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Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What kind of player do you think we need most?

Point Guard
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Scoring Guard
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Great Shooter
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3&D Wing
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1301 » by basketballRob » Thu Sep 3, 2020 10:48 am

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Makes a good case for Maxey. Listening to his interview with Mike Schmitz, he was always a PG and was asked to move to SG at Kentucky, because of the depth they had at PG. Luckily he didn't shoot a great 3 pt percentage last year or he'd be a lottery pick.

I'm not sold on Cole Anthony, one he's older and two he has the same standing reach as DJ.

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Post#1302 » by KillMonger » Thu Sep 3, 2020 11:33 am



thoughts on yam madar? 2nd round draft and stash?
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1303 » by IllMagic04 » Thu Sep 3, 2020 12:25 pm

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IllMagic04 wrote:Could be. What does the eye test tell you though? I watched him a couple times and the eye test tells me he has the skill set we need. He forced alot of really bad shots for sure. He did not make teamates better either. No doubt about that. But does he have a skill set that we need and can work with? No doubt. I personally dont believe he will be on the board at 15. If he is we gotta consider him.

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For comparison’s sake, imagine Fournier facing Cole’s opponents. Fournier would look like a superstar against college kids.
Well yea. Id expect all solid NBA players to look great against college kids

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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1304 » by dsg2021 » Thu Sep 3, 2020 12:53 pm

drsd wrote:Looking forward Jalen Green could be exactly the player the Magic need to replace Fournier. So: how to trade for a pick that might land #1 or #2 in next year's draft.

Gordon, #15, Orlando's 2022 frp for Cleveland's 2021 frp is a major gamble for both teams (Orlando could draft 5th or 6th in this trade; Cleveland could lose the rights to a player in a protected excellent draft class)./

I am not sure teams will make risk-reward trades, ever, but this kind of gamble is interesting to contemplate.

..

I wish our FO did something like this. Could even minus AG and do something like Bamba and two 2nd's.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1305 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Sep 3, 2020 2:25 pm

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Makes a good case for Maxey. Listening to his interview with Mike Schmitz, he was always a PG and was asked to move to SG at Kentucky, because of the depth they had at PG. Luckily he didn't shoot a great 3 pt percentage last year or he'd be a lottery pick.

I'm not sold on Cole Anthony, one he's older and two he has the same standing reach as DJ.

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Maxey is my guy. Coach Cal has a system and he forces dudes into it to get best for the college team. We could very easily play Maxey + Fultz same time and wouldn’t be devastating either.

There’s a lot to like with his game.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1306 » by IllMagic04 » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:27 pm

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Makes a good case for Maxey. Listening to his interview with Mike Schmitz, he was always a PG and was asked to move to SG at Kentucky, because of the depth they had at PG. Luckily he didn't shoot a great 3 pt percentage last year or he'd be a lottery pick.

I'm not sold on Cole Anthony, one he's older and two he has the same standing reach as DJ.

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Maxey is my guy. Coach Cal has a system and he forces dudes into it to get best for the college team. We could very easily play Maxey + Fultz same time and wouldn’t be devastating either.

There’s a lot to like with his game.
I like him. I just think he too will be off the board when we pick. He just feels like a Boston pick

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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1307 » by basketballRob » Thu Sep 3, 2020 9:15 pm

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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Makes a good case for Maxey. Listening to his interview with Mike Schmitz, he was always a PG and was asked to move to SG at Kentucky, because of the depth they had at PG. Luckily he didn't shoot a great 3 pt percentage last year or he'd be a lottery pick.

I'm not sold on Cole Anthony, one he's older and two he has the same standing reach as DJ.

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Maxey is my guy. Coach Cal has a system and he forces dudes into it to get best for the college team. We could very easily play Maxey + Fultz same time and wouldn’t be devastating either.

There’s a lot to like with his game.
I like him. I just think he too will be off the board when we pick. He just feels like a Boston pick

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Occasionally looking at the Boston board over the years and they say Ainge always takes a guard. Kind like we always take a guy with long arms that can't shoot. So yeah Boston will probably pick him.

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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1308 » by Bensational » Thu Sep 3, 2020 9:32 pm

Lewis, Maxey and Terry should all be available where we pick. Hopefully we take one of them.

Those numbers on Terry are exciting. If he can remain efficient, he could contribute from day 1.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1309 » by Knightro » Thu Sep 3, 2020 9:56 pm

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman-obi-toppin/

Here's Hoopshype's latest Mock Draft aggregate rankings with the risers and fallers from the previous aggregate update on July 6th.

Players Rising
Obi Toppin 4 (was 5)
Deni Avdija 5 (was 6)
Tyrese Haliburton 7 (was 9)
Aaron Nesmith 11 (was 13)
Patrick Williams 12 (was 14)
Saddiq Bey 13 (was 19)
Jalen Smith 20 (was 25)
Aleksej Pokuševski 22 (was 28)
Tyrell Terry 23 (was 32)
Leandro Bolmaro 25 (was 31)
Desmond Bane 29 (was 47)
Malachi Flynn 33 (was 44)
Xavier Tillman 35 (was 49)
Isaiah Joe 44 (was unranked)

Players Falling
Onyeka Okongwu 6 (was 4)
Killian Hayes 9 (was 7)
Precious Achiuwa 14 (was 12)
Cole Anthony 15 (was 11)
Nico Mannion 28 (was 23)
Vernon Carey 32 (was 26)
Zeke Nnaji 34 (was 29)
Devon Dotson 36 (was 30)
Cassius Stanley 41 (was 33)
Paul Reed 45 (was 37)
Immanuel Quickley 47 (was 38)
Reggie Perry 50 (was 40)
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Post#1310 » by Ducklett » Thu Sep 3, 2020 10:07 pm

Knightro wrote:https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman-obi-toppin/

Here's Hoopshype's latest Mock Draft aggregate rankings with the risers and fallers from the previous aggregate update on July 6th.

Players Rising
Obi Toppin 4 (was 5)
Deni Avdija 5 (was 6)
Tyrese Haliburton 7 (was 9)
Aaron Nesmith 11 (was 13)
Patrick Williams 12 (was 14)
Saddiq Bey 13 (was 19)
Jalen Smith 20 (was 25)
Aleksej Pokuševski 22 (was 28)
Tyrell Terry 23 (was 32)
Leandro Bolmaro 25 (was 31)
Desmond Bane 29 (was 47)
Malachi Flynn 33 (was 44)
Xavier Tillman 35 (was 49)
Isaiah Joe 44 (was unranked)

Players Falling
Onyeka Okongwu 6 (was 4)
Killian Hayes 9 (was 7)
Precious Achiuwa 14 (was 12)
Cole Anthony 15 (was 11)
Nico Mannion 28 (was 23)
Vernon Carey 32 (was 26)
Zeke Nnaji 34 (was 29)
Devon Dotson 36 (was 30)
Cassius Stanley 41 (was 33)
Paul Reed 45 (was 37)
Immanuel Quickley 47 (was 38)
Reggie Perry 50 (was 40)


I wonder if Poku will go all the way up to us on the mocks. Seems like a good way to pick and trade for some decent assets.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1311 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Sep 3, 2020 10:20 pm

Ducklett wrote:
Knightro wrote:https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman-obi-toppin/

Here's Hoopshype's latest Mock Draft aggregate rankings with the risers and fallers from the previous aggregate update on July 6th.

Players Rising
Obi Toppin 4 (was 5)
Deni Avdija 5 (was 6)
Tyrese Haliburton 7 (was 9)
Aaron Nesmith 11 (was 13)
Patrick Williams 12 (was 14)
Saddiq Bey 13 (was 19)
Jalen Smith 20 (was 25)
Aleksej Pokuševski 22 (was 28)
Tyrell Terry 23 (was 32)
Leandro Bolmaro 25 (was 31)
Desmond Bane 29 (was 47)
Malachi Flynn 33 (was 44)
Xavier Tillman 35 (was 49)
Isaiah Joe 44 (was unranked)

Players Falling
Onyeka Okongwu 6 (was 4)
Killian Hayes 9 (was 7)
Precious Achiuwa 14 (was 12)
Cole Anthony 15 (was 11)
Nico Mannion 28 (was 23)
Vernon Carey 32 (was 26)
Zeke Nnaji 34 (was 29)
Devon Dotson 36 (was 30)
Cassius Stanley 41 (was 33)
Paul Reed 45 (was 37)
Immanuel Quickley 47 (was 38)
Reggie Perry 50 (was 40)


I wonder if Poku will go all the way up to us on the mocks. Seems like a good way to pick and trade for some decent assets.


If we draft Poku I’m not sure it goes over well
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1312 » by VFX » Fri Sep 4, 2020 12:36 am

Give me a wing with the highest assist rating. Call it a day. Thanks.
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Post#1313 » by Xatticus » Fri Sep 4, 2020 1:46 am

Ducklett wrote:
Knightro wrote:https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman-obi-toppin/

Here's Hoopshype's latest Mock Draft aggregate rankings with the risers and fallers from the previous aggregate update on July 6th.

Players Rising
Obi Toppin 4 (was 5)
Deni Avdija 5 (was 6)
Tyrese Haliburton 7 (was 9)
Aaron Nesmith 11 (was 13)
Patrick Williams 12 (was 14)
Saddiq Bey 13 (was 19)
Jalen Smith 20 (was 25)
Aleksej Pokuševski 22 (was 28)
Tyrell Terry 23 (was 32)
Leandro Bolmaro 25 (was 31)
Desmond Bane 29 (was 47)
Malachi Flynn 33 (was 44)
Xavier Tillman 35 (was 49)
Isaiah Joe 44 (was unranked)

Players Falling
Onyeka Okongwu 6 (was 4)
Killian Hayes 9 (was 7)
Precious Achiuwa 14 (was 12)
Cole Anthony 15 (was 11)
Nico Mannion 28 (was 23)
Vernon Carey 32 (was 26)
Zeke Nnaji 34 (was 29)
Devon Dotson 36 (was 30)
Cassius Stanley 41 (was 33)
Paul Reed 45 (was 37)
Immanuel Quickley 47 (was 38)
Reggie Perry 50 (was 40)


I wonder if Poku will go all the way up to us on the mocks. Seems like a good way to pick and trade for some decent assets.


I think there is a good chance he is gone before we pick. He is a classic 'it just takes one team to fall in love with him' kind of guy.

It's all about the body with him. You don't have to worry about him figuring out the game. He is advanced enough as a distributor that you just know it's going to work. Will his dribble be functional? I don't know. He can clearly handle the ball in the open floor, but I don't know if he can initiate from the pick-and-roll. Can you let him work from the post? I don't know. It looks promising, but his frame is going to make that difficult against NBA bigs. Will he be a plus shooter? I don't know that either. I just know that he has the vision and length to find open guys and passing lanes. His understanding is exceptional for his size and age. Can he defend anyone? Maybe not, but he posted a solid rebounding rate and terrific block and steal percentages. He will disrupt at the defensive end.

I think that if you were certain that he would develop a body that would be able to withstand the rigors of the NBA, he would be a certainty to go in the top half of the lottery. In a class as weak as this one, I think someone is going to make that bet. Given how things have played out with Isaac and Bamba, I don't think it will be us.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1314 » by basketballRob » Fri Sep 4, 2020 1:54 am

I hope we pick a player with an NBA body.

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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1315 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Fri Sep 4, 2020 3:16 am

Vecenie has a Mock 7.1 what he’s hearing.

Magic went Kira Lewis at 15


Others names- Nesmith 12 to Kings. Bey 13 to Nola, Maxey 18 to Dallas. Terry 35th 76ers
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Post#1316 » by Tarheel » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:56 am

I have a feeling the Magic make a move this year.

Picks at the top of the draft will be cheaper than usual due to the lack of top-tier talent and Weltman has a lot of faith in our analytics department and will see value where other GMs don't. AG has value to the teams picking #1 and #2 (and to a lesser extent #3-#5 but I think they'd be wanting to trade to a later pick rather than for an established player).

Bold prediction: we move AG to the Wolves or Warriors and pick Hayes/Edwards on draft night.
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Post#1317 » by zaymon » Fri Sep 4, 2020 10:15 am

Tarheel wrote:I have a feeling the Magic make a move this year.

Picks at the top of the draft will be cheaper than usual due to the lack of top-tier talent and Weltman has a lot of faith in our analytics department and will see value where other GMs don't. AG has value to the teams picking #1 and #2 (and to a lesser extent #3-#5 but I think they'd be wanting to trade to a later pick rather than for an established player).

Bold prediction: we move AG to the Wolves or Warriors and pick Hayes/Edwards on draft night.

I dont think analytics will value Edwards. Ball, Hayes are a mix of good and bad. Its hard for me to see a player worth trading up for. Maybe there is a potential hidden gem they are targeting ( like Chuma last year), i wonder if we will need to trade Gordon to aquire it.
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Post#1318 » by Skybox » Fri Sep 4, 2020 11:05 am

zaymon wrote:
Tarheel wrote:I have a feeling the Magic make a move this year.

Picks at the top of the draft will be cheaper than usual due to the lack of top-tier talent and Weltman has a lot of faith in our analytics department and will see value where other GMs don't. AG has value to the teams picking #1 and #2 (and to a lesser extent #3-#5 but I think they'd be wanting to trade to a later pick rather than for an established player).

Bold prediction: we move AG to the Wolves or Warriors and pick Hayes/Edwards on draft night.

I dont think analytics will value Edwards. Ball, Hayes are a mix of good and bad. Its hard for me to see a player worth trading up for. Maybe there is a potential hidden gem they are targeting ( like Chuma last year), i wonder if we will need to trade Gordon to aquire it.


Agree but also see the craziness and uncertainty of this year’s draft may make it possible (where a top pick is usually super-valuable). If I’m GSW, I’m 100% trading it and likely looking at a return of quality win-now depth more than another star. There’s no KD available this year for 2020 #2 and Wiggins’ deal. The uncertainty of the class and our/their current situation makes it seem possible now. If I’m GSW, I go all in now and take zero chance on a kid with upside or even Wiggins “clicking”, even if it means lower ceiling guys like AG, Evan, Vuc, Aminu types.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1319 » by Bensational » Fri Sep 4, 2020 11:21 am

If WeHam decide to make a play on our backcourt via trade or draft, I think they make moves with Fultz largely at the centre of them.

So as much as I'd love for us to draft Kira, I don't think we take another PG in the draft. Most likely someone with SG size at least.

Which brings me back to the Killian Hayes smoke. Maybe there's more heat under it than we thought? He's probably within range to trade up for, if we packaged the 15 and Fournier. A team like Atlanta, or Phoenix would probably snap that up.

That allows WeHam to keep an experienced front court to anchor the 'playoff standards', and gives Fultz a young running mate who can allow him to be more ball dominant. Ross off the bench to stabilise.

Up front, I'm not a big fan of Hayes'. But whoever we draft next will be lumped with the baggage of all my expectations regardless.
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Post#1320 » by jonbob17 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 11:54 am

drsd wrote:Looking forward Jalen Green could be exactly the player the Magic need to replace Fournier. So: how to trade for a pick that might land #1 or #2 in next year's draft.

Gordon, #15, Orlando's 2022 frp for Cleveland's 2021 frp is a major gamble for both teams (Orlando could draft 5th or 6th in this trade; Cleveland could lose the rights to a player in a protected excellent draft class)./

I am not sure teams will make risk-reward trades, ever, but this kind of gamble is interesting to contemplate.

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We can't, teams don't trade unprotected firsts, especially in good drafts.
Basically everybody outside of Minnesota, and the teams that went all in on elite superstars own their pick next year. That should say all you need to know about how good the 2021 draft is projected to be. Should also tell us how bad that Wiggins contract is valued.

Next year's prospects are all preps, but I don't think the guys at the top of the 2020 draft would get drafted in the top 10 if you combined the drafts

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