Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[Wiltside]

Murray tonight, 35-10-6 on 50% shooting, 6-10 from 3. Outplayed Fox easily but Kings overall were too much.

I’ve been saying he’s being underrated in these parts for a while. He’s very good. Bad fit in ATL with Trae. Kinda like how Rozier is a bad fit in CHA with Lamelo.

[RexBoyWonder]

Murray tonight, 35-10-6 on 50% shooting, 6-10 from 3. Outplayed Fox easily but Kings overall were too much.

I’ve been saying he’s being underrated in these parts for a while. He’s very good. Bad fit in ATL with Trae. Kinda like how Rozier is a bad fit in CHA with Lamelo.

Serious question -

We know the Lakers deal gives the Hawks 1 FRP + 1 Swap,

We also know Terry could be had for 1 FRP

Why not get both?


In any case, I just hope we don't settle for one move. PG is the biggest need, but a 2 way PF is also a big need, and there's options out there that can be had.

[RexBoyWonder]

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We can create functional depth.

What we can't create is elite talent.

We need consolidation trades.

[VaDe255]

Murray tonight, 35-10-6 on 50% shooting, 6-10 from 3. Outplayed Fox easily but Kings overall were too much.

I’ve been saying he’s being underrated in these parts for a while. He’s very good. Bad fit in ATL with Trae. Kinda like how Rozier is a bad fit in CHA with Lamelo.

Serious question -

We know the Lakers deal gives the Hawks 1 FRP + 1 Swap,

We also know Terry could be had for 1 FRP

Why not get both?


In any case, I just hope we don't settle for one move. PG is the biggest need, but a 2 way PF is also a big need, and there's options out there that can be had.

1 pick/swap when Lebron is retired and AD is 35y; Those LA picks/swaps look like they have good lottery potential.
I'm usually not the one saying Miami's picks aren't that good, but in this case I think the LA offer is not as easy to beat.

I am also very sceptical this Terry deal is more than just rumors:
- Jimmy, Bam, Tyler, JJJ, Jovic, Love, Duncan, O.Robinson, Terry = 170m (and it's about 2.5m more for Herro contract bonuses that count against the apron)
- 189m is next years 2nd apron, it leaves Miami with about 16.5m more below the 2nd apron and already in the tax
- that means 5 more min guys (like TB, JR) to fill out the roster

Basically you're paying a ton of tax with Terry and have very little options to do any roster moves, don't see them putting themselves in such a position for Terry.

To me Tyus/Caruso/DLO look like more likely candidates for a PG trade, we'll see what happens.

[Pokuokic]

If they want a PF than Bey is probably the most likely since he's actually gettable and does not have massive salary/not to expensive maybe a straight up swap for Martin? Bey is more of a 3 but in todays NBA with so few quality 4's and most 4's being 3's it's not a bad move.

[marson]

If they want a PF than Bey is probably the most likely since he's actually gettable and does not have massive salary/not to expensive maybe a straight up swap for Martin? Bey is more of a 3 but in todays NBA with so few quality 4's and most 4's being 3's it's not a bad move.

Both are expiring so Hawks would want a young piece or a pick attached which is not a fair deal for us.

[twix2500]

Murray tonight, 35-10-6 on 50% shooting, 6-10 from 3. Outplayed Fox easily but Kings overall were too much.

I’ve been saying he’s being underrated in these parts for a while. He’s very good. Bad fit in ATL with Trae. Kinda like how Rozier is a bad fit in CHA with Lamelo.

Serious question -

We know the Lakers deal gives the Hawks 1 FRP + 1 Swap,

We also know Terry could be had for 1 FRP

Why not get both?


In any case, I just hope we don't settle for one move. PG is the biggest need, but a 2 way PF is also a big need, and there's options out there that can be had.

Woj reported and I posted it earlier, the Hawks want 3 FRP and a swap for Murray. They want to recoup what they lost or they willing to keep him

[MorbidHEAT]

I’ve been saying he’s being underrated in these parts for a while. He’s very good. Bad fit in ATL with Trae. Kinda like how Rozier is a bad fit in CHA with Lamelo.

Serious question -

We know the Lakers deal gives the Hawks 1 FRP + 1 Swap,

We also know Terry could be had for 1 FRP

Why not get both?


In any case, I just hope we don't settle for one move. PG is the biggest need, but a 2 way PF is also a big need, and there's options out there that can be had.

Woj reported and I posted it earlier, the Hawks want 3 FRP and a swap for Murray. They want to recoup what they lost or they willing to keep him

The Hawks do not bluff about that. They held on to John Collins for a long time.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’ve been saying he’s being underrated in these parts for a while. He’s very good. Bad fit in ATL with Trae. Kinda like how Rozier is a bad fit in CHA with Lamelo.

Serious question -

We know the Lakers deal gives the Hawks 1 FRP + 1 Swap,

We also know Terry could be had for 1 FRP

Why not get both?


In any case, I just hope we don't settle for one move. PG is the biggest need, but a 2 way PF is also a big need, and there's options out there that can be had.

Woj reported and I posted it earlier, the Hawks want 3 FRP and a swap for Murray. They want to recoup what they lost or they willing to keep him

Yup. Unless the Hawks are going bankrupt they are not just going to give Murray away. And the notion of the Heat getting both Rozier and Murray is absurd. As if the other teams in the league wouldn’t have a say to beat some of these low ball media offers. Another player not mentioned going back to the Hawks is the 16th pick last year in Jalen Hood Schifino. Spurs are really the one team that can give the Hawks what they want but if the Lakers find that third team for Russell that gets them that extra asset then Murray will be in LA.

[IceColdCubano]

Serious question -

We know the Lakers deal gives the Hawks 1 FRP + 1 Swap,

We also know Terry could be had for 1 FRP

Why not get both?


In any case, I just hope we don't settle for one move. PG is the biggest need, but a 2 way PF is also a big need, and there's options out there that can be had.

Woj reported and I posted it earlier, the Hawks want 3 FRP and a swap for Murray. They want to recoup what they lost or they willing to keep him

Yup. Unless the Hawks are going bankrupt they are not just going to give Murray away. And the notion of the Heat getting both Rozier and Murray is absurd. As if the other teams in the league wouldn’t have a say to beat some of these low ball media offers. Another player not mentioned going back to the Hawks is the 16th pick last year in Jalen Hood Schifino. Spurs are really the one team that can give the Hawks they want but if the Lakers find that third team for Russell that gets them that extra asset then Murray will be in LA.

Heres a thought send Tyler Herro & Caleb Martin to Atlanta, Get Murray and Filler back with 1 FRP,(re-route the FRP + Add 2 FRP's + Lowry to Utah for Lauri Markanen). 3 team trade between Miami, Atlanta , Utah.

End up with Murray, Duncan, Jimmy, Lauri, Bam. with JJJ as our six man.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Woj reported and I posted it earlier, the Hawks want 3 FRP and a swap for Murray. They want to recoup what they lost or they willing to keep him

Yup. Unless the Hawks are going bankrupt they are not just going to give Murray away. And the notion of the Heat getting both Rozier and Murray is absurd. As if the other teams in the league wouldn’t have a say to beat some of these low ball media offers. Another player not mentioned going back to the Hawks is the 16th pick last year in Jalen Hood Schifino. Spurs are really the one team that can give the Hawks they want but if the Lakers find that third team for Russell that gets them that extra asset then Murray will be in LA.

Heres a thought send Tyler Herro & Caleb Martin to Atlanta, Get Murray and Filler back with 1 FRP,(re-route the FRP + Add 2 FRP's + Lowry to Utah for Lauri Markanen). 3 team trade between Miami, Atlanta , Utah.

End up with Murray, Duncan, Jimmy, Lauri, Bam. with JJJ as our six man.

Lauri is untouchable they’re saying now, but I like your idea and we can still flip Lowry with assets to Utah for some combination of Sexton, KO, Dunn, Clarkson. Herro is easily replaced in that trade and we add additional depth where it’s needed with KO

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can someone post Woj saying they want 3 1sts for DJM? I must’ve missed that, they’re not getting that by the way.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Murray tonight, 35-10-6 on 50% shooting, 6-10 from 3. Outplayed Fox easily but Kings overall were too much.

I’ve been saying he’s being underrated in these parts for a while. He’s very good. Bad fit in ATL with Trae. Kinda like how Rozier is a bad fit in CHA with Lamelo.

He would be a great pickup and such a perfect fit on both sides of the ball.

Averaging 27.5-6-9 without Trae with efficient scoring

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ok I saw what Woj said, they’re trying to recoup as much of that deal as possible in the way I took it, not the asking price is 3 1sts. They’re not getting that, so far they’ve had no interest in anyone being willing to send 2 1sts. The first team to budge and do that is likely the team to get him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Get someone to get Bam some easy shots!!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

Woj reported and I posted it earlier, the Hawks want 3 FRP and a swap for Murray. They want to recoup what they lost or they willing to keep him

Yup. Unless the Hawks are going bankrupt they are not just going to give Murray away. And the notion of the Heat getting both Rozier and Murray is absurd. As if the other teams in the league wouldn’t have a say to beat some of these low ball media offers. Another player not mentioned going back to the Hawks is the 16th pick last year in Jalen Hood Schifino. Spurs are really the one team that can give the Hawks they want but if the Lakers find that third team for Russell that gets them that extra asset then Murray will be in LA.

Heres a thought send Tyler Herro & Caleb Martin to Atlanta, Get Murray and Filler back with 1 FRP,(re-route the FRP + Add 2 FRP's + Lowry to Utah for Lauri Markanen). 3 team trade between Miami, Atlanta , Utah.

End up with Murray, Duncan, Jimmy, Lauri, Bam. with JJJ as our six man.

Why is Atlanta trading for Herro when they already have Bogi and looking to shed salary?

[IceColdCubano]

Yup. Unless the Hawks are going bankrupt they are not just going to give Murray away. And the notion of the Heat getting both Rozier and Murray is absurd. As if the other teams in the league wouldn’t have a say to beat some of these low ball media offers. Another player not mentioned going back to the Hawks is the 16th pick last year in Jalen Hood Schifino. Spurs are really the one team that can give the Hawks they want but if the Lakers find that third team for Russell that gets them that extra asset then Murray will be in LA.

Heres a thought send Tyler Herro & Caleb Martin to Atlanta, Get Murray and Filler back with 1 FRP,(re-route the FRP + Add 2 FRP's + Lowry to Utah for Lauri Markanen). 3 team trade between Miami, Atlanta , Utah.

End up with Murray, Duncan, Jimmy, Lauri, Bam. with JJJ as our six man.

Why is Atlanta trading for Herro when they already have Bogi and looking to shed salary?

Its was just an example given, its to say you can flip Herro for a good decent player less than him and fill a position get perhaps a pick in return and then use the pick with Lowry's expiring and get even more value somewhere else, shoring the teams positional needs all over.

[BBallFreak]

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Murray is more expensive than Jrue. They wanted even cheaper than Jrue. What is the confusion?

Murray is cheaper and they were willing to give up the assets for a Jrue is what he’s saying

How do we know what they were willing to give up for Jrue? We didn't get him, did we?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lakers deal from what is being reported is PG Jalen Hood-Schifino(20 year old 16th pick 2023 6’6 PG/SG cost controlled prospect), 2029 1st rd pick unprotected, and additional draft compensation(could be swaps and 2nd rd picks) and rerouting D’Angelo Russell to 3rd team for assets.

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Heat all in offer excluding giving Hawks long term salary

Kyle Lowry(expiring)
Nikola Jovic (27th pick 2022)
2028 1st unprotected
2030 1st unrpotected
2026 2nd LAL
2027 pick swap

With these deals being relatively close and JHS being the better prospect over Jovic and Hawks most likely preference to deal him away from the conference. I just don’t see Murray coming here. Hawks are seeing if the Spurs are going to buckle and give them their picks back. Hawks getting there picks back is worth more to them then anything else cause they can pick and choose their future destiny.

[IceColdCubano]

Murray is more expensive than Jrue. They wanted even cheaper than Jrue. What is the confusion?

Murray is cheaper and they were willing to give up the assets for a Jrue is what he’s saying

How do we know what they were willing to give up for Jrue? We didn't get him, did we?

I think they are trying to do some funky correlation here doing some asset comparison, but without knowing what was offered, its really just a hypothesis or theory.

Like if you say that Jrue's value is greater than Murrays at the time to a contender in win now mode, I believe most of us would agree. Miami did not get Jrue, therefore offered less than what Boston offered, as that is as high as they were willing to go. Looking at our current situation where Murray may not tip the scales as hard as a Jrue would have, then Miami would probably offer less than the Jrue offer or perhaps equal to the Jrue offer. Meaning they won't even come close to getting Murray, specially if Atlanta asking price is higher than Jrues from a negotiation standpoint.