2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[720]

I don’t see why Ayton would have the value of OG in a S&T. Maybe in a normal trade but not when he’s entering RFA and it’s pretty clear they don’t wanna pay him

It works using Fred cause he’s entering Free Agency next offseason but not OG

Trent.

Maybe. Idk if Suns would do that though considering the fit with Booker

Maybe Trent, Malachi/Banton, a future first? I don’t think they do it at all. They would probably want OG, or Fred instead. At which point we wouldn’t have to throw in a future pick. I wouldn’t trade OG btw.

[DangerZone13]

Just a quick thought:
Kings GM Monty McNair is in the last year of his contract, so it's very likely he makes a strong play for the playoffs, right?

If there's a lottery pick that gets moved for now help, (if it stays or moves down) - that's likely the pick.

Not saying it should happen, but it would be funny if the son of a former player were moved for the draft rights to the son of a current coach.

[Raptors_128]

Trent.

Maybe. Idk if Suns would do that though considering the fit with Booker

Maybe Trent, Malachi/Banton, a future first? I don’t think they do it at all. They would probably want OG, or Fred instead. At which point we wouldn’t have to throw in a future pick. I wouldn’t trade OG btw.

I think a 3-team trade with the Pistons and Suns makes a lot of sense. Core of the trade would be something like Raps getting Ayton, Pistons getting FVV or Trent, and the Suns getting Grant.

[Zeno]

How about Pascal and resigned Thad (9 million per) for Ayton (30 million per) and Bridges? I think the Suns would have a hard time giving up Bridges but Pascal might be the exact player the Suns need. Pascal is the best player in the trade but given ages and need I’d do it.

[Jcity08]

I'd need more than Ayton and Bridges for Siakam in any deal personally.

[DelAbbot]

I'd need more than Ayton and Bridges for Siakam in any deal personally.

I think at best PHX goes for Siakam for Ayton + fillers. We are not getting Bridges along with Ayton for Siakam + filler.

Siakam for Ayton is interesting. Although paying Ayton max without knowing his work ethic or BBIQ is high risk.

How about Pascal and resigned Thad (9 million per) for Ayton (30 million per) and Bridges? I think the Suns would have a hard time giving up Bridges but Pascal might be the exact player the Suns need. Pascal is the best player in the trade but given ages and need I’d do it.

Siakam is better than Ayton now in terms of skills, but the Ayton has more trade value due to his (yet realized) potential, and impact at C, and scarcity of mobile big/strong C like Ayton.

[WaltFrazier]

Saw an article in one of the Raptors fan sites saying trade for DeAndre Hunter of Atlanta. Don't have link right now.

[Jcity08]

I'd need more than Ayton and Bridges for Siakam in any deal personally.

I think at best PHX goes for Siakam for Ayton + fillers. We are not getting Bridges along with Ayton for Siakam + filler.

Siakam for Ayton is interesting. Although paying Ayton max without knowing his work ethic or BBIQ is high risk.

I think the trade is a non-starter personally if it includes Siakam.

[YelloC]

I think Daniel Gafford could be a fit and wouldn’t cost any core players to acquire. His Freethrow percentage is decent so Nurse would probably have him shooting 3s in no time.
He’d fill the gap at the 5 for the minutes that we don’t play the regular lineup.
He could have another level or two of progression.

[grant101]

Here's one that I think makes a lot of sense for both sides:

TOR/WASH

Malachi Flynn – Isaiah Todd

Why for Toronto: Move on from Flynn (who’s a good player, but awkward fit on this team), and bring on a long, athletic, high up-side sharpshooter (shot 42% in the g-league) that fits the 6’9 vision. Also opens up a spot in the roster for a better shooting back-up guard – perhaps an undrafted free agent like Andrew Nembhard (my preferred option), Marcus Sasser or Colin Gillespie.

Why for Washington: A heavy PnR team looking for a traditional point guard brings on a young, solid two-way old-school guard that excels at that playstyle.

[Rodrickle]

I'd need more than Ayton and Bridges for Siakam in any deal personally.

I think at best PHX goes for Siakam for Ayton + fillers. We are not getting Bridges along with Ayton for Siakam + filler.

Siakam for Ayton is interesting. Although paying Ayton max without knowing his work ethic or BBIQ is high risk.

How about Pascal and resigned Thad (9 million per) for Ayton (30 million per) and Bridges? I think the Suns would have a hard time giving up Bridges but Pascal might be the exact player the Suns need. Pascal is the best player in the trade but given ages and need I’d do it.

Siakam is better than Ayton now in terms of skills, but the Ayton has more trade value due to his (yet realized) potential, and impact at C, and scarcity of mobile big/strong C like Ayton.

That's definitely debatable. Siakam likely has more trade value even at age 27. A sign and trade candidate typically won't get fair value, even a rfa. Siakam is more proven as well and long 6'9 do it all types that score 20+PPG on good efficiency and defend are worth more than non -elite centres.

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[Zeno]

I'd need more than Ayton and Bridges for Siakam in any deal personally.

I think at best PHX goes for Siakam for Ayton + fillers. We are not getting Bridges along with Ayton for Siakam + filler.

Siakam for Ayton is interesting. Although paying Ayton max without knowing his work ethic or BBIQ is high risk.

How about Pascal and resigned Thad (9 million per) for Ayton (30 million per) and Bridges? I think the Suns would have a hard time giving up Bridges but Pascal might be the exact player the Suns need. Pascal is the best player in the trade but given ages and need I’d do it.

Siakam is better than Ayton now in terms of skills, but the Ayton has more trade value due to his (yet realized) potential, and impact at C, and scarcity of mobile big/strong C like Ayton.

That's definitely debatable. Siakam likely has more trade value even at age 27. A sign and trade candidate typically won't get fair value, even a rfa. Siakam is more proven as well and long 6'9 do it all types that score 20+PPG on good efficiency and defend are worth more than non -elite centres.

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I agree. Skillset-wise Pascal is way more rare and valuable than Ayton. Bridges is actually closer to his value though he doesn't have the size and playmaking skills. To me Siakam and Thad for Bridges and Ayton is a fair trade in my mind though I doubt the Suns and especially their fans will see it that way and from my perspective it would be much nicer to make the trade Siakam and Birch for Ayton and Bridges.

[italraptors]

everyone needs to look at the remaining 4 teams in the playoffs. do they have a max legit 7 footer? nope. this teams needs an elite wing scorer more than a legit 7 footer. we need Bradly beal. need to dump freddy (god love him) his stock is as high as its gonna ever be. lets go and have faith in masai!!

[TrustFundBaby]

I'd need more than Ayton and Bridges for Siakam in any deal personally.

I think at best PHX goes for Siakam for Ayton + fillers. We are not getting Bridges along with Ayton for Siakam + filler.

Siakam for Ayton is interesting. Although paying Ayton max without knowing his work ethic or BBIQ is high risk.

How about Pascal and resigned Thad (9 million per) for Ayton (30 million per) and Bridges? I think the Suns would have a hard time giving up Bridges but Pascal might be the exact player the Suns need. Pascal is the best player in the trade but given ages and need I’d do it.

Siakam is better than Ayton now in terms of skills, but the Ayton has more trade value due to his (yet realized) potential, and impact at C, and scarcity of mobile big/strong C like Ayton.

I think wings are more valuable than C's on average. Other than Jokic and Embiid, C's have questionable value. Why pay Ayton ~35mil when the are tons of decent stop gap C's who make between 12-17 (JV, Poeltl, Turner, Nurkic, Capela).

I think Ayton is good but committing that max to him is a bit much. You'd be banking that he reaches that top tier. We saw how brutal people got to Siakam when they felt he was overpaid, Ayton will get the same hate from people here And this isn't a roster that has a PnR Maestro like CP3 to get him to his spots, and it's generally not a good passing team. He was frustrated Booker and Paul froze him out, he'll lose it at FVV & GTJ.

[HumbleRen]

Wish we went for Ingram when his stock was low.

[Dalek]

Wish we went for Ingram when his stock was low.

Not quite on Ingram's level, but the guy I would love to buy low on is De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks. He had a wrist injury for part of the year and it slowed him down, but he still had the following numbers:

6'8" wing
47.4% inside the arc
37.9% from three
47.8% from the left corner-three

He is also an elite defender. He just needs to keep working on his shot creation skills but to me he has the lanky body-type that will figure it out.

Against Miami in the Round 1 he averaged 21 and 4 which is Middleton like numbers.

I'd personally trade Trent Jr for Hunter which creates a bit more flexibility if we decide on moving on from Pascal at some point in the near future. Trent with Young just makes sense to me. That would be a high scoring backcourt. Hunter would eliminate any weakspots on the Raptors and I love the upside with him.

[DreamTeam09]

Wish we went for Ingram when his stock was low.

Not quite on Ingram's level, but the guy I would love to buy low on is De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks. He had a wrist injury for part of the year and it slowed him down, but he still had the following numbers:

6'8" wing
47.4% inside the arc
37.9% from three
47.8% from the left corner-three

He is also an elite defender. He just needs to keep working on his shot creation skills but to me he has the lanky body-type that will figure it out.

Against Miami in the Round 1 he averaged 21 and 4 which is Middleton like numbers.

I'd personally trade Trent Jr for Hunter which creates a bit more flexibility if we decide on moving on from Pascal at some point in the near future. Trent with Young just makes sense to me. That would be a high scoring backcourt. Hunter would eliminate any weakspots on the Raptors and I love the upside with him.

How do you say Hunter eliminates any week spots when Trent is the better scorer and we desperately need more scoring.

I don't see Hunter being 18ppg next year, and Trent is still improving.

I'm not aruguing the upside of Hunter in this post, just that a hunter for Trent swap doesn't really address anything

[Asif16]

Malachi Flynn for Daniel Gafford?

The Wizards have a plethora of big men. Porzingus/Rui/Bryant/Kuzma. Gafford could be available

Their PG Depth is terrible. It consists of Satoransky/Neto/Ish Smith. They could use a PG Prospect

[wegotthabeet]

Posted this in the wrong thread.

To Toronto: SGA
To Indiana: Trent, 2023 PHO FRP, 2024 TOR FRP
To Phoenix: Vanvleet, Turner
To OKC: Ayton +

SGA - Banton
OG - Champagnie
Barnes - Young
Siakam - Boucher
Precious - MLE

[StopitLeo]

I don’t want to say you’re wrong, but you’re wrong.

Tell me how many teams have won a championship without an elite floor general? — not saying they average 20 and 10, but elite at running a team.

The answer is zero.

You said point guard has always been the most important position. Now you're saying elite floor general, which is quite different since that doesn't have to be a point guard.

If all you can do is argue semantics than just stop trying.

It's not semantics. Plenty of teams have won championships without great point guards. The Bulls, the post-Magic Lakers, the Heat...
And many others have won where point guard wasn't even close to the post important position.

If you want to win, the most important position is having an MVP calibre player on the perimeter. Can you win without one? Sure, but championship teams tend to have them more often than not.