The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Mulhollanddrive]

So we can offer Bol 13m next season as early bird?

[garrick]

How much is Okogie gonna cost the Suns? Say another team wants to pay him $8M. What is the Suns real cost to exceed that offer? Is it like $50M because of the extra penalities?

I doubt any team will want Okogie for $8M per year.

I think he is trying to get an small multi-annual contract, something like $10M/3 years.

No need to overpay him.

There's a reason no one else besides us wanted him and he has never been able to be consistent with his jumpshot. At most I would give him like a 3 year 15M deal with the last year a team option.

[dremill24]

So we can offer Bol 13m next season as early bird?

Yeah it would be somewhere around that number if hes still on the team at that point

[Mr Puddles]

Regarding Kessler...

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Danny Ainge has spoken through Gambo


Gambo also tweeted out that Reed wouldn't be that much of a difference maker - almost like down playing his skill set
Granted, the Suns would never have been able to sign him off waivers like the Pistons - details, details

Isn't Kessler a free agent after this season? The Jazz prioritized Collins over him last year, unless Utah decides to reverse course and bump him up to starter I don't see why he would stick around.

Ainge can either cash in on him now, or watch Kessler walk(er) out of Utah in free agency. As for the Suns, they'd get Kessler's bird rights and can retain him after the summer.

[bwgood77]

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I always thought it was hogwash when people said "he didn't want to come here"....it was all speculation. Atlanta and Cleveland, yes, make sense because they just got Young and Garland. We made more sense than a team like the Kings for him anyway, with a very old PG and no depth. Clear cut starter for the future.

Plus, any guy getting drafted and suddenly making a ton was going to be happy anyway.

I still have no real understanding why James Jones couldn't see that we needed a PG long term even though we just traded for Paul when it was clear to everyone else. Did he really think Payne was the guy? He couldn't have been too committed to Jalen Smith anyway since he didn't even pick up his option.

It's infuriating and I know people hate hearing about it but it would totally change our trajectory of the team for the next 6-8 years.

[bwgood77]

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Honestly, I'm more pissed off about this than missing out on Doncic. I was high on Doncic since day 1, but I atleast understood the justification of drafting Ayton (even though I had my doubt about him).

Haliburton was such an obvious fit. Have him play under Paul for two seasons and then let him take over the reigns. The fact that he slipped to us was a shock, and the fact that we passed up on him was an even bigger shock

Yeah, I mean I really wanted Luka but it was obvious to me with McD that we were never going to draft him, after we got the top pick. Had we gotten like the 3rd pick I think we may have (but wouldn't be surprised if we made a trade similar to what Atlanta did).

With Halilburton it was a crazy great opportunity and then it wasn't only by far the BPA but it was by far our biggest need long term. And we took some guy not even projected in the first round.

[sunskerr]

I suppose for Okogie there are crazier things than a defensive player who has a great work ethic developing a jump shot in their mid 20s. I'd rather we be in the driver's seat just on the off chance he does, since his defensive skills really are that good.

Wouldn't want anything more than 2 years though. In fact I'd prefer a larger 1 year deal (help me cap experts is this possible) to turn him into a trade piece.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bwgood77]

Get Lowry. I could give a rats ass how much we pay Okogie. Not my money. Unless it hurts us somehow with second apron/freezing picks or something. But we don't really have picks. In the very anticipated 25 and 26 drafts, we have zero and 1 late pick.

OKC, already a #1 seed, has 4 in 25 and 2 in 26...and 2 in 27.

[dremill24]

Regarding Kessler...

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Danny Ainge has spoken through Gambo


Gambo also tweeted out that Reed wouldn't be that much of a difference maker - almost like down playing his skill set
Granted, the Suns would never have been able to sign him off waivers like the Pistons - details, details

Isn't Kessler a free agent after this season? The Jazz prioritized Collins over him last year, unless Utah decides to reverse course and bump him up to starter I don't see why he would stick around.

Ainge can either cash in on him now, or watch Kessler walk(er) out of Utah in free agency. As for the Suns, they'd get Kessler's bird rights and can retain him after the summer.

He would only be a free agent if they declined his 4th year option on a cheap contract which will never happen. Hes got 2 more years and will be a RFA after that. Theres still plenty on team control on Kessler.

[Fo-Real]

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Best way to go!

[Mr Puddles]

Danny Ainge has spoken through Gambo


Gambo also tweeted out that Reed wouldn't be that much of a difference maker - almost like down playing his skill set
Granted, the Suns would never have been able to sign him off waivers like the Pistons - details, details

Isn't Kessler a free agent after this season? The Jazz prioritized Collins over him last year, unless Utah decides to reverse course and bump him up to starter I don't see why he would stick around.

Ainge can either cash in on him now, or watch Kessler walk(er) out of Utah in free agency. As for the Suns, they'd get Kessler's bird rights and can retain him after the summer.

He would only be a free agent if they declined his 4th year option on a cheap contract which will never happen. Hes got 2 more years and will be a RFA after that. Theres still plenty on team control on Kessler.

My bad, I misremembered Kessler being a second round pick, but now recall he's a late first rounder they got from Minnesota in the gobert trade.

[dremill24]

Isn't Kessler a free agent after this season? The Jazz prioritized Collins over him last year, unless Utah decides to reverse course and bump him up to starter I don't see why he would stick around.

Ainge can either cash in on him now, or watch Kessler walk(er) out of Utah in free agency. As for the Suns, they'd get Kessler's bird rights and can retain him after the summer.

He would only be a free agent if they declined his 4th year option on a cheap contract which will never happen. Hes got 2 more years and will be a RFA after that. Theres still plenty on team control on Kessler.

My bad, I misremembered Kessler being a second round pick, but now recall he's a late first rounder they got from Minnesota in the gobert trade.

Maybe thinking of Kessler Edwards?

[Mr Puddles]

He would only be a free agent if they declined his 4th year option on a cheap contract which will never happen. Hes got 2 more years and will be a RFA after that. Theres still plenty on team control on Kessler.

My bad, I misremembered Kessler being a second round pick, but now recall he's a late first rounder they got from Minnesota in the gobert trade.

Maybe thinking of Kessler Edwards?

Yeah, I'll go with that excuse

[garrick]

Re: James Jones being idiotic with draft choices

None of that is surprising. I’ve said it before that 99% of people on this Suns board would draft, trade and sign FAs better than James Jones has done in the last 5 years. If you watch James Jones in interviews, he comes off incredibly smug and likes to pretend like he’s done some incredible job and that he’s smarter than everyone else.

He even said BS like he thinks no team has unlocked KD’s potential and that the Suns are gonna be the first team do it when KD’s 36 yrs old. At the end of the day, a small minority of fans like Sabestar, Slimm etc eat all that BS up so he’s gonna continue doing it.

People complain about LeBron’s kid being drafted in the 2nd rd as nepotism…no, real nepotism is a clown like James Jones getting a job he’s ENTIRELY unqualified for just due to having been a journeyman scrub in the NBA.

For Ishbia, he’s perfect because he’s a great “yes man”. Any other NBA exec like Bob Myers would have self respect and would demand to call the shots themselves so of course Ishbia isn’t gonna hire someone successful and experienced like that.

James Jones is a DEI hire.

He knows how to talk a good game but he's just a coaster who quit trying after the 2021 season and was happy to just keep mailing it in and caching in his paycheck for very little work done.

JJ defenders say that Sarver was holding him back and meddling but nothing was stopping JJ when he hired Monty and traded for CP3 so I don't believe that his hands were tied. He simply stopped trying to be good at his job.

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Honestly, I'm more pissed off about this than missing out on Doncic. I was high on Doncic since day 1, but I atleast understood the justification of drafting Ayton (even though I had my doubt about him).

Haliburton was such an obvious fit. Have him play under Paul for two seasons and then let him take over the reigns. The fact that he slipped to us was a shock, and the fact that we passed up on him was an even bigger shock

Yeah, I mean I really wanted Luka but it was obvious to me with McD that we were never going to draft him, after we got the top pick. Had we gotten like the 3rd pick I think we may have (but wouldn't be surprised if we made a trade similar to what Atlanta did).

With Halilburton it was a crazy great opportunity and then it wasn't only by far the BPA but it was by far our biggest need long term. And we took some guy not even projected in the first round.

It's very obvious that it was Sarver's call to pass on Luka for Ayton. He's the UA alum. I don't know why this narrative gets posted all the time. McD has said as much. I don't feel like looking it up but there's a clip to him on TV saying basically "well I hired his national team coach, so that should tell you where my mind was"

Sarver's call.

[Mulhollanddrive]

The bench will actually be Beal though.

Bench Stagger 1st Quarter -
Morris, Booker, Allen, Durant, Plumlee

Bench Stagger 2nd Quarter -
Beal, Allen, Okogie, Bol, Nurkic

Even with Morris, Beal plays 30 mins at PG which needs to be better than last year or we may as well give up.

[Frank Lee]

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In case anyone wants to be mad today

Honestly, I'm more pissed off about this than missing out on Doncic. I was high on Doncic since day 1, but I atleast understood the justification of drafting Ayton (even though I had my doubt about him).

Haliburton was such an obvious fit. Have him play under Paul for two seasons and then let him take over the reigns. The fact that he slipped to us was a shock, and the fact that we passed up on him was an even bigger shock

Yeah, I mean I really wanted Luka but it was obvious to me with McD that we were never going to draft him, after we got the top pick. Had we gotten like the 3rd pick I think we may have (but wouldn't be surprised if we made a trade similar to what Atlanta did).

With Halilburton it was a crazy great opportunity and then it wasn't only by far the BPA but it was by far our biggest need long term. And we took some guy not even projected in the first round.

And bend over ungreased to get rid of him. Made zero sense. Egregious.

Common thread over the past 10+ …. GMs who are mediocre at best