Thursday, Julius Randle becomes an interesting player to watch moving forward.

New York can create a max salary slot next summer, even with Brunson, by declining team options on veterans and trading away Randle.

At this point I'm ready to just send another FRP to OKC for them to be the 3rd team to take on Duncan so we can just grab Randle and move forward. I actually think Randle would be pretty decent here as a secondary scorer and third best player

I feel like Spo despises the notion of a Bam and Randle front court.

He needs to get over it then. This whole idea of limiting who we're willing to go after if they don't fit our system or "culture" is handcuffing us. Acquire the talent first and then make it work even if that means you have to be a little flexible with your system. Feels like we've passed on some talent in recent years because of how rigid we are with who we're willing to bring into the team

And Randle wouldn't even require a major shift in scheme. He was a solid defender in 2021 and is a 4 who can stretch the floor. Also a decent playmaker for his position

[dean456]

All this PJ noise so early feels like a negotiating tactic by his agent to get Miami to up their offer. "One of your conference rivals are offering me 3yr 10mil per guaranteed before they are even able to. What you gonna do Riley?" I say we call his bluff if he wants to go to Philly for that small of a difference then go right ahead.

[gom]

Knicks having to dump 2nd rounders, $6mill and change to get off the Burks and Noel deals shows you how tough it’s gonna be to move Duncan.

Honestly, it may be a swap of Bertans for Duncan or something along those lines.

What would be the point of swapping Bertans for Robinson. Duncan is a better shooter and has a more versatile game besides.

[gom]

For those talking about Bam’s deal and questioning the value.

Would you rather pay Bam $28m or Jalen Brunson $25m?

Bam is the better player (by far.) It is also a greater position of need. He is not a traditional center and can even do playmaking. There should be no debate here (no disrespect to Brunson intended.)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There’s no reason to hate Bams contract, none. It’s a steal

[MettaWorldPanda]

At this point I'm ready to just send another FRP to OKC for them to be the 3rd team to take on Duncan so we can just grab Randle and move forward. I actually think Randle would be pretty decent here as a secondary scorer and third best player

I feel like Spo despises the notion of a Bam and Randle front court.

He needs to get over it then. This whole idea of limiting who we're willing to go after if they don't fit our system or "culture" is handcuffing us. Acquire the talent first and then make it work even if that means you have to be a little flexible with your system. Feels like we've passed on some talent in recent years because of how rigid we are with who we're willing to bring into the team

And Randle wouldn't even require a major shift in scheme. He was a solid defender in 2021 and is a 4 who can stretch the floor. Also a decent playmaker for his position

Spo is an old dog. He’s not getting over it. He’d rather start Caleb at the 4.

[Flash4thewin]

There’s no reason to hate Bams contract, none. It’s a steal

Bam and his contract are great, now Lowry and Duncan

[gom]

There’s no reason to hate Bams contract, none. It’s a steal

Bam and his contract are great, now Lowry and Duncan

Believe it or not both Duncan Robinson and Kyle Lowry are seen as important players for us. Their contracts are exactly right with respect to the market. They both had down seasons, but even so, they are good enough to win games for us. I know this isn't a popular take, but you'll miss them when they are gone (and playing against us.)

[MettaWorldPanda]

Martin looks like a sure thing

[BenoUdrihFTL]

For those talking about Bam’s deal and questioning the value.

Would you rather pay Bam $28m or Jalen Brunson $25m?

It's not really a fair comparison to make because this is a pretty unprecedented case of nepotism with Brunson. He's not worth $25 and no team would pay him that except:

1) Leon Rose's son is literally Brunson's agent (Leon Rose is president of the Knicks)

2) Brunson's dad Rick is on the Knicks coaching staff

It's also probably the most obvious case of tampering ever but idgaf because phuck Mark Cuban lol

[SoFlaKingReal]

Cody Martin is an RFA...

[MettaWorldPanda]

Cody Martin is an RFA...

Hoping they renounce his rights so we can sign him on the cheap. Then trade for Marcus and resign Kieff. Team twining .