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Tobin's shtick is getting old with me. Too forced. Gotta be on the radio every day and start running out of new ideas. So old ones get run into the ground. These Dame posts here and on reddit are damn embarrassing

Pokuokic wrote:With the Bulls having a players only meeting 1 game into the season they got a lot of pieces Miami could use from LaVine/Vuc/PWilliams/Caruso/DD? Might be something to keep an eye on I have been saying as well Atlanta with Murray is another option if things don't play out how those teams expect.

We could use all of them. We need all the help we can get.

I feel like Herro would be a lot more effective if he was utilized the way Klay Thompson is. Lesser ball handling duties, lesser dribbles, more running across screens and passing back out if a shot is not immediately available.

He doesn't need to entirely mimic that as he's still an effective ball handler and playmaker at times, but finding the right balance is crucial.

This was pissing me off in the 4th, we made it way harder than it needed to be. Please get us someone that can get him the ball in the right spots…….yes I’m talking about Harden

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

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This was pissing me off in the 4th, we made it way harder than it needed to be. Please get us someone that can get him the ball in the right spots…….yes I’m talking about Harden

What is wrong with you people, do you not watch the whole play? It looked like a called play or at least a planned play.
Link to the video of the play.

If you notice at this particular time Butler is looking to pass hence attacking under the basket and using the out of bounds to get a better angle to pass to the other corner with Herro running to the corner for the pass. Bam isn't even open at that moment so Butler is already deciding to throw to the corner where Herro is moving to. Then if you notice Bam allows his defender to get position between himself and the basket so Bam can hold him off while Herro skips passes to a wide open Love (because of Bam's pick) for a 3.

Here's where everyone was a split second before the pass to the corner. Butler has looked at his options and is about to jump out of bounds to create a better angle to pass to the corner which at this point is his only option.


Here Bam isn't looking for a shot or position but actually running the play holding the defender to let Love be wide open with a skip pass from whoever has the ball in the corner which it was Herro who made that pass for his first assist of the game.


When PJ Tucker was in Miami, Bam, Butler and Lowry actively looked to pick the closest defender for the PF (Tucker) to get an open 3, it looks like that's a priority once again.

AirP. wrote:

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

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This was pissing me off in the 4th, we made it way harder than it needed to be. Please get us someone that can get him the ball in the right spots…….yes I’m talking about Harden

What is wrong with you people, do you not watch the whole play? It looked like a called play or at least a planned play.
Link to the video of the play.

If you notice at this particular time Butler is looking to pass hence attacking under the basket and using the out of bounds to get a better angle to pass to the other corner with Herro running to the corner for the pass. Bam isn't even open at that moment so Butler is already deciding to throw to the corner where Herro is moving to. Then if you notice Bam allows his defender to get position between himself and the basket so Bam can hold him off while Herro skips passes to a wide open Love (because of Bam's pick) for a 3.

Here's where everyone was a split second before the pass to the corner. Butler has looked at his options and is about to jump out of bounds to create a better angle to pass to the corner which at this point is his only option.


Here Bam isn't looking for a shot or position but actually running the play holding the defender to let Love be wide open with a skip pass from whoever has the ball in the corner which it was Herro who made that pass for his first assist of the game.


When PJ Tucker was in Miami, Bam, Butler and Lowry actively looked to pick the closest defender for the PF (Tucker) to get an open 3, it looks like that's a priority once again.

In my humble opinion you've become the real MVP of the Heat board.

Always insightful, articulate and patience.

I salute you sir, pls keep it up.

AirP. wrote:

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

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This was pissing me off in the 4th, we made it way harder than it needed to be. Please get us someone that can get him the ball in the right spots…….yes I’m talking about Harden

What is wrong with you people, do you not watch the whole play? It looked like a called play or at least a planned play.
Link to the video of the play.

If you notice at this particular time Butler is looking to pass hence attacking under the basket and using the out of bounds to get a better angle to pass to the other corner with Herro running to the corner for the pass. Bam isn't even open at that moment so Butler is already deciding to throw to the corner where Herro is moving to. Then if you notice Bam allows his defender to get position between himself and the basket so Bam can hold him off while Herro skips passes to a wide open Love (because of Bam's pick) for a 3.

Here's where everyone was a split second before the pass to the corner. Butler has looked at his options and is about to jump out of bounds to create a better angle to pass to the corner which at this point is his only option.


Here Bam isn't looking for a shot or position but actually running the play holding the defender to let Love be wide open with a skip pass from whoever has the ball in the corner which it was Herro who made that pass for his first assist of the game.


When PJ Tucker was in Miami, Bam, Butler and Lowry actively looked to pick the closest defender for the PF (Tucker) to get an open 3, it looks like that's a priority once again.

Did you watch the 4th quarter?

We need to add another scorer and something at PG. TJ and Buddy might do the trick. Harden fills both needs obviously.

Ultimately I still think we will have an elite defense when the playoffs roll around. It's the offense that worries me.

One thing that worried me is that Jimmy was blocked at least 3 times yesterday. JJJ once... Really????

Daffy wrote:Ultimately I still think we will have an elite defense when the playoffs roll around. It's the offense that worries me.

a good defense doesnt allow your opp to score 119 points on you . this defense has longs way to go

eddieheatfan wrote:

Daffy wrote:Ultimately I still think we will have an elite defense when the playoffs roll around. It's the offense that worries me.

a good defense doesnt allow your opp to score 119 points on you . this defense has longs way to go

True. Good point.
K. Lowry played well yesterday. Hierro played well.
However, the defense suffers with Lowry, Hierro, and Love play.

AirP. wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:We have the luck that 2/3rds of those guys would have gone down with injuries anyways for us.

Great games by Oubre and Dame for sure though. All the while Lowry dropping stink bombs! I hate Lowry.

Herro definitely needs to get to the line more. Hopefully he pecks for more contact while refs actually give him some calls. I saw Dame get some calls on the exact same type of contact that Herro would have had a no call for. Dame went to the line 17 times while Herro went to the line zero times. Give Herro those 17 free throws on top of his 16 pts and he has 33 pts for the night. Getting to the line needs to be part of Herro’s game and we need to help him be more likable by the refs to get those star type of calls.

Seeing Lillard get 17 FTs triggered a Herro needs those FTs instead of damn... that's how many shots Herro missed in an opening night 1 point victory? It just amazes me that I see so many excuses year after year for Herro vs damn, another game Herro missed as many or more shots than Bam took. He's not a dominate offensive force to just keep taking the same shots, when things aren't working for him he needs to adjust his game that particular night.

I agree 1000000% ... except that we have no better players clamoring for those shots. Herro fills a demand vacuum. Jimmy and Bam are all too happy to take a step back and let Herro be Herro.

Daffy wrote:Ultimately I still think we will have an elite defense when the playoffs roll around. It's the offense that worries me.

This and your last post, same issues we’ve had for years now that haven’t been addressed

eddieheatfan wrote:

Daffy wrote:Ultimately I still think we will have an elite defense when the playoffs roll around. It's the offense that worries me.

a good defense doesnt allow your opp to score 119 points on you . this defense has longs way to go

I think having Richardson, Highsmith, Caleb, and a motivated Jimmy will change that.

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

AirP. wrote:

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

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This was pissing me off in the 4th, we made it way harder than it needed to be. Please get us someone that can get him the ball in the right spots…….yes I’m talking about Harden

What is wrong with you people, do you not watch the whole play? It looked like a called play or at least a planned play.
Link to the video of the play.

If you notice at this particular time Butler is looking to pass hence attacking under the basket and using the out of bounds to get a better angle to pass to the other corner with Herro running to the corner for the pass. Bam isn't even open at that moment so Butler is already deciding to throw to the corner where Herro is moving to. Then if you notice Bam allows his defender to get position between himself and the basket so Bam can hold him off while Herro skips passes to a wide open Love (because of Bam's pick) for a 3.

Here's where everyone was a split second before the pass to the corner. Butler has looked at his options and is about to jump out of bounds to create a better angle to pass to the corner which at this point is his only option.

Spoiler:

Here Bam isn't looking for a shot or position but actually running the play holding the defender to let Love be wide open with a skip pass from whoever has the ball in the corner which it was Herro who made that pass for his first assist of the game.

Spoiler:

When PJ Tucker was in Miami, Bam, Butler and Lowry actively looked to pick the closest defender for the PF (Tucker) to get an open 3, it looks like that's a priority once again.

Did you watch the 4th quarter?

Yes and?

NBA.com does have pass tracking stats. Last year Butler passed the 2nd most passes to Bam(after Herro) at 6.4 passes per game but if we look at the opposite, the great passing big man only passed 5.3 times a game where as he passed to Herro 9.1. Do I need to start jumping up and down saying Bam isn't passing to Butler? You could have looked at actual stats to see if your bias was real or not.

Also, it's like people haven't noticed in the last 4 seasons that Butler looks for 3pt shooters, we've seen him give up easy points at the rim for himself to pass it out to an open 3pt shooter.

Butler's Passing Last Year.
Bam's Passing Last Year.

contract wrote:

AirP. wrote:

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:We have the luck that 2/3rds of those guys would have gone down with injuries anyways for us.

Great games by Oubre and Dame for sure though. All the while Lowry dropping stink bombs! I hate Lowry.

Herro definitely needs to get to the line more. Hopefully he pecks for more contact while refs actually give him some calls. I saw Dame get some calls on the exact same type of contact that Herro would have had a no call for. Dame went to the line 17 times while Herro went to the line zero times. Give Herro those 17 free throws on top of his 16 pts and he has 33 pts for the night. Getting to the line needs to be part of Herro’s game and we need to help him be more likable by the refs to get those star type of calls.

Seeing Lillard get 17 FTs triggered a Herro needs those FTs instead of damn... that's how many shots Herro missed in an opening night 1 point victory? It just amazes me that I see so many excuses year after year for Herro vs damn, another game Herro missed as many or more shots than Bam took. He's not a dominate offensive force to just keep taking the same shots, when things aren't working for him he needs to adjust his game that particular night.

I agree 1000000% ... except that we have no better players clamoring for those shots. Herro fills a demand vacuum. Jimmy and Bam are all too happy to take a step back and let Herro be Herro.

Yes and no, I'm fine with him getting the ball and shooting but he's still hunting with the ball which takes away chances for everyone else to get an open shot.

For instance, this year he's averaging 5 FGA when he takes 7+ dribbles and 6 shots with 3-6 dribbles, that's 11 shots a game of 3+ dribbles, at this point of time he's not a good enough offensive player to stop the offense for himself. That 11 shots is up form last year's 7.6 shots after taking 3+ dribbles per game.

I just don't see Herro dribbling a whole bunch beneficial now or in the future and it's a bad habit to get in for the playoffs when he'll be scouted and practiced against with better defenders which is why he's usually not good in the playoffs.

Herro Shooting Stats

Great stats AirP… to add to your point and more from an eye test, Butler also typically tries to take over at the end of games which means he starts to look for his own drive/shot over passing and if he does pass it, it’s usually a kick out after the defense collapsed on him.

Bam is never standing in the corner/wing waiting for a kick out, he is usually the one helping create the lanes and space for others which is why he doesn’t end up getting much passes from Butler at the end of games. Just my 2-cents.

AirP. wrote:

contract wrote:

AirP. wrote:Seeing Lillard get 17 FTs triggered a Herro needs those FTs instead of damn... that's how many shots Herro missed in an opening night 1 point victory? It just amazes me that I see so many excuses year after year for Herro vs damn, another game Herro missed as many or more shots than Bam took. He's not a dominate offensive force to just keep taking the same shots, when things aren't working for him he needs to adjust his game that particular night.

I agree 1000000% ... except that we have no better players clamoring for those shots. Herro fills a demand vacuum. Jimmy and Bam are all too happy to take a step back and let Herro be Herro.

Yes and no, I'm fine with him getting the ball and shooting but he's still hunting with the ball which takes away chances for everyone else to get an open shot.

For instance, this year he's averaging 5 FGA when he takes 7+ dribbles and 6 shots with 3-6 dribbles, that's 11 shots a game of 3+ dribbles, at this point of time he's not a good enough offensive player to stop the offense for himself. That 11 shots is up form last year's 7.6 shots after taking 3+ dribbles per game.

I just don't see Herro dribbling a whole bunch beneficial now or in the future and it's a bad habit to get in for the playoffs when he'll be scouted and practiced against with better defenders which is why he's usually not good in the playoffs.

Herro Shooting Stats

He definitely needs to be more decisive and intentional with his moves. As you have said, a Klay role may not be the worst option for him. We all want him to be like Booker, but I do not feel he has studied the game and greats like Booker has to be a hunter yet… with that being said, we do need him to have the ball in hand if we have any hopes of him developing those skills… even if it means growing pains. We go as far as Herro’s development this season takes us. Simple as that. We also need him to raise his value either for the sake of our success or the sake of a good trade.

We have to ride or die with Herro for a while in hopes the growing pains lead to Herro being valuable to us again.