Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

[Nuntius]

A lot of people are trying to rationalize like Artest has something we take for granted...perspective. His complete lack of perspective is what makes him such a hilarious character with many of his quotes and antics. It is reflected in the fact he changed his name legally to METTA WORLD PEACE. It is also something that can be a severe danger on the court because he does not possess the abiliy to rationally think things through like the majority of us do....ESPECIALLY when his adrenaline is pumping to the max after he has just delivered a huge dunk for example..or had beer thrown at him.

Nail meet coffin.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

A lot of people are trying to rationalize like Artest has something we take for granted...perspective. His complete lack of perspective is what makes him such a hilarious character with many of his quotes and antics. It is reflected in the fact he changed his name legally to METTA WORLD PEACE. It is also something that can be a severe danger on the court because he does not possess the abiliy to rationally think things through like the majority of us do....ESPECIALLY when his adrenaline is pumping to the max after he has just delivered a huge dunk for example..or had beer thrown at him.

Nail meet coffin.

The counter argument is that Harden was deliberately looking to make contact with Artest, it was not a basketball move by Harden, it served his team in no way but to aggravate Artest, and he proved why this flopping crap has got to go.

Artest has done a few really really violent things in his career, but Hockey has more fights than NBA and no1 really cares or seriously thinks its gonna impact the next generation.

If anything this is a signal to the NBA to make flopping less cool, which Harden was there to do, flop. Its a shame he got hit with a legitimate elbow, but he was coached to believe that messing with a guy after a high impact play was safe and could win the team a tech. That isn't basketball and that is what people are missing with this incident.

[SVictor]

Again: If you only watch the slow-mo close up shot, it looks 99% like Harden goes for the contact to provoke Artest. If you watch the general shot, the TV shot, you'll realize he was just waiting for Ibaka/Perkins to inbound the ball.

Inexcusable.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKxuxN_hYg<[/youtube]

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

Again: If you only watch the slow-mo close up shot, it looks 99% like Harden goes for the contact to provoke Artest. If you watch the general shot, the TV shot, you'll realize he was just waiting for Ibaka/Perkins to inbound the ball.

Inexcusable.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKxuxN_hYg<[/youtube]

No.. I've watched it atleast 30 times... Harden makes an effort to simply get in Artests way... Westbrook and Durant were there to take the inbounds pass. Harden was just looking for drama, and he got it. End of story, read my previous post for why I think Harden is the problem more than Artest

[BBgun]

Again: If you only watch the slow-mo close up shot, it looks 99% like Harden goes for the contact to provoke Artest. If you watch the general shot, the TV shot, you'll realize he was just waiting for Ibaka/Perkins to inbound the ball.

Inexcusable.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKxuxN_hYg<[/youtube]

SERIOUSLY! People are blowing this so out of proportion. "Its basically Hardens fault. He ran up to Artest to block his path and was taunting him and flopping like a fish and secretly asked Artest to elbow him in the head so he can get sympathy because he wasn't loved as a child" and all this BS. the fact is...(and the real time replay shows this clearly) he was just trying to get to the ball for the inbounds pass. People claim Artest wasn't even looking at him, Harden was basically looking past Artest towards the ball as well. Harden did absolutely no wrong at all in this scenario. I LOL at the people acting like he had this mastermind plan to provoke Ron Ron.

[SVictor]

Again: If you only watch the slow-mo close up shot, it looks 99% like Harden goes for the contact to provoke Artest. If you watch the general shot, the TV shot, you'll realize he was just waiting for Ibaka/Perkins to inbound the ball.

Inexcusable.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKxuxN_hYg<[/youtube]

No.. I've watched it atleast 30 times... Harden makes an effort to simply get in Artests way... Westbrook and Durant were there to take the inbounds pass. Harden was just looking for drama, and he got it. End of story, read my previous post for why I think Harden is the problem more than Artest

I read it, and have read other posts about Harden's habit of provoking players this way, but I think this is not the case. Anyway, even if it was, it would be Artest's 90%+ fault. If a woman wears a mini-skirt and gets abused, it's not her fault for dressing provocative. Maybe i've gone too far with this example but you get what I mean.

[SVictor]

SERIOUSLY! People are blowing this so out of proportion. "Its basically Hardens fault. He ran up to Artest to block his path and was taunting him and flopping like a fish and secretly asked Artest to elbow him in the head so he can get sympathy because he wasn't loved as a child" and all this BS. the fact is...(and the real time replay shows this clearly) he was just trying to get to the ball for the inbounds pass. People claim Artest wasn't even looking at him, Harden was basically looking past Artest towards the ball as well. Harden did absolutely no wrong at all in this scenario. I LOL at the people acting like he had this mastermind plan to provoke Artest.

This.

[Nuntius]

The counter argument is that Harden was deliberately looking to make contact with Artest, it was not a basketball move by Harden, it served his team in no way but to aggravate Artest, and he proved why this flopping crap has got to go.

Artest has done a few really really violent things in his career, but Hockey has more fights than NBA and no1 really cares or seriously thinks its gonna impact the next generation.

If anything this is a signal to the NBA to make flopping less cool, which Harden was there to do, flop. Its a shame he got hit with a legitimate elbow, but he was coached to believe that messing with a guy after a high impact play was safe and could win the team a tech. That isn't basketball and that is what people are missing with this incident.

If it was any other player than Artest throwing that elbow I could understand this argument (as much as I disagree with it).

But the point is simple. No other player would throw an elbow like that.

You gotta do something about it because it's Ron Artest. He has proved times and times again that he is not mentally stable. And that's a serious issue.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

Again: If you only watch the slow-mo close up shot, it looks 99% like Harden goes for the contact to provoke Artest. If you watch the general shot, the TV shot, you'll realize he was just waiting for Ibaka/Perkins to inbound the ball.

Inexcusable.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKxuxN_hYg<[/youtube]

SERIOUSLY! People are blowing this so out of proportion. "Its basically Hardens fault. He ran up to Artest to block his path and was taunting him and flopping like a fish and secretly asked Artest to elbow him in the head so he can get sympathy because he wasn't loved as a child" and all this BS. the fact is...(and the real time replay shows this clearly) he was trying to get to the ball for the inbounds pass. Harden did absolutely no wrong at all in this scenario. I LOL at the people acting like he had this mastermind plan to provoke Artest.

You're dead wrong. Harden make a few shuffles to ENSURE he makes contact with Artest. I'm sorry, but he was looking for contact, he made ZERO effort to get out of Artests way. Read my previous posts, Harden was coached to do this kind of thing to spark retaliation, it worked.

So the question is does the NBA really want to deal with this kinda thing all the time? Artest isnt the only guy whos ever gonna act out of passion / adrenaline over a play, if you're coaching a team to aggravate people, you'd expect a few injuries in the process, that's just common sense.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

The counter argument is that Harden was deliberately looking to make contact with Artest, it was not a basketball move by Harden, it served his team in no way but to aggravate Artest, and he proved why this flopping crap has got to go.

Artest has done a few really really violent things in his career, but Hockey has more fights than NBA and no1 really cares or seriously thinks its gonna impact the next generation.

If anything this is a signal to the NBA to make flopping less cool, which Harden was there to do, flop. Its a shame he got hit with a legitimate elbow, but he was coached to believe that messing with a guy after a high impact play was safe and could win the team a tech. That isn't basketball and that is what people are missing with this incident.

If it was any other player than Artest throwing that elbow I could understand this argument (as much as I disagree with it).

But the point is simple. No other player would throw an elbow like that.

You gotta do something about it because it's Ron Artest. He has proved times and times again that he is not mentally stable. And that's a serious issue.

I will simply say that flopping has become more rampant lately in the NBA. It is still a fairly new phenomenon as far as strategic use goes.

Look at the Clippers, read what Monty Williams said about them, heres a coach who had food thrown at him by a fan a week or two ago and it didn't phase him, but he sees Reggie Evans take a dive over a point guards shove elbow and says "It's hard to play basketball when you have to deal with the flopping" (paraphrased)

Put a legitimate rule in to stop people flopping and all of a sudden it goes back to WHAT WE ALL WANT which is tough basketball, no-ones there to take a dive, everyone is playing hard and the refs can call it like they see it without the actors on the court getting emmy award foul calls.

[Nuntius]

I will simply say that flopping has become more rampant lately in the NBA. It is still a fairly new phenomenon as far as strategic use goes.

Look at the Clippers, read what Monty Williams said about them, heres a coach who had food thrown at him by a fan a week or two ago and it didn't phase him, but he sees Reggie Evans take a dive over a point guards shove elbow and says "It's hard to play basketball when you have to deal with the flopping" (paraphrased)

Put a legitimate rule in to stop people flopping and all of a sudden it goes back to WHAT WE ALL WANT which is tough basketball, no-ones there to take a dive, everyone is playing hard and the refs can call it like they see it without the actors on the court getting emmy award foul calls.

I agree with all of this post but this has nothing to do with that particular incident. Harden did not flop there. So, this discussion in this particular topic is moot.

On an irrelevant note:

I agree with your opinion on flopping but you have to accept that your opinion sounds funny when you have Chris Paul in your name

[rasta028]

I am probably over-reacting, but with his history, I wouldn't complain if Stern banned him from the NBA. That was disgusting. How can you let someone like that play in another game?

Uh yes you're overreacting, why hasn't anyone said a word about Ibaka breaking his nose? Haters will be haters!

[SVictor]

You're dead wrong. Harden make a few shuffles to ENSURE he makes contact with Artest. I'm sorry, but he was looking for contact, he made ZERO effort to get out of Artests way. Read my previous posts, Harden was coached to do this kind of thing to spark retaliation, it worked.

So the question is does the NBA really want to deal with this kinda thing all the time? Artest isnt the only guy whos ever gonna act out of passion / adrenaline over a play, if you're coaching a team to aggravate people, you'd expect a few injuries in the process, that's just common sense.

So this makes Harden to blame? The one who throws the blow is Artest.

Even if the case was that Harden deliberately looks for it, it is still Artest who pulls the trigger. I don't see how this is even a question, Artest is the agressor here. Artest's unstability is to blame.

Edit: unstability is not a word Instability

[BKing10]

Again: If you only watch the slow-mo close up shot, it looks 99% like Harden goes for the contact to provoke Artest. If you watch the general shot, the TV shot, you'll realize he was just waiting for Ibaka/Perkins to inbound the ball.

Inexcusable.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKxuxN_hYg<[/youtube]

SERIOUSLY! People are blowing this so out of proportion. "Its basically Hardens fault. He ran up to Artest to block his path and was taunting him and flopping like a fish and secretly asked Artest to elbow him in the head so he can get sympathy because he wasn't loved as a child" and all this BS. the fact is...(and the real time replay shows this clearly) he was just trying to get to the ball for the inbounds pass. People claim Artest wasn't even looking at him, Harden was basically looking past Artest towards the ball as well. Harden did absolutely no wrong at all in this scenario. I LOL at the people acting like he had this mastermind plan to provoke Ron Ron.

You can't have it both ways. You can't take Ron's previous actions into account when reviewing the incident and then just ignore that Harden does this all the time. But no, this one time Harden wasn't trying to make contact and provoke a tech with a flop because he was actually struck right? My first reaction without a replay was that Harden was flopping, that says it all right there. And if you purposely put yourself in a situation you could avoid you deserve partial blame for it. That's my stance

[Groove]

How was that a fighting stance? He just grabbed his balls.. Can someone explain please?

[rasta028]

LOL. Staples center crowd is complete trash. Just despicable on their part.

Ridiculous judging 16,000 people you're disgusting to even say this Mr.Perfect.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

You're dead wrong. Harden make a few shuffles to ENSURE he makes contact with Artest. I'm sorry, but he was looking for contact, he made ZERO effort to get out of Artests way. Read my previous posts, Harden was coached to do this kind of thing to spark retaliation, it worked.

So the question is does the NBA really want to deal with this kinda thing all the time? Artest isnt the only guy whos ever gonna act out of passion / adrenaline over a play, if you're coaching a team to aggravate people, you'd expect a few injuries in the process, that's just common sense.

So this makes Harden to blame? The one who throws the blow is Artest.

Even if the case was that Harden deliberately looks for it, it is still Artest who pulls the trigger. I don't see how this is even a question, Artest is the agressor here. Artest's unstability is to blame.

Show me a college clip where Harden deliberately gets in the face of a guy after he dunks on his team.

It never happened.

My point is that these guys are coached to aggravate opponents and flop, it wins techs, it wins flagrant fouls, they are taught that this kinda inciden NEVER HAPPENS. It's ok to PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU KNOW YOU ARE ASKING FOR A KING HIT because it'll help us win if it works and the league protects agitators.

[rasta028]

People prejudging, just like in the Zimmerman case, we don't know if Ron did it on purpose? We can only judge by what we saw, it happened so fast right in the middle of Artest celebrating and fired up, Stupid Harden got knocked the f#$k out man.......

[yayareaa]

the whole Thunder team provoke stuff like this into happening

did you guys see Ibaka push Dunleavy to the ground, stand over him, push him down again and grab his arm really really hard for no reason at all? the Thunder players were doing stuff like this all game long with little or no punishment from the referees or NBA.

Harden got what was coming to him so he can't really complain about it.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

I will simply say that flopping has become more rampant lately in the NBA. It is still a fairly new phenomenon as far as strategic use goes.

Look at the Clippers, read what Monty Williams said about them, heres a coach who had food thrown at him by a fan a week or two ago and it didn't phase him, but he sees Reggie Evans take a dive over a point guards shove elbow and says "It's hard to play basketball when you have to deal with the flopping" (paraphrased)

Put a legitimate rule in to stop people flopping and all of a sudden it goes back to WHAT WE ALL WANT which is tough basketball, no-ones there to take a dive, everyone is playing hard and the refs can call it like they see it without the actors on the court getting emmy award foul calls.

I agree with all of this post but this has nothing to do with that particular incident. Harden did not flop there. So, this discussion in this particular topic is moot.

On an irrelevant note:

I agree with your opinion on flopping but you have to accept that your opinion sounds funny when you have Chris Paul in your name

I love the Hornets first and foremost. I'm from Australia and was a huge Larry Johnson fan, fell in love with the brand, followed it through all the changes, and joined here at the time CP3 was new and dang good.

I kinda hate CP3 now as per my issues with flopping. But I will say, he is the best closer in the NBA, he can be quiet for 3 quarters and then destroy your whole team single handed. That is the reason I'm not ashamed of his name on my ID.

But NBA please stop him from flopping!