Draft prospects @ 10

[Chanse503]

http://youtu.be/C23SKXxYylQ

[DusterBuster]

Lord christ JEBUS!
Mathews isn't "That Guy" Reminds me of the guy who blocks for AP; while Peterson can reach 2500 yards that LG isn't relevant. Yeah Mathews is on a nice contract--lets face it--he is not that guy! Lets move up for a GM fav--athletic NUT--McLemore. This draft is exploited, all these GM are stinking too hard! We can come away with the diamond if we play our cards right! \
ONE Time! Lillard we bae that leader and coach McLemore will be that guy--I see this as a weird mental, nutty, thing--believe me--lol.

Dude, don't drink and post. Trying to decipher these things is hurting my brain.

[Chanse503]

If we settle in this draft--I'll be crippled!
So many options--up or down--we have that one chance!
Next year is a mulligan if I'm right?

[Chanse503]

Lord christ JEBUS!
Mathews isn't "That Guy" Reminds me of the guy who blocks for AP; while Peterson can reach 2500 yards that LG isn't relevant. Yeah Mathews is on a nice contract--lets face it--he is not that guy! Lets move up for a GM fav--athletic NUT--McLemore. This draft is exploited, all these GM are stinking too hard! We can come away with the diamond if we play our cards right! \
ONE Time! Lillard we bae that leader and coach McLemore will be that guy--I see this as a weird mental, nutty, thing--believe me--lol.

Dude, don't drink and post. Trying to decipher these things is hurting my brain.

You're right, fudge it though. When is the draft?
#10 is a interesting spot dang it! A spot to get better with this league!
While I doubt there is chance we can get my guy, there is an excellent chance to move down! might be out bext case senerio!

[DusterBuster]

I really hope Portland ends up with the bext case senerio.

[Chanse503]

I really hope Portland ends up with the bext case senerio.

Best case is: http://youtu.be/Bq81MxSSxvc .
i'll go to my grave in this draft!

[Chanse503]

I really hope Portland ends up with the bext case senerio.

Best case is: http://youtu.be/Bq81MxSSxvc .
i'll go to my grave in this draft!

F, I left for a Minute. Don't leave this thought http://youtu.be/Bq81MxSSxvc is that guy you fruits

[nickforthreee]

try and name 10 NBA SG's that are definitely better

kobe
wade
harden
Gordon
ellis
mayo
ray
Thompson
ginobili
beal
jr smith
jamal Crawford
danny green
paul George
tony allen
joe Johnson
demar derozan
vince carter
avery Bradley

edit: iman shumpert
Gordon Hayward
tobias harris
jimmy butler
jj redick
kevin martin
gallinari


that took me about 30 seconds and im probably forgetting a lot more.... wes Matthews is a good player, I like the guy. but he is nothing special. take off your homer glasses for 10 seconds. it would be the smart move to start a young player with potential then a guy who is likely a career role player. it doesn't even matter because kcp is going to the wolves anyway

[SinceClyde]

I disagree that half of those are better so it doesn't matter how quickly you did it.

[nickforthreee]

I disagree that half of those are better so it doesn't matter how quickly you did it.

if you disagree that half of those aren't better than wes Matthews, you are absolutely crazy. 99% of those guys you would trade Matthews for in a heartbeat. and if not id love to here an explanation why

[nickforthreee]

and don't let the excuse be you wouldn't want some of them because of their contracts etc etc.... the question was name sgs who are BETTER than wes. all of those guys with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 are DEFINITELY better.

[SinceClyde]

Maybe I would trade for them, but that would be because of a combination of age and contract, not ability and fit.

[SinceClyde]

That's your opinion and calling anyone with a different opinion crazy isn't called for.

[nickforthreee]

There's only one player being overrated here, that's a soon-to-be rookie who hasn't played a single second of NBA basketball and one poster who's claiming he's be a starter for a third of the NBA right off the bat. I certainly don't care if the Blazers pick KCP at 10, but nickforthree is crazy to think he'd start over some of the established SG's on some of those teams......

Cleveland - They just invested a #4 pick on Waiters last year, no way he starts over him.
Orlando - Possible I suppose since they're going young.
Charlotte - Sure, I'll buy it here since they got nothing at SG.
Phoenix - Again, sure, I'll buy it for them since, like Charlotte, they got nothing at SG.
Sacramento - Nope, not starting over Evans or getting minutes ahead of Thornton. He's struggle to see minutes here.
Detroit - He wouldn't start on Day 1 over Stuckey, but could be the starter mid-season or next year.
Minnesota - They're high on Shved. It would be a battle in training camp, but I'd give the edge to the sophomore, so no, he wouldn't start here imo.
Portland - Not a chance he'd start over Matthews, that's pretty silly. Even if you think he could be better a better player, there's no way Stotts would disrespect Wes by starting an unproven rook over him.
Sixers - No way he starts over Turner, they have too much invested in him.
Dallas - Like you said, depends if they resign Mayo.
Utah - Again, like you said, they'd have to move Haywood to the 3 and Williams to the bench. Don't see them doing that, so no, he wouldn't start here imo.

So of those 11 teams, he's only REALISTICALLY have a easy time starting on 3 of them. Then he'd have a chance at starting on 3 others. That's it.

Again, I'm not dissing Pope, I don't mind if Portland wants to draft him at 10, but I'm being realistic about what to expect from him out of his rookie season.

Cleveland - They just invested a #4 pick on Waiters last year, no way he starts over him. - they want waiters in a 6th man role and have talked about drafting mclemoreOrlando - Possible I suppose since they're going young.
Charlotte - Sure, I'll buy it here since they got nothing at SG.
Phoenix - Again, sure, I'll buy it for them since, like Charlotte, they got nothing at SG.
Sacramento - Nope, not starting over Evans or getting minutes ahead of Thornton. He's struggle to see minutes here. - that's a joke, right? evans doesn't even play sg and I doubt they want thornton to be their future. Francisco Garcia was starting over him for awhile until he got traded
Detroit He wouldn't start on Day 1 over Stuckey, but could be the starter mid-season or next year. - agreed, I never said he would start immediately, but by the end of the season I think he would. they aren't high on stuckey regardless and they started singler over him and moved him to 6th man Minnesota - They're high on Shved. It would be a battle in training camp, but I'd give the edge to the sophomore, so no, he wouldn't start here imo. - they aren't high on shved. at all. flip saunders said that he is a point guard and they are targeting a starting SG in the draft.... his only competition would be budinger
Portland - Not a chance he'd start over Matthews, that's pretty silly. Even if you think he could be better a better player, there's no way Stotts would disrespect Wes by starting an unproven rook over him. - not even gonna argueSixers - No way he starts over Turner, they have too much invested in him. - turner has been in constant trade rumors. imo opinon he blows but maybe that's just me. Dallas - Like you said, depends if they resign Mayo.
Utah - Again, like you said, they'd have to move Haywood to the 3 and Williams to the bench. Don't see them doing that, so no, he wouldn't start here imo. - who is Williams... marvin Williams? lol I really doubt they care about him. and Hayward could easily play the 3 hes done it before

[nickforthreee]

That's your opinion and calling anyone with a different opinion crazy isn't called for.

everyone has their right to their own opinion, but the list I just gave you I cant see anyone who regularly watches basketball and is informed about the game choosing wes Matthews over more than 2 of those guys. im sorry but just because he is on your team doesn't mean you have to overrate him.

[DaVoiceMaster]

As much as you say Blazer fans are overrating Matthews, you're just as guilty of underrating him.

There's more to basketball than just offense. Matthews does many things good. I don't think he's a great player by any stretch, but he's a good player. He plays good defense. He plays good offense (can stretch the defense, can post up, can cut & slash, etc). He complements Lillard and Batum rather well and he helps take pressuer off Lillard by guarding some of the better PG's when necessary. He is signed to a decent contract. All of that makes Matthews a good player. That's not to say KCP can't come in and take his spot, but at this point... Matthews is the starter. Frankly, I wouldn't bother with KCP due to so many other holes on the team. SG is the Blazers deepest position. Nearly every other position needs to find a backup.

And I'm not sure who you're accusing of overating Leonard and Barton? I don't think anyone here thinks a whole lot of either player. Both are raw, both have potential, but I sure don't recall anyone saying either is gonna be all that and a bag of chips and I've been around this board since 2001. It has been said on this board numerous times that Leonard may take a few years before he is able to contribute much, which is why there is so much talk about finding a defensive center this summer. I like Barton's game, but he's wildly out of control a lot of the time. Perhaps with more experience and playing time, he can settle into his game, which could be quite nice.

[nickforthreee]

As much as you say Blazer fans are overrating Matthews, you're just as guilty of underrating him.

There's more to basketball than just offense. Matthews does many things good. I don't think he's a great player by any stretch, but he's a good player. He plays good defense. He plays good offense (can stretch the defense, can post up, can cut & slash, etc). He complements Lillard and Batum rather well and he helps take pressuer off Lillard by guarding some of the better PG's when necessary. He is signed to a decent contract. All of that makes Matthews a good player. That's not to say KCP can't come in and take his spot, but at this point... Matthews is the starter. Frankly, I wouldn't bother with KCP due to so many other holes on the team. SG is the Blazers deepest position. Nearly every other position needs to find a backup.

And I'm not sure who you're accusing of overating Leonard and Barton? I don't think anyone here thinks a whole lot of either player. Both are raw, both have potential, but I sure don't recall anyone saying either is gonna be all that and a bag of chips and I've been around this board since 2001. It has been said on this board numerous times that Leonard may take a few years before he is able to contribute much, which is why there is so much talk about finding a defensive center this summer. I like Barton's game, but he's wildly out of control a lot of the time. Perhaps with more experience and playing time, he can settle into his game, which could be quite nice.

I don't feel like im underrating Matthews. I said hes a good player. he does his job and does it well. but he is a roleplayer. kcp has the chance to be more than that. and just the other day I read someone on here saying "we shouldn't draft a sg, we have barton waiting in the wings" if Portland doesn't draft a sg because they have will barton, then the franchise is in trouble. lol

[Brandon-Clyde]

try and name 10 NBA SG's that are definitely better

kobe likely to miss next season
wade
harden
Gordon bad knees make him unreliable, poor defender
ellis selfish player, poor defender
mayo poor defender, inconsistent shooter
ray I assume you mean Ray Allen who has declined as a shooter and defenderThompson
ginobili
beal
jr smith poor defender, streak shooter, makes a lot of bad decisions
jamal Crawford terrible defender
danny green
paul George
tony allen Matthews is a better offensive player
joe Johnson
demar derozan terrible outside shooter, not as good a defender as Matthews
vince carter has severely declined
avery Bradley bad shooter(40%fg) ,career ppg 1/2 of Matthews

edit: iman shumpert 40%fg% and 1/2 the ppg say noGordon Hayward
tobias harris not a sg
jimmy butler not as of yet, not according to the stats
jj redick
kevin martin
gallinari not a sg

that took me about 30 seconds and im probably forgetting a lot more.... wes Matthews is a good player, I like the guy. but he is nothing special. take off your homer glasses for 10 seconds. it would be the smart move to start a young player with potential then a guy who is likely a career role player. it doesn't even matter because kcp is going to the wolves anyway

Really it looks like all you did was list every sg you could think of and say he was better than Matthews without putting any thought into it

[nickforthreee]

try and name 10 NBA SG's that are definitely better

kobe likely to miss next season
wade
harden
Gordon bad knees make him unreliable, poor defender
ellis selfish player, poor defender
mayo poor defender, inconsistent shooter
ray I assume you mean Ray Allen who has declined as a shooter and defenderThompson
ginobili
beal
jr smith poor defender, streak shooter, makes a lot of bad decisions
jamal Crawford terrible defender
danny green
paul George
tony allen Matthews is a better offensive player
joe Johnson
demar derozan terrible outside shooter, not as good a defender as Matthews
vince carter has severely declined
avery Bradley bad shooter(40%fg) ,career ppg 1/2 of Matthews

edit: iman shumpert 40%fg% and 1/2 the ppg say noGordon Hayward
tobias harris not a sg
jimmy butler not as of yet, not according to the stats
jj redick
kevin martin
gallinari not a sg

that took me about 30 seconds and im probably forgetting a lot more.... wes Matthews is a good player, I like the guy. but he is nothing special. take off your homer glasses for 10 seconds. it would be the smart move to start a young player with potential then a guy who is likely a career role player. it doesn't even matter because kcp is going to the wolves anyway

Really it looks like all you did was list every sg you could think of and say he was better than Matthews without putting any thought into it

lol. im done arguing. at full health all of those players are better than wes Matthews. have a good day.

[Brandon-Clyde]

lol. im done arguing. at full health all of those players are better than wes Matthews. have a good day.

Ah the Eric Cartman method of debate
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