Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Sportfan73]

You might be right.

And if that's the case, they are better served letting Ben sit out until his temper tantrum is over. 1 day, 1 month, 4 months, 4 years; whatever.

They won't be winning anything anyway.

If we sat him months and months no player would ever want to come here again

LOL no. As long as the price is right it won't matter. Nobody cares about or respects the coward enough to influence their decisions.

“Price is right” doesn’t apply to max players that the price is the same everywhere. We’re already usually not that high on people’s list and letting someone sit out an entire season without moving them while they are 25 and in their prime wouldn’t be a good look to other players IMO. But then again we will probably never be a players number one destination or be at the top of a trade demand list anyway so whatever I guess?

[LeonJordanJr24]

Brandon Ingram pleaseeee

[Negrodamus]

I'm actually a bit floored that some thing Murray is too little for Ben. What he brings to the table is lightyears more important than Ben. He can win a series by himself. I mean, he basically did against Utah two years ago when he had two 50 point games to combat Donovan Mitchell's insane series.

[eyeatoma]

I'm actually a bit floored that some thing Murray is too little for Ben. What he brings to the table is lightyears more important than Ben. He can win a series by himself. I mean, he basically did against Utah two years ago when he had two 50 point games to combat Donovan Mitchell's insane series.

I really like Murray, just worried about his knee. ACL is nothing to scoff at. He might get reinjured like Klay. You have to mitigate risk and we already have Jo. Think it's just playing Russian roulette to have two players with injury concerns. Something might give.

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[Negrodamus]

I'm actually a bit floored that some thing Murray is too little for Ben. What he brings to the table is lightyears more important than Ben. He can win a series by himself. I mean, he basically did against Utah two years ago when he had two 50 point games to combat Donovan Mitchell's insane series.

I really like Murray, just worried about his knee. ACL is nothing to scoff at. He might get reinjured like Klay. You have to mitigate risk and we already have Jo. Think it's just playing Russian roulette to have two players with injury concerns. Something might give.

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I mean, Zach LaVine tore his and he relies on his athleticism way more than Jamal.

[eyeatoma]

I'm actually a bit floored that some thing Murray is too little for Ben. What he brings to the table is lightyears more important than Ben. He can win a series by himself. I mean, he basically did against Utah two years ago when he had two 50 point games to combat Donovan Mitchell's insane series.

I really like Murray, just worried about his knee. ACL is nothing to scoff at. He might get reinjured like Klay. You have to mitigate risk and we already have Jo. Think it's just playing Russian roulette to have two players with injury concerns. Something might give.

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I mean, Zach LaVine tore his and he relies on his athleticism way more than Jamal.

Yup, and Chicago got him for pennies and not a multiple allstar. Lavine is probably also the biggest success story from an ACL injury there is. The fact of the matter is, he is not going to play this year. That already makes this year a loss. Which I am not ready to give up on. It also raises the likelihood that Jo starts to get antsy. Then next year, we have to play the, oh will he play at the start of the season or not game. And we all know how amazing our medical staff is. If there is any team that can **** up an ACL rehab, it's us. I just don't trust our medical staff, or our luck with major injuries for Murray to have the best chance of playing to his full potential on this team. Then let's say if he does play, then we're dealing with load management, and most likely a year where he underperforms. Don't forget, that Murray has never been the most consistent player in the regular season. It was during the bubble, and last year'
playoffs that he started playing better, but his regular season numbers aren't even all-star level. He showed flashes in the playoffs and during the bubble witha historic run. Everyone expected him to build on it the following year, and it took him a long time to get going. So, this is a slow starter already, and now he has to overcome mental hurdles with a torn ACL, and the added risk of reinjury?

I just don't think we need that headache.

[Negrodamus]

I really like Murray, just worried about his knee. ACL is nothing to scoff at. He might get reinjured like Klay. You have to mitigate risk and we already have Jo. Think it's just playing Russian roulette to have two players with injury concerns. Something might give.

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I mean, Zach LaVine tore his and he relies on his athleticism way more than Jamal.

Yup, and Chicago got him for pennies and not a multiple allstar. Lavine is probably also the biggest success story from an ACL injury there is. The fact of the matter is, he is not going to play this year. That already makes this year a loss. Which I am not ready to give up on. It also raises the likelihood that Jo starts to get antsy. Then next year, we have to play the, oh will he play at the start of the season or not game. And we all know how amazing our medical staff is. If there is any team that can **** up an ACL rehab, it's us. I just don't trust our medical staff, or our luck with major injuries for Murray to have the best chance of playing to his full potential on this team. Then let's say if he does play, then we're dealing with load management, and most likely a year where he underperforms. Don't forget, that Murray has never been the most consistent player in the regular season. It was during the bubble, and last year'
playoffs that he started playing better, but his regular season numbers aren't even all-star level. He showed flashes in the playoffs and during the bubble witha historic run. Everyone expected him to build on it the following year, and it took him a long time to get going. So, this is a slow starter already, and now he has to overcome mental hurdles with a torn ACL, and the added risk of reinjury?

I just don't think we need that headache.

Wasn't Jimmy Butler a multi-year allstar?

[eyeatoma]

I mean, Zach LaVine tore his and he relies on his athleticism way more than Jamal.

Yup, and Chicago got him for pennies and not a multiple allstar. Lavine is probably also the biggest success story from an ACL injury there is. The fact of the matter is, he is not going to play this year. That already makes this year a loss. Which I am not ready to give up on. It also raises the likelihood that Jo starts to get antsy. Then next year, we have to play the, oh will he play at the start of the season or not game. And we all know how amazing our medical staff is. If there is any team that can **** up an ACL rehab, it's us. I just don't trust our medical staff, or our luck with major injuries for Murray to have the best chance of playing to his full potential on this team. Then let's say if he does play, then we're dealing with load management, and most likely a year where he underperforms. Don't forget, that Murray has never been the most consistent player in the regular season. It was during the bubble, and last year'
playoffs that he started playing better, but his regular season numbers aren't even all-star level. He showed flashes in the playoffs and during the bubble witha historic run. Everyone expected him to build on it the following year, and it took him a long time to get going. So, this is a slow starter already, and now he has to overcome mental hurdles with a torn ACL, and the added risk of reinjury?

I just don't think we need that headache.

Wasn't Jimmy Butler a multi-year allstar?

Forgot about that. If you're focusing on that, you're missing the point. My point still stands. Too risky with our medical staff, ACL recovery timeline and Jo's window.

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[Kobblehead]

I would do the Jamal Murray deal in a heartbeat.

Think about all the depth we would establish by playing all of our young guys heavy minutes until January or so when Murray gets back.

[downtownpie]

I think you can.

Im not saying in terms of “1% is a chance” but im saying you have a good chance relative to the chance among contenders.

You just need more luck. And you just keep upgrading the collective scorers you surround him with every time you fall short.

You look at the top guards that plays with the top bigs, like Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray. At some point they were just as good as guys like Maxey or Sexton. I do think these type of guys are abundant that you dont need a miracle to get them.

No disrespect to Middleton and Jrue. But those two guys arent also top tier talent in the league that played with Giannis.

So you think Maxey is as good as a rookie Donovan Mitchell?

We’ll know next season.

At age 20, Maxey was a promising roomie averaging almost 19pts per 36 and played a big role for a playoff team while Mitchell was still in college.

Im just saying that Maxey to be as good as Mitchell or Muray is not out of the question.

The comparison is different say comparing Maxey to Harden, Steph or other top tier talents

Thats not what you said.

[downtownpie]

I'm actually a bit floored that some thing Murray is too little for Ben. What he brings to the table is lightyears more important than Ben. He can win a series by himself. I mean, he basically did against Utah two years ago when he had two 50 point games to combat Donovan Mitchell's insane series.

Murray for Simmons is a win for the sixers.

[Arsenal]

If we sat him months and months no player would ever want to come here again

LOL no. As long as the price is right it won't matter. Nobody cares about or respects the coward enough to influence their decisions.

“Price is right” doesn’t apply to max players that the price is the same everywhere. We’re already usually not that high on people’s list and letting someone sit out an entire season without moving them while they are 25 and in their prime wouldn’t be a good look to other players IMO. But then again we will probably never be a players number one destination or be at the top of a trade demand list anyway so whatever I guess?

There are hundreds of reasons a player will consider signing here before "they sat the coward". Come on man.

[Sportfan73]

LOL no. As long as the price is right it won't matter. Nobody cares about or respects the coward enough to influence their decisions.

“Price is right” doesn’t apply to max players that the price is the same everywhere. We’re already usually not that high on people’s list and letting someone sit out an entire season without moving them while they are 25 and in their prime wouldn’t be a good look to other players IMO. But then again we will probably never be a players number one destination or be at the top of a trade demand list anyway so whatever I guess?

There are hundreds of reasons a player will consider signing here before "they sat the coward". Come on man.

It’s not about Ben, it’s about Klutch and the handling of stars

[Skates]

If the Nuggets are willing to trade us Murray for Simmons I would be very wary that the knee injury is not healing well or was worse than expected. I don't see any way he is on the market if healing well.

[eyeatoma]

If the Nuggets are willing to trade us Murray for Simmons I would be very wary that the knee injury is not healing well or was worse than expected. I don't see any way he is on the market if healing well.

Yup, this as well. Lol at everyone who want someone who won't be back to speed till the 23-24 season. Jo will be 29. Waste of 2 years.

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[Kobblehead]

If the Nuggets are willing to trade us Murray for Simmons I would be very wary that the knee injury is not healing well or was worse than expected. I don't see any way he is on the market if healing well.

Denver is desperate for versatile defenders with size.

Look at the trade package they just gave up for Aaron Gordon (an overrated defender who is nowhere near as good as his reputation). They gave up R.J. Hampton, Gary Harris, and a 1st round pick.

Now project that same desperation onto getting a guy who actually is an elite defender and as good as his reputation (Ben Simmons).

[Negrodamus]

If the Nuggets are willing to trade us Murray for Simmons I would be very wary that the knee injury is not healing well or was worse than expected. I don't see any way he is on the market if healing well.

Yup, this as well. Lol at everyone who want someone who won't be back to speed till the 23-24 season. Jo will be 29. Waste of 2 years.

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7-9 months is the typical rehab time (January 2022 worst case scenario). Where are you getting two years?

This season is going to be a waste anyway if we sit on Ben.

[Negrodamus]

If the Nuggets are willing to trade us Murray for Simmons I would be very wary that the knee injury is not healing well or was worse than expected. I don't see any way he is on the market if healing well.

Denver is desperate for versatile defenders with size.

Look at the trade package they just gave up for Aaron Gordon (an overrated defender who is nowhere near as good as his reputation). They gave up R.J. Hampton, Gary Harris, and a 1st round pick.

Now project that same desperation onto getting a guy who actually is an elite defender and as good as his reputation (Ben Simmons).

If we could do it straight up, that would be an absolute steal for us.

[Kobblehead]

If we could do it straight up, that would be an absolute steal for us.

Especially considering we would have to move Simmons plus picks to land Bradley Beal. Jamal Murray is basically a younger, bigger, possibly more talented version of Bradley Beal and you may be able to get him for a simple swap. A discounted rate due to his injury. Could be a huge payoff for the Sixers.

[eyeatoma]

If the Nuggets are willing to trade us Murray for Simmons I would be very wary that the knee injury is not healing well or was worse than expected. I don't see any way he is on the market if healing well.

Yup, this as well. Lol at everyone who want someone who won't be back to speed till the 23-24 season. Jo will be 29. Waste of 2 years.

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7-9 months is the typical rehab time (January 2022 worst case scenario). Where are you getting two years?

This season is going to be a waste anyway if we sit on Ben.

Yup, and the first year back from an ACL is always a wash. Typically if everything is okay, and the player has no mental hurdles, they show their true self in March/April of the year they return. Then the following season is when they are back to full speed.

Hence the 2 years.