ATL- The Stretch Run (Final 2 games/Warriors Record!)

[Ron Swanson]

I think Mudiay has legit star potential, and Gary Harris, Will Barton, and Kenneth Faried are solid starters/really good role-players. I think Gallenari is a really solid Gordon Hayward type player.

But yeah, their top-tier talent can't compare with Minnesota's. Jokic was an absolute steal, but he's kinda getting overrated by the analytics crowd. I wouldn't sell the Nuggets short though. I put them right with Boston, Orlando, and Utah. Solid, young rebuilding teams that just need that one star player to emerge or acquire to make them contenders in the future.

[Badgerlander]

I guess we've got a difference of opinion with regards to their high level talent.

http://bkref.com/tiny/UoGH4

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/02/23/emmanuel-mudiay-denver-nuggets-gary-harris-nikola-jokic/

How is Jokic comparing favorably to Cousins doing anything but helping my point?

Cousins production with less fouls and turnovers and better defense? Harris and Mudiay defense, Barton in the conversation for 6th man, and 3 first round picks for a GM that grabbed Jokic with the 41st pick and turned McBuckets into Harris+Nurkic? pretty solid future to me

[ReasonablySober]

I think Mudiay has legit star potential, and Gary Harris, Will Barton, and Kenneth Faried are solid starters/really good role-players. I think Gallenari is a really solid Gordon Hayward type player.

But yeah, their top-tier talent can't compare with Minnesota's. Jokic was an absolute steal, but he's kinda getting overrated by the analytics crowd. I wouldn't sell the Nuggets short though. I put them right with Boston, Orlando, and Utah. Solid, young rebuilding teams that just need that one star player to emerge or acquire to make them contenders in the future.

I agree with that. Solid futures in need of serious star quality talent. But finding those stars is the hard part.

[BobbyLight]

So now we get to see if Thibs is a terrible person to work with (according to Bulls management) or if he was just under terrible management. Probably a combo of the two.

I feel like Thibs has a Skiles like influence with a longer shelf life and probably just a better basketball mind. He's going to make an immediate impact. I see the Wolves in the playoffs next year. The other difference is that hard-ass routine didn't seem to rub any of the Bulls players the wrong way as I don't remember any group of players being openly vocal about being glad he was gone.

This will be interesting, if his negatives have been overblown, that's a great win for the Wolves. He's clearly a great coach, he just might have some rough edges to polish.

[trwi7]

This is so dumb. Harley isn't going to pay for a sponsorship and not have their name anywhere on the jersey. No company is. It's not like people are going to go, hey, that's the H-D shield. Better go get myself a new Hog.

You're right.



This is the jersey for Manchester United. Adidas ($1.3 billion over 10 years) and Chevrolet ($560 million over 7 years) combine to pay Manchester United $210 million per year to have their logos on the team's jerseys.

The Bucks won't make close to that money but with money like that being thrown around, it would be stupid not to put logos on jerseys.

You do realize I said they aren't going to put their logo on without their name too, right? Chevrolet has their logo and their name on the jersey. So does Adidas. That mock up had the Milwaukee Bucks and a number in the H-D shield. Nobody is going to sponsor a jersey if they can't have their logo and the name of their company on it. Not just their logo.

[Badgerlander]

How about Mudiay compared to Westbrook a year younger http://bkref.com/tiny/pAcPu

[breakchains]

Wolves will become really good really fast. It's not often an elite basketball coach/mind come available.

[breakchains]

How about Mudiay compared to Westbrook a year younger http://bkref.com/tiny/pAcPu

Yeah, no. He isn't half the athlete RWB is. Maybe you could say he's a poor man's Westbrook.

[Badgerlander]

So now we get to see if Thibs is a terrible person to work with (according to Bulls management) or if he was just under terrible management. Probably a combo of the two.

I feel like Thibs has a Skiles like influence with a longer shelf life and probably just a better basketball mind. He's going to make an immediate impact. I see the Wolves in the playoffs next year. The other difference is that hard-ass routine didn't seem to rub any of the Bulls players the wrong way as I don't remember any group of players being openly vocal about being glad he was gone.

This will be interesting, if his negatives have been overblown, that's a great win for the Wolves. He's clearly a great coach, he just might have some rough edges to polish.

Thibs has been spending a lot of time with different teams coaching staffs at their training camps and practices the past year, so you would hope some of their level of routine rubs off on him. I just hope he doesn't break the TWolves players because I really like KAT, Wiggins, and Rubio. If he can make Baz a decent defender they'll be pretty tough. It'll be really interesting to see who they draft now. I thought that they might go Ellenson but now I have no idea

[Prez]

So now we get to see if Thibs is a terrible person to work with (according to Bulls management) or if he was just under terrible management. Probably a combo of the two.

I feel like Thibs has a Skiles like influence with a longer shelf life and probably just a better basketball mind. He's going to make an immediate impact. I see the Wolves in the playoffs next year. The other difference is that hard-ass routine didn't seem to rub any of the Bulls players the wrong way as I don't remember any group of players being openly vocal about being glad he was gone.

This will be interesting, if his negatives have been overblown, that's a great win for the Wolves. He's clearly a great coach, he just might have some rough edges to polish.

I think the running players into the ground criticism is reasonable, but I'm pretty sure 95% of the "hard to work with" stuff is from the shady ass Bulls FO and their smear campaign of him to support them hiring their guy in Hoiberg. Vast majority of people outside of the Bulls front office who worked with Thibs liked him. Remember reading multiple reports that almost everyone in the Bulls organization hated Gar Forman (except the top guys who he could suck up to), apparently he's a massive dick and didn't like Thibs from day 1 because he wasn't his guy.

Thibs needed to chill a bit with the drill sergeant stuff, but on the whole he's an awesome coach and has on several occasions said he's reflected a lot on his weaknesses as a coach in his time away. He gets it. Minnesota is going to be really, really f'in scary very soon. That team's ceiling just went from really high to just about limitless.

[ReasonablySober]

Westbrook is the best athlete at PG the league has ever seen. Mudiay isn't remotely close.

[paulpressey25]

Amen that the Wolves are in the West.

Thibs will shape that crew up bigtime. Still some peripheral moves that will be absolutely critical, but he's got a lot to work with.

[Badgerlander]

Westbrook is the best athlete at PG the league has ever seen. Mudiay isn't remotely close.

No and I didn't say that they were, merely comparing production and shooting % etc

[trwi7]

Westbrook is the best athlete at PG the league has ever seen. Mudiay isn't remotely close.

No and I didn't say that they were, merely comparing production and shooting % etc

Shooting efficiency still heavily favors Westbrook though.

[ReasonablySober]

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[Badgerlander]

Westbrook is the best athlete at PG the league has ever seen. Mudiay isn't remotely close.

No and I didn't say that they were, merely comparing production and shooting % etc

Shooting efficiency still heavily favors Westbrook though.

Yeah but Mudiay is a year younger and is shooting almost twice as many 3s at a better% so Mudiay's eFG% is .404 compared to .414 for Westbrook. Westbrook also shot .548 ft% his first year in college.

[freewhitemoon]

So now we get to see if Thibs is a terrible person to work with (according to Bulls management) or if he was just under terrible management. Probably a combo of the two.

I feel like Thibs has a Skiles like influence with a longer shelf life and probably just a better basketball mind. He's going to make an immediate impact. I see the Wolves in the playoffs next year. The other difference is that hard-ass routine didn't seem to rub any of the Bulls players the wrong way as I don't remember any group of players being openly vocal about being glad he was gone.

This will be interesting, if his negatives have been overblown, that's a great win for the Wolves. He's clearly a great coach, he just might have some rough edges to polish.

Thibs has been spending a lot of time with different teams coaching staffs at their training camps and practices the past year, so you would hope some of their level of routine rubs off on him. I just hope he doesn't break the TWolves players because I really like KAT, Wiggins, and Rubio. If he can make Baz a decent defender they'll be pretty tough. It'll be really interesting to see who they draft now. I thought that they might go Ellenson but now I have no idea

marquese chriss would be a reach for them with their likely top 5 pick but holy cow imagine lavine-wiggins-chriss-towns in transition. they'll likely pick murray or hield in the draft though

[LuessiT]

So now we get to see if Thibs is a terrible person to work with (according to Bulls management) or if he was just under terrible management. Probably a combo of the two.

I feel like Thibs has a Skiles like influence with a longer shelf life and probably just a better basketball mind. He's going to make an immediate impact. I see the Wolves in the playoffs next year. The other difference is that hard-ass routine didn't seem to rub any of the Bulls players the wrong way as I don't remember any group of players being openly vocal about being glad he was gone.

This will be interesting, if his negatives have been overblown, that's a great win for the Wolves. He's clearly a great coach, he just might have some rough edges to polish.

Thibs has been spending a lot of time with different teams coaching staffs at their training camps and practices the past year, so you would hope some of their level of routine rubs off on him. I just hope he doesn't break the TWolves players because I really like KAT, Wiggins, and Rubio. If he can make Baz a decent defender they'll be pretty tough. It'll be really interesting to see who they draft now. I thought that they might go Ellenson but now I have no idea

Knowing their luck they're probably gonna get top 3. Bender/Ingram sure would fit nicely.

[FlagsFlyForever]

This is so dumb. Harley isn't going to pay for a sponsorship and not have their name anywhere on the jersey. No company is. It's not like people are going to go, hey, that's the H-D shield. Better go get myself a new Hog.

You're right.



This is the jersey for Manchester United. Adidas ($1.3 billion over 10 years) and Chevrolet ($560 million over 7 years) combine to pay Manchester United $210 million per year to have their logos on the team's jerseys.

The Bucks won't make close to that money but with money like that being thrown around, it would be stupid not to put logos on jerseys.

You do realize I said they aren't going to put their logo on without their name too, right? Chevrolet has their logo and their name on the jersey. So does Adidas. That mock up had the Milwaukee Bucks and a number in the H-D shield. Nobody is going to sponsor a jersey if they can't have their logo and the name of their company on it. Not just their logo.

I agree with everything you said and that's why I started my post by saying "you're right". I was using the Man U jersey to provide an example to support you.

[trwi7]

You're right.



This is the jersey for Manchester United. Adidas ($1.3 billion over 10 years) and Chevrolet ($560 million over 7 years) combine to pay Manchester United $210 million per year to have their logos on the team's jerseys.

The Bucks won't make close to that money but with money like that being thrown around, it would be stupid not to put logos on jerseys.

You do realize I said they aren't going to put their logo on without their name too, right? Chevrolet has their logo and their name on the jersey. So does Adidas. That mock up had the Milwaukee Bucks and a number in the H-D shield. Nobody is going to sponsor a jersey if they can't have their logo and the name of their company on it. Not just their logo.

I agree with everything you said and that's why I started my post by saying "you're right". I was using the Man U jersey to provide an example to support you.

Ah, totally missed the you're right part.