Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[jamrock1975]

Knicks fan here not trolling at all. Just checked on the boards to see what was going on. I feel bad for your fans because this must seem like torture with all the rumors swirling around. I don't know why the Front Office wont start engaging other teams such as the Pacers for Danny Granger or Andgre Iguadola from the Sixers even if it's just bluffing to get Denver to play ball. It clearly appears as if Denver is trying to rape you guys with all of these demands. They did the same thing the last time around and trade rumors went away, now they are doing it again.

I also saw the report about the owner pushing for the trade, he clearly doesn't understand how the nba works and is not allowing the Front office to do their job. He is putting them in a very bad bargaining position because it is now clear to the world that he will do almost anything to get melo in a nets uniform. What he doesn't have is patience clearly. Those draft picks and cap flexibility the nets have can be parlayed into better returns.

There are other ways to build the team if Denver doesn't want to be fair and you guys can go the Oklahoma, San Antonio route. Call Portland see what it would take to get Batum, call Oklahoma and see what it would take to get Jeff Green. David West becomes a free agent next year upgrade the power forward position if Favors is not ready. With all the hope that the new billionaire owner would be good for the nets he seems to be making things a lot stickier and maybe that's the reason why Rod Thorn left

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah pretty much, although the Proky wanting Melo at all costs thing might be a bit overblown, maybe a tactic thrown in the mix by the Rockets or Knicks.
I doubt it though, I think he just wants the star that bad to market his new toy.

[Rich Rane]

What does our cap situation look like down the line AFTER Melo signs his extension plus taking on Harrington's contract and keeping Outlaw? Brook might need an extension after this year also.

Are we talking with or without Rip?

Damn it, I completely forgot about him. With him too.

[vincecarter4pres]

What does our cap situation look like down the line AFTER Melo signs his extension plus taking on Harrington's contract and keeping Outlaw? Brook might need an extension after this year also.

Are we talking with or without Rip?

Damn it, I completely forgot about him. With him too.

OK, I'm just gonna do a rough estimate right now, I'll do it exact a little later, I promise.

It will also wind up different depending on what players we send out, but I'm going to assume Devin, Chocolate Rain and Petro are no longer on the team.

Without Rip's buyout...
About $54 million including 5 cap holds for roster spots, plus Brook's estimated $7.8 million cap hold and this isn't including any free agent signings and this is also not including any draft picks we have left and retained, nor resigning Hump, Sasha or Chauncey.

The roster breakdown would be:
Melo
Brook's cap hold
Outlaw
Farmar
Al Harrington
Damion James
Rip
5 roster spot cap holds at approximately $440 K each.

For a grand total of $61.8 million and that's before Brook gets his real extension that I assume will be in the neighborhood of a starting salary around $10 million, meaning the official # would be $about $64 million plus the inevitable 2 years of MLE, plus BAE, plus any of our FA's we retained through Bird Rights.

Deduct $3.5 million if you buy Rip out and add another $440 K for his roster spot hold.

Basically the team is completely capped out, actually over it, with absolutely no way to sign a big time impact free agent, just the MLE and no starting point guard or shooting guard and no backup center with Al Harrington as our starting power forward.

This is all for 2012.

It's eerily similar this coming offseason and if Chauncey wanted us to pick up his option we're in luxo tax territory next year, even including that Brook's salary would be about $3 million in comparison with his $7.8 million cap hold in 2012.

We become a super limited upside bottom 4 seeded playoff team with no real assets to dramatically improve unless Dark Lord Stern gifts us Chris Paul or we draft an instant super star with a pick in the late teens to early 20's.

Capped out, old, devoid of assets and the players we have Bird Rights too aren't even really worth resigning and going into the tax for.

Oooh, bring me some Melo though, I love me some Melo, give me a double dose of Melo, cause then weez contendazz.

[easiestplayfts]

Oh, but did u bother to look at his stats before that week? You know the stats for the other 20+ games he played. Oh and how did he fair tonight? 1-9 (0-4 3pt FGs). Yeah, sounds like pure gold to me.

Chauncey has been to 7 conference finals, 2 NBA finals , NBA championship/finals MVP, a Gold metal in Turkey, sportsmanship award and more (must I go on?). That is too good of a career to rot/end in NJ.
Sorry.

Yeah....its about HALF as good a career as Kidd had. You recall Jason Kidd in a NJ uniform smacking the Pistons around on more than one occasion don't you?

Wait a minute...first this has nothing to do with Kidd, I respect J. Kidd and rooted for the Nets in the finals 2002 (I hated the Lakers) and 2003 (I don't like the Spurs). I still hope Kidd can win a championship before the end of his career is over. Go Dallas.

Secondly Chauncey is going to ask for a buyout and good.... because there are rumors that the Heat and other contending teams will try to pick him up. I dont think this trade benefits Chauncey or the Nets in the long run.

As far as the Nets and Pistons, the 2 teams only met in the ECF (edit) twice in 2003 and 2004, Billups first year with the Pistons was 2003. In 2004 the ECF... Detroit Pistons over New Jersey Nets (4-3). After that the Nets only made it past the first or second round in the playoffs (I think) ...while the Pistons went to 6 ECFs. I don't see the Nets as being much of a competition for the 2004-2008 Pistons?

[vincecarter4pres]

Secondly Chauncey is going to ask for a buyout and good.... because there are rumors that the Heat and other contending teams will try to pick him up. I dont think this trade benefits Chauncey or the Nets in the long run.

I will lose all respect for Chauncey if he goes ring chasing with the cHeat.

I assume he'll latch on with a contender, hopefully as a starter, but certain teams and I will lose all respect for him.

And from what I've heard he isn't going to immediately push for a buyout, he'll stay the season in NJ, but he wants to be bought out of his final year or get an extension.

[easiestplayfts]

Secondly Chauncey is going to ask for a buyout and good.... because there are rumors that the Heat and other contending teams will try to pick him up. I dont think this trade benefits Chauncey or the Nets in the long run.

I will lose all respect for Chauncey if he goes ring chasing with the cHeat.

I assume he'll latch on with a contender, hopefully as a starter, but certain teams and I will lose all respect for him.

And from what I've heard he isn't going to immediately push for a buyout, he'll stay the season in NJ, but he wants to be bought out of his final year or get an extension.

I don't think Chauncey is a ring chaser either ....but there are a lot of articles like this on the internet.

http://www.sportsreport360.com/2011/01/ ... iami-heat/

[jerseyjac]

Prokhorov would have even been open to the idea of making a deal without an extension for Anthony because of a belief he could sway him over the next few months. The risk would be enormous: Gut your team, give up picks and lose Anthony to free agency in the summer? Management understands it could set the franchise back years, but Prokhorov’s confidence in himself has no limits. Still, he doesn’t understand the business of the NBA, the way he does his billion-dollar industries in Russia.

where was this quoted from...link? (talentful)

[JasonDaPsycho]

I'm a Suns fan so I'm really an outsider.

I just think the Nuggets has overestimated the power they have on the bargaining table. They don't have too many leverages really. They'll either receive offers of some decent (but not guaranteed all-star types) prospects or let Melo walk and be stuck with Al Harrington. They should be feeling lucky when the Nets (with all due respect) is foolish enough to offer Derrick Favors and a bunch of first round picks for him.

I'd say stay put and wait till late February. I guarantee you the Nuggets will come crying for something. Then you guys don't even have to send them the picks.

You didn't have to include this.

But seriously, most of the Nets posters here, including me, agree with you.

I just don't see the point in dealing for Melo. There's an 80% chance he'll leave and it doesn't put you in a good financial situation either. Hell you guys won't be contending with the remaining members of the team and don't have enough legit prospects (other than Brook Lopez) after sending away Derrick Favors as well as the first rounders.
It will be right down there with the Suns this year. One all-star player with a couple of role players and mostly scrubs.

[vincecarter4pres]

Prokhorov would have even been open to the idea of making a deal without an extension for Anthony because of a belief he could sway him over the next few months. The risk would be enormous: Gut your team, give up picks and lose Anthony to free agency in the summer? Management understands it could set the franchise back years, but Prokhorov’s confidence in himself has no limits. Still, he doesn’t understand the business of the NBA, the way he does his billion-dollar industries in Russia.

where was this quoted from...link? (talentful)

I remember reading this as well, I think it was Broussard.

[Jersey Generals]

No, it was Woj.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhqgRRs5p.fKyWMSSi4TdrW8vLYF?slug=aw-netspistonstalks010711

[jamrock1975]

Knick fan here. Guys I think what's causing hesitation about Melo signing an extension with you guys is they same thing we experienced last summer with Lebron, Lebron didn't think that we had enough talent to win and he said he wasn't into saving franchises and that's with a signed Stoudemire. Superstars are hesistant to give up some of their prime years for maybe, they want to play with proven players. What has messed up this sitution with Melo is that New Jersey didn't sign a proven "all star" or 'super star" this summer even though they had the cap room. They could have signed boozers but offered close to what he is getting with the bulls, they could have signed stoudmire but didn't . If the nets had signed Stoudemire this past summer melo would have already been with the Nets. They signed too many role players as a matter of fact all role players and gave out long contracts. I don't know if that was the work of Rod Thorn or pressure from the owner but it doesn't appear to be a Rod Thorn kind of free agent signing. Then Thorn just ups and leaves and goes to Philadelphia to become their GM. Does anyone not find that strange that the owner might have deep pockets but he maybe meddling too much? Dont kill me just asking a question

[JoseRizal]

Funny thing is, when the proposed deal collapsed Mr. Sheridan surfaces again to report about his so called "souces"... I did not hear from him when the deal was close to fruition...

[jman3134]

Anyone hear what Tony Kornheiser had to say about the Melo trade?....mainly that the Knicks have such an influence on the Nets' decision making because Denver can just threaten to send Melo to the Knicks.

I disagree completely. If the Knicks want to accept Melo and trade some of the role players that have made them pretty decent this season, good for them.

[Rich Rane]

OK, I'm just gonna do a rough estimate right now, I'll do it exact a little later, I promise.

It will also wind up different depending on what players we send out, but I'm going to assume Devin, Chocolate Rain and Petro are no longer on the team.

Without Rip's buyout...
About $54 million including 5 cap holds for roster spots, plus Brook's estimated $7.8 million cap hold and this isn't including any free agent signings and this is also not including any draft picks we have left and retained, nor resigning Hump, Sasha or Chauncey.

The roster breakdown would be:
Melo
Brook's cap hold
Outlaw
Farmar
Al Harrington
Damion James
Rip
5 roster spot cap holds at approximately $440 K each.

For a grand total of $61.8 million and that's before Brook gets his real extension that I assume will be in the neighborhood of a starting salary around $10 million, meaning the official # would be $about $64 million plus the inevitable 2 years of MLE, plus BAE, plus any of our FA's we retained through Bird Rights.

Deduct $3.5 million if you buy Rip out and add another $440 K for his roster spot hold.

Basically the team is completely capped out, actually over it, with absolutely no way to sign a big time impact free agent, just the MLE and no starting point guard or shooting guard and no backup center with Al Harrington as our starting power forward.

This is all for 2012.

It's eerily similar this coming offseason and if Chauncey wanted us to pick up his option we're in luxo tax territory next year, even including that Brook's salary would be about $3 million in comparison with his $7.8 million cap hold in 2012.

We become a super limited upside bottom 4 seeded playoff team with no real assets to dramatically improve unless Dark Lord Stern gifts us Chris Paul or we draft an instant super star with a pick in the late teens to early 20's.

Capped out, old, devoid of assets and the players we have Bird Rights too aren't even really worth resigning and going into the tax for.

Oooh, bring me some Melo though, I love me some Melo, give me a double dose of Melo, cause then weez contendazz.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VPd-fy00rI[/youtube]

[vincecarter4pres]

OK, I'm just gonna do a rough estimate right now, I'll do it exact a little later, I promise.

It will also wind up different depending on what players we send out, but I'm going to assume Devin, Chocolate Rain and Petro are no longer on the team.

Without Rip's buyout...
About $54 million including 5 cap holds for roster spots, plus Brook's estimated $7.8 million cap hold and this isn't including any free agent signings and this is also not including any draft picks we have left and retained, nor resigning Hump, Sasha or Chauncey.

The roster breakdown would be:
Melo
Brook's cap hold
Outlaw
Farmar
Al Harrington
Damion James
Rip
5 roster spot cap holds at approximately $440 K each.

For a grand total of $61.8 million and that's before Brook gets his real extension that I assume will be in the neighborhood of a starting salary around $10 million, meaning the official # would be $about $64 million plus the inevitable 2 years of MLE, plus BAE, plus any of our FA's we retained through Bird Rights.

Deduct $3.5 million if you buy Rip out and add another $440 K for his roster spot hold.

Basically the team is completely capped out, actually over it, with absolutely no way to sign a big time impact free agent, just the MLE and no starting point guard or shooting guard and no backup center with Al Harrington as our starting power forward.

This is all for 2012.

It's eerily similar this coming offseason and if Chauncey wanted us to pick up his option we're in luxo tax territory next year, even including that Brook's salary would be about $3 million in comparison with his $7.8 million cap hold in 2012.

We become a super limited upside bottom 4 seeded playoff team with no real assets to dramatically improve unless Dark Lord Stern gifts us Chris Paul or we draft an instant super star with a pick in the late teens to early 20's.

Capped out, old, devoid of assets and the players we have Bird Rights too aren't even really worth resigning and going into the tax for.

Oooh, bring me some Melo though, I love me some Melo, give me a double dose of Melo, cause then weez contendazz.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VPd-fy00rI[/youtube]

[vincecarter4pres]

It's kind of funny how wildly different the opinion of this trade is from this board to ND.

I'd say 90 percent of the posters over there are drooling over this deal and here it's like 90% of us hate it.

[Shark]

Anyone hear what Tony Kornheiser had to say about the Melo trade?....mainly that the Knicks have such an influence on the Nets' decision making because Denver can just threaten to send Melo to the Knicks.

I disagree completely. If the Knicks want to accept Melo and trade some of the role players that have made them pretty decent this season, good for them.

Yeah, I'd like to see the Nuggets play the same games they have been playing with us for the past 3-4 months with a new team. There's only a month until the trade deadline, if they want to screw themselves like that then by all means they can go ahead and do so.

[blindchicken11]

we should sign sheed when he comes out of retirement

[Jersey Generals]

I tell you, if this Carmelo deal goes down, and the Nuggets do get Batum and Favors, they could have a great defensive team in their primes. Favors, Batum, and Afflalo? If they were to get a stud man-to-man defender in the post that can lock down the pain, look out.