Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[mhd]

Friends, I feel all of your pain. I really do. Gil has been central to my Wiz-love over the past several years.

But the sad truth is that THIS is his market value. There's one GM willing to take a shot on him, and only at the expense of another really bad contract. If Orlando pulled the deal off the table, who knows how long we'd have been stuck with Gilbert for? We're 6-15. He's not playing well. He wanted out. We're rebuilding.

It was time.

This is going to save ownership a lot of money that i have NO DOUBT they are going to re-invest into building this franchise. It's a tough day. This medicine doesn't taste good, but it's going to help us get healthy.

Go Wiz.

Is that you Ernie?? If we needed to move on from Gil, I'd have rather Starbury'd him than swapped him for another long, garbage deal. EG couldn't even get an expiring in 2yrs player?? What a joke.
If Gil goes to Orlando & it turns out he's been playing possum to get out of DC & Ernie let him do it for nothing in return, this organization will have major rotten egg on their faces. There is just zero upside to this deal. Screw 20million in 3 years. Not worth the risk for no draft picks or young players in return.

He's not playing possum. You can't fake that lack of explosion when he goes to the hoop. He's going to the situation he needs to be in at this time....As a role player on a playoff veteran team....

Draft picks and young players in return for Gil? Who in their right mind was going to give us that? Please tell me

Hedo just fetched that, and he sucks worse. Phoenix was able to get Gortat too as well as Peitrus. Peitrus is better than Lewis is as well. If you want your SF to shoot 3s and defend, give me Pietrus any day of the week.

[AceDegenerate]

LOL. Because Rashard is going to better those #'s in a Wizards uniform right?

[The Consiglieri]

I despise EG if he made this move. WHAT A STUPID TRADE!!!!!! The best player this team has had in years for utter garbage that is Rashard Lewis. The man who sold jerseys, who gave to this city, for RASHARD LEWIS!!!!! The man, whose jersey should be retired, for RASHARD LEWISS!!!!! The man, who made that last second shot against the Bulls, for RASHARD LEWIS!!!!!

Fire ERnie Grunfeld. I'm done with him.

In fairness, half of this doesn't really make any sense. It's the same as the McNabb issue, or Edgar Renteria. What was done years ago is irrelevant. What matters is now and the future and now Gil is no longer that player, at least for us, and will never be that again. The problem is strictly Lewis, a potential cancer, a slacker, and a garbage player on an equally repellant deal. This is a horrible trade. Maybe we couldn't have done better, but regardless, it's hard to imagine a worse return. I can't imagine this happening w/o a buyout or trade of Lewis within 1 year +2 months at the latest. Leonsis did the Jagr deal a decade ago, this trade in some ways is him eating the same s sandwich he realized he was eating years ago when he realized Jagr was never ever going to make a difference and he cost a massive ton of cash on top of it and was virtually untradeable. Now, the same deal with an even more inferior player. There's no way Lewis is here longer than past the Feb/March '12 deadline.

[mattyBoi]

LOL. Because Rashard is going to better those #'s in a Wizards uniform right?

Without a doubt.

[jivelikenice]

WHat about this 3-way:

Wiz trade: Lewis for Redd (needs to be seperate to work under CBA rules)

Wiz trade: McGee+Hinrich for Batum+Gooden+Boykins
Bucks trades: Gooden+Maggette+Boykins+2011+Dooling 1st rounder for Camby+Hinrich
Por trades: Batum+Camby for Dooling+Maggette+Bucks 2011 1st rounder+McGee

Why the enfatuation with Batum? And someone please explain the constant McGee scenarios. Yes he's frustrating but you do not trade young bigs. You guys are valuing McGee so much lower than others around the league would....

[LyricalRico]

I'll be in the tiny minority and say I'm fine with the deal. Assuming Arenas wasn't going to give us the same choice to convert his player option to a team option he's rumored to be giving to Orlando, we effectively turned a 3 year, $63~ million contract into a 2 year, $45~ million contract, which is a nice financial plus. Lewis is worse than Arenas on the court, but neither is an all-star any more, and we're not on the verge of contending for anything in the next year or two anyways. I think there's an emotional component of this for many, but for me, it's been four years since the guy has done anything positive for the franchise, so I've long since stopped caring about him on that level.

So all in all, I'm in favor of the trade. Granted, I'd say this is just about the worst possible Arenas trade that I'd still be in favor of, but still, I'm in favor.

Friends, I feel all of your pain. I really do. Gil has been central to my Wiz-love over the past several years.

But the sad truth is that THIS is his market value. There's one GM willing to take a shot on him, and only at the expense of another really bad contract. If Orlando pulled the deal off the table, who knows how long we'd have been stuck with Gilbert for? We're 6-15. He's not playing well. He wanted out. We're rebuilding.

It was time.

This is going to save ownership a lot of money that i have NO DOUBT they are going to re-invest into building this franchise. It's a tough day. This medicine doesn't taste good, but it's going to help us get healthy.

Go Wiz.

I refuse to believe that Shard is as bad as you all say he is. The guy is still capable of playing at a high level.

We were all waiting for Gilbert to come around and start playing like he used to, but we don't have the patience for Shard?

Finally, some people willing to take head out of their arse. Lewis can still shoot and has the size to be a combo forward. Has anybody considered the potential to have some SF/PF pick-and-roll action with Blatche and Lewis like Orlando had a couple years ago? Of course not, because anything that separates folks from the precious "hero" can't possibly work.

I don't care how much "talent" people think Gil has, it's irrelevant if he's never going to play up to his potential here. He's currently not playing very well and there's no reason to think that will improve if he stays. And the fact that NOBODY ELSE wants Arenas should also tell you something about this fictional "value" that he supposedly still has.

There's also the potential that he's tanking ON PURPOSE because he wants to avoid injury while he waits for this trade, and comments by Otis Smith have alluded to that possibility. Why would you want to keep a guy who sulks just to get out of town and has lost some of his athleticism? Wow, that sounds a lot like Vince in Toronto, doesn't it? But when Gil does it it's okay, right? Gimme a break.

Stop holding onto the ghost-of -first-place-in-2006 and wake up: this is something that HAS to happen, for the good of both Gil and the organization. In a perfect world I'd like to get more than Rashard Lewis, but it isn't a perfect world and if this is the best we can do I'm all for it. It's not going to solve all of our problems, but I think it finally makes the slate completely clean so we (and Gilbert) can move on. It's absolutely the right thing to do and has restored my excitement in this team's future.

Go Wiz!

[jivelikenice]

LOL. Because Rashard is going to better those #'s in a Wizards uniform right?

Definitely...Are you serious? Rashard will become a starter here and considering the lack of front court depth here and the shots he'll get, its likely he'll have Arenas type production as a Wizard...

[fishercob]

Friends, I feel all of your pain. I really do. Gil has been central to my Wiz-love over the past several years.

But the sad truth is that THIS is his market value. There's one GM willing to take a shot on him, and only at the expense of another really bad contract. If Orlando pulled the deal off the table, who knows how long we'd have been stuck with Gilbert for? We're 6-15. He's not playing well. He wanted out. We're rebuilding.

It was time.

This is going to save ownership a lot of money that i have NO DOUBT they are going to re-invest into building this franchise. It's a tough day. This medicine doesn't taste good, but it's going to help us get healthy.

Go Wiz.

Is that you Ernie?? If we needed to move on from Gil, I'd have rather Starbury'd him than swapped him for another long, garbage deal. EG couldn't even get an expiring in 2yrs player?? What a joke.
If Gil goes to Orlando & it turns out he's been playing possum to get out of DC & Ernie let him do it for nothing in return, this organization will have major rotten egg on their faces. There is just zero upside to this deal. Screw 20million in 3 years. Not worth the risk for no draft picks or young players in return.
And truthfully, I've been over any infatuation with Gil for about 3 years now. This is just a nonsense deal. I'd happily trade Gil for an expiring bag of potato chips. Getting a non-expiring bag of moldy chips just pisses me off.

1. We'd be far worse of "Starbury'ing" him. He'd be a huge distraction and the saved money goes a long way.

2. This is what the market would bear. I would have liked a shorter contract or a pick too. But what if Orlando had just made the PHX deal and then taken off, while Gil continued to do nothing to build his value on or off the floor? This opportunity would be gone and we'd be stuck with Gilbert.

3. I'm no Grunfeld fan at this point. I won't shed a single tear when he's gone. But there's no way this trade goes down without major input and buy-in from Ted. I think Ted made this deal as much as Ernie did.

[mhd]

WHat about this 3-way:

Wiz trade: Lewis for Redd (needs to be seperate to work under CBA rules)

Wiz trade: McGee+Hinrich for Batum+Gooden+Boykins
Bucks trades: Gooden+Maggette+Boykins+2011+Dooling 1st rounder for Camby+Hinrich
Por trades: Batum+Camby for Dooling+Maggette+Bucks 2011 1st rounder+McGee

Why the enfatuation with Batum? And someone please explain the constant McGee scenarios. Yes he's frustrating but you do not trade young bigs. You guys are valuing McGee so much lower than others around the league would....

Batum is the exactly young defensive SF who hits 3s that plays on winning teams. He's 22 and from the same draft class. Batum is an excellent defender. He'd be a godsend as a player who can guard multiple positions. He's got a high IQ. He's played with ball dominant guards. He'll cost less in an extension than McGee would.

[Mr. Grundle]

My thoughts on the trade are......who cares? There's some real sentimentals around here. While its true Gil made the Wiz relevant again, the current Gil is not the same player that made that happen. The fun-loving, super fast and strong, sniper-clutch-shooting, get-in-the-paint-and-to-the-line-at-will Gil is long gone. The current Gil is old, slow, can't shoot, and can't buy a call. But worst of all, he's bitter. He doesn't want to be here anymore. Doesn't wanna play with these young kids. Doesn't want to be a mentor to John Wall.

So let him go. Who cares if we get a worse player in return. We are one of the 3 worst teams in the NBA WITH Gil. We don't get that much worse with Shart....it's impossible. We trade a horrible contract for an equally horrible contract less a year. We get another soft, lazy, jumpshooting big...like we can't deal with that for two more years.

Seriously, who cares. We don't get much better or worse with the deal.

The John Wall era couldn't officially begin until the Gil era ended. This was the only way to make that happen.

[Terpman]

He's not playing possum. You can't fake that lack of explosion when he goes to the hoop. He's going to the situation he needs to be in at this time....As a role player on a playoff veteran team....

Draft picks and young players in return for Gil? Who in their right mind was going to give us that? Please tell me[/quote]

Simple. No deal is better than this crap. At least let all the Gil fans in DC keep rooting for their guy. Rashard is crap.

[mhd]

Bucks fans on the trade board would do Redd+Maggette+Gooden for Lewis+Hinrich+Thorton. If we wanted to be FA players we should do that trade.

[sfam]

It's a done deal for those who are still doubting it.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... -turkoglu/

That write-up has the right of it: a bad team just got worse. Everyone raise another cheer for our esteemed GM. Good goin EG...

[Kanyewest]

Maggette and Gooden are horrible contracts... so no.

[AceDegenerate]

Finally, some people willing to take head out of their arse. Lewis can still shoot and has the size to be a combo forward. Has anybody considered the potential to have some SF/PF pick-and-roll action with Blatche and Lewis like Orlando had a couple years ago? Of course not, because anything that separates folks from the precious "hero" can't possibly work.

[mhd]

My thoughts on the trade are......who cares? There's some real sentimentals around here. While its true Gil made the Wiz relevant again, the current Gil is not the same player that made that happen. The fun-loving, super fast and strong, sniper-clutch-shooting, get-in-the-paint-and-to-the-line-at-will Gil is long gone. The current Gil is old, slow, can't shoot, and can't buy a call. But worst of all, he's bitter. He doesn't want to be here anymore. Doesn't wanna play with these young kids. Doesn't want to be a mentor to John Wall.

So let him go. Who cares if we get a worse player in return. We are one of the 3 worst teams in the NBA WITH Gil. We don't get that much worse with Shart....it's impossible. We trade a horrible contract for an equally horrible contract less a year. We get another soft, lazy, jumpshooting big...like we can't deal with that for two more years.

Seriously, who cares. We don't get much better or worse with the deal.

The John Wall era couldn't officially begin until the Gil era ended. This was the only way to make that happen.

Arenas has been mentoring the young guys. He isn't a cancer like Lewis is. He's not roiding up. He's not soft. Lewis sucks and Josh Howard is a better player than he is. I'd rather have Howard at SF than Lewis because Howard will give effort on the defensive end. Howard will rebound. If you want your SF to shoot, play Cartier Martin. At least he gives a crap on the court. Rashard Lewis doesn't care.

[Terpman]

LOL. Because Rashard is going to better those #'s in a Wizards uniform right?

Definitely...Are you serious? Rashard will become a starter here and considering the lack of front court depth here and the shots he'll get, its likely he'll have Arenas type production as a Wizard...

wow.

[Kanyewest]

It's a done deal for those who are still doubting it.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... -turkoglu/

Only place where it's not official is ESPN.

[LyricalRico]

My thoughts on the trade are......who cares? There's some real sentimentals around here. While its true Gil made the Wiz relevant again, the current Gil is not the same player that made that happen. The fun-loving, super fast and strong, sniper-clutch-shooting, get-in-the-paint-and-to-the-line-at-will Gil is long gone. The current Gil is old, slow, can't shoot, and can't buy a call. But worst of all, he's bitter. He doesn't want to be here anymore. Doesn't wanna play with these young kids. Doesn't want to be a mentor to John Wall.

So let him go. Who cares if we get a worse player in return. We are one of the 3 worst teams in the NBA WITH Gil. We don't get that much worse with Shart....it's impossible. We trade a horrible contract for an equally horrible contract less a year. We get another soft, lazy, jumpshooting big...like we can't deal with that for two more years.

Seriously, who cares. We don't get much better or worse with the deal.

The John Wall era couldn't officially begin until the Gil era ended. This was the only way to make that happen.

Simply beautiful.

[mhd]

Maggette and Gooden are horrible contracts... so no.

Maggette expires the same time as Lewis, so it is irrelevant on that end. From what I can tell, Gooden's contract isn't what it appears and has tons of incentives as well. I'd do the trade to simply get cap space this year and make a run at Marc Gasol.