2013 Free Agent Thread

[jcsunsfan]

Random stupid unrealistic idea:

1) Gortat and Butler for Perkins, Lamb, PJIII, Thabust
2) Followup: Brown and Gerald Green for OKC's 7 mill TPE + a 2nd round pick

We get prospects(Lamb/PJIII) for Gortat, and we shave off a year of Green's salary while getting a nice TPE to boot.
OKC upgrades in a huge, huge way.

Final depth charts

OKC

Westbrook/Jackson/Fisher
Sefolosha/Brown/Liggins
KD/Butler/Green/Roberson
Ibaka/Collison/Jarrett
Gortat/Orton/Adams

PHX
Dragic/Marshall
Bledsoe/Lamb/Goodwin
Tucker/PJIII/Beasley
Markieff/Marcus/SL Signee
Perkins/Len/Thabeet

Do not want Perkins--at all.

[urgal]

Random stupid unrealistic idea:

1) Gortat and Butler for Perkins, Lamb, PJIII, Thabust

No way in the world this trade is going to happen. OKC needs Lamb as a Kevin Martin replacement and scoring punch of the bench, Thabeet is a bust and I'm not quite sold on Jones, too. Perkins also ruins the deal.

But if we can get a 1st rounder for a veteran PF like Scola, imagine what we could get for a starting calibre C like Gortat on a cheap contract. I think if Gortat is being dealt, McDonough is going to net us something good in return.

[ATTL]

Teams with appropriate assets that desire a center are starting to dry up. I have faith Ryan will find a good deal for him.

[bwgood77]

Teams with appropriate assets that desire a center are starting to dry up. I have faith Ryan will find a good deal for him.

If Cleveland gets desperate and Bynum hasn't played mid season we could offer something like this if they'd give us a first round pick back.....we could just decline Bynum's 2nd year since it's a team option. Basically we would just be getting a pick out of two guys that will expire and likely be gone anyway. Not sure if they'd give up a pick for half a year of those guys though. http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6326123

[Revived]

Teams with appropriate assets that desire a center are starting to dry up. I have faith Ryan will find a good deal for him.

Just wait. Teams are gonna start losing Cs to injury and teams are gonna start realizing that their current C sucks and that they need an upgrade.

[kburry151]

Hey everyone, first time poster here. Been reading for years now and decided to make some input here and there, but mostly still just reading.

Any interest in Xavier Henry or Devin Ebanks? I know we are going young and athletic, they are 22 and 23 respectively. Haven't shown much in the league yet, but if given some regular minutes, maybe they show some potential. Still a pretty big mess at the 1 and 2 spots, but if we somehow unload Brown and Butler, we could open up some PT for these guys.

Don't bash me too hard, just throwing some ideas out there, haven't heard anyone mention these guys.

[WiscoKing13]

Hey guys bucks fan here, just wanted to start by saying congrats on winning the 3 way trade

Whats your thoughts on a deal like
Caron
for
Udoh

you guys shed 4 mil in salary and get a young big who's also an expiring

[sunskerr]

Hey bucks fan, just wanted to start by saying congrats on winning the 3 way trade

What would your thoughts on a deal like
Caron
for
Udoh

you guys shed 4 mil in salary and get a young big who's also an expiring

Sure

[DRK]

Hey everyone, first time poster here. Been reading for years now and decided to make some input here and there, but mostly still just reading.

Any interest in Xavier Henry or Devin Ebanks? I know we are going young and athletic, they are 22 and 23 respectively. Haven't shown much in the league yet, but if given some regular minutes, maybe they show some potential. Still a pretty big mess at the 1 and 2 spots, but if we somehow unload Brown and Butler, we could open up some PT for these guys.

Don't bash me too hard, just throwing some ideas out there, haven't heard anyone mention these guys.

Hey man. Welcome to the board! Always great to have new guys around.

I always have some sort of interest in young prospects who havent been given an opportunity, especially Henry, who is a Lottery Pick. No objections from me if we were to get them for cheap without giving up an asset.

IMHO McD's worst move was not waiving Brown, an thus wasting a roster spot. However , one thing Ive learnt with McD is that he can pull something magically out of a hat. There must be a trade lined up for Brown somewhere.

[NaturalBuns]

Hey guys bucks fan here, just wanted to start by saying congrats on winning the 3 way trade

Whats your thoughts on a deal like
Caron
for
Udoh

you guys shed 4 mil in salary and get a young big who's also an expiring

That isn't a bad trade but we already have way to many PFs or Tweeners.
Morris
Morris
Frye
M beas
Plumplee (should be backup C once gortat is gone)

I think we hold onto Butler till deadline and maybe dish him out for a 2nd to a contender or just let him play in phx for 1 year.

[RaisingArizona]

Hey everyone, first time poster here. Been reading for years now and decided to make some input here and there, but mostly still just reading.

Any interest in Xavier Henry or Devin Ebanks? I know we are going young and athletic, they are 22 and 23 respectively. Haven't shown much in the league yet, but if given some regular minutes, maybe they show some potential. Still a pretty big mess at the 1 and 2 spots, but if we somehow unload Brown and Butler, we could open up some PT for these guys.

Don't bash me too hard, just throwing some ideas out there, haven't heard anyone mention these guys.

Hey man. Welcome to the board! Always great to have new guys around.

I always have some sort of interest in young prospects who havent been given an opportunity, especially Henry, who is a Lottery Pick. No objections from me if we were to get them for cheap without giving up an asset.

IMHO McD's worst move was not waiving Brown, an thus wasting a roster spot. However , one thing Ive learnt with McD is that he can pull something magically out of a hat. There must be a trade lined up for Brown somewhere.

I was just thinking that maybe he knows a potential suitor for Brown or knows there might be a few near the deadline.

[Frank Lee]

No need to nitpick about Brown. It is a minor decision. It does show some good faith in keeping him. You have to admit, he has maintained a professional demeanor during the string of DNPs he racked up last yr. IMO, he plays 15-20 mins a game to start with, and we hope his success entices another team. As mentioned, he is a harmless add on in any deal needing extra sal to work.

As far as this yr goes, I doubt we see any FA's added on except those who summer leagued for us. We are running one over the max roster limit anyways.

Welcome to the ol gum tree kburry

[DRK]

No need to nitpick about Brown. It is a minor decision. It does show some good faith in keeping him. You have to admit, he has maintained a professional demeanor during the string of DNPs he racked up last yr. IMO, he plays 15-20 mins a game to start with, and we hope his success entices another team. As mentioned, he is a harmless add on in any deal needing extra sal to work.

As far as this yr goes, I doubt we see any FA's added on except those who summer leagued for us. We are running one over the max roster limit anyways.

Welcome to the ol gum tree kburry

We'll see how "minor" this decision is.

If he doesnt get much court time, then it's great. However if he's getting minutes over players like Goodwin, then I'll be concerned.

As I stated earlier, I do believe his expiring will be somewhat useful in a trade to help make salaries match.

[kburry151]

Exactly my thinking, yes Brown fits our athletic run and gun style, but there's no reason for him to be on this roster next year with our rebuild. There has to be something lined up to get some minutes for these younger guys. I definitely think Henry should be someone we are interested in, still has the talent and when given minutes could flourish in our run n' gun style. Also liked Christmas out of college so maybe they just keep him from summer squad and see what he can do, performed well in summer league.

[Barkley6]

No need to nitpick about Brown. It is a minor decision. It does show some good faith in keeping him. You have to admit, he has maintained a professional demeanor during the string of DNPs he racked up last yr. IMO, he plays 15-20 mins a game to start with, and we hope his success entices another team. As mentioned, he is a harmless add on in any deal needing extra sal to work.

As far as this yr goes, I doubt we see any FA's added on except those who summer leagued for us. We are running one over the max roster limit anyways.

Welcome to the ol gum tree kburry

We'll see how "minor" this decision is.

If he doesnt get much court time, then it's great. However if he's getting minutes over players like Goodwin, then I'll be concerned.

As I stated earlier, I do believe his expiring will be somewhat useful in a trade to help make salaries match.

I'm thinking that if the Suns decide to target a player in a Gortat deal as opposed to a draft pick or young talent, Shannon Brown'ssalary might be useful. It also eases some pressure on Goodwin to have an established guard on the roster. Goodwin won't be as pressured to perform in that sense and we can slow cook him until he's ready, giving him targeted minutes where he can excel rather than throwing him to the wolves. It's a similar approach in keeping Gortat on the roster for now to help Len come along in his own time. It shows the rookies that playing time has to be earned and it isn't a guarantee based in draft status or one good game. The competition should be healthy for our young roster.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Question, doesn't Butler have a reacquiring restriction on his contract that prevents him from being traded until June 30th 2014, aka when he's a free agent?

[Kerrsed]

Question, doesn't Butler have a reacquiring restriction on his contract that prevents him from being traded until June 30th 2014, aka when he's a free agent?

A "Reacquiring Restriction" would only be in play if we were trading him to the Clippers. Hence the word "Reacquire".

[Gorilla Warfare]

Question, doesn't Butler have a reacquiring restriction on his contract that prevents him from being traded until June 30th 2014, aka when he's a free agent?

A "Reacquiring Restriction" would only be in play if we were trading him to the Clippers. Hence the word "Reacquire".

It's too early for common sense, Kerrsed. I'm hung over I'm sorry.

[Fo-Real]

Ok.... just thinking out loud (concepts, not sure I would even do it so be gentle). Based on the idea that we wouldn't even spent money on free-agents next summer but would wait until the summer of 2015 anyway, so having money tied up till then with a huge expiring would then come in really handy..... and while helping a team salary dump to continue to buy their assets this year and next to keep their star happy (Melo....Yeah im about to go there) while continuing to grab assets who would thrive in our system and maybe even another pick come our way...... HERE IT GOES.....Ill say a prayer for god to protect me.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lnmmf3u

A straight salary dump for Ny, and for us we are probably the only team (med staff) who could possibly get a decent play out of Amare's body for a few months a season. He is still better than Morris and we wouldn't even have to give up Gortat . I can get behind a starting line-up of Bledso/ Dragic/ Shumpert/ Amare/ Gortat with a bench of Goodwin/ Gerald Green-Tucker/ Morris/ Morris/ Len. Getting rid of people we don't want to see play another game in a Phoenix uni anyway in Beasly, Brown, and Marshall, and Butler can go compete. The other 4 Starters can more than cover Amare's defensive shortcoming. Just a random thought, flame away, but I would watch that team.

[phrazbit]

Unless they are throwing in a multiple picks (and I actually dont think they have picks to dump anymore) then no way. Amare's bloated salary takes away virtually all our trade flexibility for the next two years.

And our own medical staff already nixed Amare once, it was them who strongly cautioned against signing Amare for more than a few seasons, and he has turned out even worse than their projections.

I just dont see an upside. If by some miracle they keep Amare somewhat healthy (and keep in mind a healthy Amare is no longer a 20-9 player, more like 16-5), it makes us better but still bad. If Amare stays a banged up mess we have flushed 45 million and all our cap and trade flexibility down the tubes for the hope Shumpert can evolve.