Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[Ironpanthr]

As far as Javale being considered a hero last night, good for him. Just one question to anyone that watched. I'm not a big advocate of plus/minus as a stat, but I did notice that last night's hero was -6 on the night, whereas Mosgov and Faried were +4 and +8 respectively. If Javale was beasting, last night, what is the explanation for this? I.e. did he happen to be in while the Lakers made a garbage time run?

[Nivek]

The big negative was the 4th quarter where it looks like Denver was -8 with McGee on the floor. However, Denver's goal wasn't necessarily to win each individual stretch of the game, it was to win The Game. All they needed to do in the 4th quarter was to not get outscored by 11 or more. And they succeeded in that. McGee's numbers suggest he had a roll in securing the win -- 4-5 from the floor, 4 rebounds and 2 blocks.

[Ironpanthr]

Thanks Nivec. Exactly why I don't rely on plus/minus when I don't watch a game. Good for Javale.

[tontoz]

He did and Denver won.

And so what? He had good games here too with similar statlines but the Wizards played much better without him.

Just because he put up stats doesn't make him a hero. He had plenty of big stat games here. He also dominated the "Not Top 10 List", played horrible defense, and was a complete black hole (4 assists in the series).

If Mcgee was so good Karl wouldn't be playing him off the bench behind nobodies.

[Induveca]

McGee played extremely well last night, I was sincerely happy for him......

He wouldn't have had that opportunity in DC anytime in the next three years if he stuck around.

You don't go through success like that in the playoffs and not walk out a better man. If it wasn't a contract year I'd be close to convinced he's turned the corner.

[BruceO]

So question could the wizards theoretically attempt to try and sign mcgee or nick young if they so chose to? Don't see it happen from both ends but just curious what rules apply

[BruceO]

So question could the wizards theoretically attempt to try and sign mcgee or nick young if they so chose to? Don't see it happen from both ends but just curious what rules apply

[BruceO]

So question could the wizards theoretically attempt to try and sign mcgee or nick young if they so chose to? Don't see it happen from both ends but just curious what rules apply

[dandridge 10]

Although I don't wish McGee bad luck or that he play poorly, I am a little curious why some on this board are such supporters of him. I am not trying to be an a**...just trying to understand. Aside from his poor play here, the guy never seemed take responsibility for his boneheaded plays or bad play here, appeared more interested in padding his stats than he appeared to care about winning and losing, and wasn't particularly charismatic or friendly to the public or the press. He wasn't some kind of underprivileged kid that made it big through sweat and hard work and there is nothing else in his background which would seem to cause someone to rally around him (sort of like Gilbert Arenas). I guess he did play with some energy, he could make some amazing dunks and block some shots. But, are these the only reasons why some people are so behind him?

[montestewart]

Something down the road could change my mind, but a few playoff games won't do it. I'm not interested in either one returning.

[tontoz]

So question could the wizards theoretically attempt to try and sign mcgee or nick young if they so chose to? Don't see it happen from both ends but just curious what rules apply

I don't think they would have the capspace for Mcgee unless they amnesty Blatche (in addition to the inevitable Shard buyout).

I can't believe people are lamenting Mcgee being gone. Have people forgotten Seraphin already? Have they forgotten how much better the defense was, even when Nene didn't play?

I can see people not wanting to take on Nene's salary. I can't see people upset about Mcgee being gone, especially given all that's happened since the trade.

[closg00]

We've got 6 picks in the next 2 drafts. Why do we need more? I'm just asking here, sure we can draft and stash someone, but the international players...there's probably 1 or 2 of them that might get drafted this year. I agree with the premise of accumulating assets but we're at a point where we need to consolidate them and acquire a player, not more picks.

You can trade picks too.

Btw, the pick we did get out of the trade ( next year?) is so heavily protected that we are not-likely to ever see it. We help Denver immensely by taking-on Nene's contract and couldnt even get one their two 2nd round picks or a future pick. Very surprising.

[Upper Decker]

I live in Denver and everyone, I mean everyone: co-workers, talk shows, news papers have a collective hard on for McGee after last night. They're literally talking like he's the second coming of Wilt. My only question is what will they be thinking about when Denvers locked into a 4/46 deal with McGee and plays like he did in games 1,2,4?

It's one thing when your a 7-foot prospect on a rookie deal while coming off the bench. It's a totally different thing when you're the second highest paid player, a corner-stone of the franchise, and you're terribly inconsistent. At times McGee looked like the best player in the series, and at times he's looked like the unquestionable worst player in the series.

McGee's had trouble with consistency his entire career. I don't see how that'll change because he lacks the instincts, IQ, and maturity to be an elite player, but he'll be paid like an elite player for sure.

[closg00]

I live in Denver and everyone, I mean everyone: co-workers, talk shows, news papers have a collective hard on for McGee after last night. They're literally talking like he's the second coming of Wilt. My only question is what will they be thinking about when Denvers locked into a 4/46 deal with McGee and plays like he did in games 1,2,4?

It's one thing when your a 7-foot prospect on a rookie deal while coming off the bench. It's a totally different thing when you're the second highest paid player, a corner-stone of the franchise, and you're terribly inconsistent. At times McGee looked like the best player in the series, and at times he's looked like the unquestionable worst player in the series.

McGee's had trouble with consistency his entire career. I don't see how that'll change because he lacks the instincts, IQ, and maturity to be an elite player, but he'll be paid like an elite player for sure.

Ok, you can put-away your sock-puppet and post under your non-puppet name now, you aren't fooling anyone.

[Dat2U]

I know the McGee hate is off the charts on this board, but to ignore the fact that McGee stepped up and played well on a big time stage is a bit insincere.

Were talking about the playoffs. Against arguably the biggest & best frontline in the league in the Lakers and clearly the best big man in basketball outside of an injured Dwight Howard in Andrew Bynum and Javale McGee is holding his own and even excelling.

Yet I'm reading posts about "it's the same McGee" and "we've always seen signs of this" along with posts of impending free agency doom that will come over the team that signs him.

This is the playoffs against elite competition. This isn't some regular season game at Golden State with nothing on the line. This isn't against the Miami Heat backups.

For the majority of posters on the board who've said that McGee could never contribute for a winning team, that he's too stupid and would rot on the bench in the playoffs. Eat your crow and take it like a man!

As far as the Nene/McGee trade. McGee's performance isn't a referendum on the trade. It's just too early tell. Just like it was too early to tell if Nene is the right acquistion because we have no idea if he'll stay healthy or perform at a high level for most of his contract. And the only ones that assign value to 6 meaningless wins against inferior competition at the end of the season is the Wizards & their fans.

If anything, McGee's recent performance should raise the question of the environment & culture of the Wizards locker room where it gets to a point that we have to shed valuable young talent just to it make the locker room less toxic. Contrary to popular opinion, I don't believe McGee to be a knucklehead. Just a young kid that needed guidance and maybe a bit of micromanagement. Maybe it got to a point where McGee was not going to succeed here becaus of his history here however that's more of damning indictment on the front office here for allowing a culture of unaccountability to fester and a lack of discipline to be acceptible. It's almost like how EG allowed the Arenas era to go unchecked (cough Butler too, cough). The front office seems to have no problem watching the ship sink right in front of them until desperation sets in (see prior to Nene deal).

[DCZards]

Neither McGee nor Nick are knuckleheads, imo, and I wouldn't blame either of them for the sorry atmosphere surrounding the Zards organization or the persistent losing that took place when they were on the roster.

But it is worth noting that the locker room atmosphere, the oncourt seriousness and the overall play of the Zards improved signficantly with the subtraction of Nick and Javale and the addition of Nene and J. Singleton. So, at least for the moment, the trade looks like a win for the Zards (and probably Denver and the Clips), and EG deserves credit for that...since he is the person who made the trade for Nene and signed J. Singleton.

Not to mention that EG drafted this Seraphin kid who is beginning to look like he's gonna be quite a player.

[dandridge 10]

Dat,

I don't know of too many people on this board that said that McGee could not contribute to a winning team or that he would rot on the bench. However, many people have said that McGee is not likely a starting quality player on a winning team and worth 10+ million a year. I was one of them. And, two good playoff games are not going to change my mind. Let's see him do it consistently over a whole season and then I'll think about eating crow.

[shadester76]

As far as Javale being considered a hero last night, good for him. Just one question to anyone that watched. I'm not a big advocate of plus/minus as a stat, but I did notice that last night's hero was -6 on the night, whereas Mosgov and Faried were +4 and +8 respectively. If Javale was beasting, last night, what is the explanation for this? I.e. did he happen to be in while the Lakers made a garbage time run?

Kobe made 4 straight 3s in a row and Blake made a ridiculous half-court shot at the end of the shot clock. That's 15 points late in the 4th Qtr.

[Dat2U]

As far as Javale being considered a hero last night, good for him. Just one question to anyone that watched. I'm not a big advocate of plus/minus as a stat, but I did notice that last night's hero was -6 on the night, whereas Mosgov and Faried were +4 and +8 respectively. If Javale was beasting, last night, what is the explanation for this? I.e. did he happen to be in while the Lakers made a garbage time run?

+/- is an absolutely worthless statistic unless the sample size is large enough. There are too many variables to draw any conclusions based off one game or even a handful of games.

[Dat2U]

Dat,

I don't know of too many people on this board that said that McGee could not contribute to a winning team or that he would rot on the bench. However, many people have said that McGee is not likely a starting quality player on a winning team and worth 10+ million a year. I was one of them. And, two good playoff games are not going to change my mind. Let's see him do it consistently over a whole season and then I'll think about eating crow.

And as I stated in my post, Javale's performance isn't a referendum on the trade. But it IMO should knock off some of the ridiculous comments that have been posted. And not every poster is as level headed as you are. I certainly understand your concerns and had them myself. My position is moreso against the pure outright hate I've seen in the months after the trade and those that try to belittle an overall terrific performance by Javale in the playoffs thus far.