[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[Knicksin2011]

Well, if you put it into a take it or leave it when actually your GM can do the deal with ease, he would resign with Denver. Absolutely. I am a 100% on this. These things are also about recruiting. It is not a great recruiting move if you tell him he has to leave 20 million on the table because we can't give away Fields. Why should he sign with a club that would rather keep some role players rather than going all out for him?

This is when you bring Amare and Carmelo in for a sit down with Donnie Walsh and ask Carmelo what he wants. We can do the sign and trade with Fields and/or Mosgov or whomever Denver wants to get you that 6th year, however, the team will lose a potential competitive edge when playing other teams such as the Heat. Carmelo gets to choose, Amare provides some peer pressure to win, and Carmelo decides what is really important to him. In that situation, and with the talk of championships/extra endorsements in NY/legendary status in NY, Carmelo agrees to sign without the S&T if necessary and determines the maxium NY should offer in a sign and trade in order to hopefully get him that 6th year. Draft picks? Only Melo can make that determination.

[seren]

Say no NOW? You probably wouldn't. But that's because there's actually a benefit to getting Melo now (at least on paper) considering the Knicks would like to win sooner and get the Melo-Stoudemire era underway faster. But the longer you wait the less useful it is and when you get to the point where there really is no official tie between Melo and Denver (which is what happens if he's forced to opt out of his contract...assuming he goes ahead with it of course) beyond that extra year. Can they? Sure? But there's no guarantee that will happen...which...again...is the reason why holding out until the summer is absolutely a gigantic risk. The longer this delays and the closer the knicks get to not needing Denver to agree to moving Melo to NY, the less reason they have of giving up assets. Would/could they? Sure. But the risk of getting nothing increases.

For Denver, risk of losing vs. getting what is the question. If the offer is like Gallo/Fields/Chandler, then yes absolutely waiting is a gigantic risk. If the offer is absolutely nobody but expiring contracts or RFAs (ie Chandler), then waiting is not a risk. Realize that dealing Melo now is also costly for Denver. They lose the playoff run which translates into more games and money as well.

[seren]

Well, if you put it into a take it or leave it when actually your GM can do the deal with ease, he would resign with Denver. Absolutely. I am a 100% on this. These things are also about recruiting. It is not a great recruiting move if you tell him he has to leave 20 million on the table because we can't give away Fields. Why should he sign with a club that would rather keep some role players rather than going all out for him?

This is when you bring Amare and Carmelo in for a sit down with Donnie Walsh and ask Carmelo what he wants. We can do the sign and trade with Fields and/or Mosgov or whomever Denver wants to get you that 6th year, however, the team will lose a potential competitive edge when playing other teams such as the Heat. Carmelo gets to choose, Amare provides some peer pressure to win, and Carmelo decides what is really important to him. In that situation, and with the talk of championships/extra endorsements in NY/legendary status in NY, Carmelo agrees to sign without the S&T if necessary and determines the maxium NY should offer in a sign and trade in order to hopefully get him that 6th year. Draft picks? Only Melo can make that determination.

No offense to Mozgov and Fields but I really believe Melo would say he doesn't need them. He would probably say Amare and him can get it done.

[Knicksin2011]

Well, if you put it into a take it or leave it when actually your GM can do the deal with ease, he would resign with Denver. Absolutely. I am a 100% on this. These things are also about recruiting. It is not a great recruiting move if you tell him he has to leave 20 million on the table because we can't give away Fields. Why should he sign with a club that would rather keep some role players rather than going all out for him?

This is when you bring Amare and Carmelo in for a sit down with Donnie Walsh and ask Carmelo what he wants. We can do the sign and trade with Fields and/or Mosgov or whomever Denver wants to get you that 6th year, however, the team will lose a potential competitive edge when playing other teams such as the Heat. Carmelo gets to choose, Amare provides some peer pressure to win, and Carmelo decides what is really important to him. In that situation, and with the talk of championships/extra endorsements in NY/legendary status in NY, Carmelo agrees to sign without the S&T if necessary and determines the maxium NY should offer in a sign and trade in order to hopefully get him that 6th year. Draft picks? Only Melo can make that determination.

No offense to Mozgov and Fields but I really believe Melo would say he doesn't need them. He would probably say Amare and him can get it done.

That's why Amare joins the meeting to let Melo know how much better than the Heat they would be with these guys.

[K_ick_God]

Well, if you put it into a take it or leave it when actually your GM can do the deal with ease, he would resign with Denver. Absolutely. I am a 100% on this. These things are also about recruiting. It is not a great recruiting move if you tell him he has to leave 20 million on the table because we can't give away Fields. Why should he sign with a club that would rather keep some role players rather than going all out for him?

This is when you bring Amare and Carmelo in for a sit down with Donnie Walsh and ask Carmelo what he wants. We can do the sign and trade with Fields and/or Mosgov or whomever Denver wants to get you that 6th year, however, the team will lose a potential competitive edge when playing other teams such as the Heat. Carmelo gets to choose, Amare provides some peer pressure to win, and Carmelo decides what is really important to him. In that situation, and with the talk of championships/extra endorsements in NY/legendary status in NY, Carmelo agrees to sign without the S&T if necessary and determines the maxium NY should offer in a sign and trade in order to hopefully get him that 6th year. Draft picks? Only Melo can make that determination.

No offense to Mozgov and Fields but I really believe Melo would say he doesn't need them. He would probably say Amare and him can get it done.

Uh not really. Melo knows how hard it is to win a title. He just thinks that Amar'e is another star that he can grow old with. But he knows it will take a deep team. He likes Felton too for instance.

[aggo]

This is when you bring Amare and Carmelo in for a sit down with Donnie Walsh and ask Carmelo what he wants. We can do the sign and trade with Fields and/or Mosgov or whomever Denver wants to get you that 6th year, however, the team will lose a potential competitive edge when playing other teams such as the Heat. Carmelo gets to choose, Amare provides some peer pressure to win, and Carmelo decides what is really important to him. In that situation, and with the talk of championships/extra endorsements in NY/legendary status in NY, Carmelo agrees to sign without the S&T if necessary and determines the maxium NY should offer in a sign and trade in order to hopefully get him that 6th year. Draft picks? Only Melo can make that determination.

No offense to Mozgov and Fields but I really believe Melo would say he doesn't need them. He would probably say Amare and him can get it done.

Uh not really. Melo knows how hard it is to win a title. He just thinks that Amar'e is another star that he can grow old with. But he knows it will take a deep team. He likes Felton too for instance.

I agree with you. We're the most complete team with role players, stars, usable pieces for melo to play next to aside from chicago. If melo is about winning he should only come to chicago or ny. And even then chicago has held that they wont trade noah and still havent found a team with 12 million in cap to take on deng for free.

I dont buy the clippers. melo doesnt want to be the lone gun-- the guy that has to lead teh charge. been there done that. Griffin is an animal, but their record still sucks and nothing over there has a good track record for performing in the playoffs.

you know, a lot of people use this crazy/tired rhetoric that D'antoni doesnt cant win in the playoffs. I think it's **** and there have been other circumstances that have prevented his teams from getting to the title. People forget that in the 62 win season the suns got outrebounded 60/82 games. People forget that when you have a pace that D'antoni teams have, you cannot play defense for 4 quarters. The players arent blidn to this either. Look at how many times Felton and Amare talk about how important it is to play defense in the 4th. When your pace is like the Celtics, you need to play defense for 4 quarters because the margin on error with having less # of scoring opportunities is too low...

Melo isnt dumb. He's played for D'antoni in the olympics and wouldnt come here unless he thought it would work

[NoLayupRule]

I think a lot of players look at the clippers and see a potentially racist owner who is incredibly cheap and has never never never been able to keep a good player for long. They also see a franchise that will always be the poor step-brother to the Lakers and thats humiliating.

there are guys who dont care. guys who want to be in LA for other reasons - Davis - or will follow any paycheck - also Davis - but a guy like Carmelo wont make that mistake

[johnnywishbone]

Obviously, this is a rent-a-melo concept. I was wondering how feasible you guys might think it to be.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4rphc7c

Dallas out:
Beaubois
Haywood
Butler

Denver out:
Harrington
Anthony

Basically, Denver goes into super cost savings mode. They get out from Harrington's contract plus they can now move Billups and they have a cheaper version of Nene on a long term deal.

Dallas would get an opportunity to finally win the title they covet. Dallas with Melo and Harrington in a reserve role would be pretty tough.

[cgmw]

you know, a lot of people use this crazy/tired rhetoric that D'antoni doesnt cant win in the playoffs. I think it's **** and there have been other circumstances that have prevented his teams from getting to the title. People forget that in the 62 win season the suns got outrebounded 60/82 games. People forget that when you have a pace that D'antoni teams have, you cannot play defense for 4 quarters. The players arent blidn to this either. Look at how many times Felton and Amare talk about how important it is to play defense in the 4th. When your pace is like the Celtics, you need to play defense for 4 quarters because the margin on error with having less # of scoring opportunities is too low...

Melo isnt dumb. He's played for D'antoni in the olympics and wouldnt come here unless he thought it would work

Finally! Somebody around here gets it.

[Context]

Well, if you put it into a take it or leave it when actually your GM can do the deal with ease, he would resign with Denver. Absolutely. I am a 100% on this. These things are also about recruiting. It is not a great recruiting move if you tell him he has to leave 20 million on the table because we can't give away Fields. Why should he sign with a club that would rather keep some role players rather than going all out for him?

You are taking the "20 million" out of context. The only way he loses "20 million" is if he gets injured. What-we can't resign him? Melo is a SUPERSTAR. They don't have to worry about an extra guaranteed 6 year. They have to worry about their LEGACIES.

And i disagree- there is NO WAY Melo is that STUPID. So you're telling me. If I'm Melo, I would rather weaken my team. Essentially lose my promising 24 year old future center or 22 year old runner up "rookie of the year" 2 guard (who is perfect for my team). So I can weaken my chances of winning a championship -so I can guarantee money that I will receive as long as I don't have a career ending injury?

If that's the type of foresight that Melo has--I don't want him here. However, I'd be willing to bet that it's not.

And just out of curiosity. Why would Donnie blatantly say "it was a courtesy to Amare"? What was the purpose of PUBLICLY stating that?

And to answer your question about "giving up Mozz if Denver asked". If you want to win a championship before Amare's body gets weaker- then NO, you can't give up Mozz. Did you forget about the Lakers?

[Curryy]

you know, a lot of people use this crazy/tired rhetoric that D'antoni doesnt cant win in the playoffs. I think it's **** and there have been other circumstances that have prevented his teams from getting to the title. People forget that in the 62 win season the suns got outrebounded 60/82 games. People forget that when you have a pace that D'antoni teams have, you cannot play defense for 4 quarters. The players arent blidn to this either. Look at how many times Felton and Amare talk about how important it is to play defense in the 4th. When your pace is like the Celtics, you need to play defense for 4 quarters because the margin on error with having less # of scoring opportunities is too low...

Melo isnt dumb. He's played for D'antoni in the olympics and wouldnt come here unless he thought it would work

Finally! Somebody around here gets it.

OMG DANTONI REALESTS.

HIDE HIM OR THE TROLLS WILL DEVOUR


+1000 for the post by the way. I agree 100%

[Knicks_Fan2]

you know, a lot of people use this crazy/tired rhetoric that D'antoni doesnt cant win in the playoffs. I think it's **** and there have been other circumstances that have prevented his teams from getting to the title. People forget that in the 62 win season the suns got outrebounded 60/82 games. People forget that when you have a pace that D'antoni teams have, you cannot play defense for 4 quarters. The players arent blidn to this either. Look at how many times Felton and Amare talk about how important it is to play defense in the 4th. When your pace is like the Celtics, you need to play defense for 4 quarters because the margin on error with having less # of scoring opportunities is too low...

Melo isnt dumb. He's played for D'antoni in the olympics and wouldnt come here unless he thought it would work

Finally! Somebody around here gets it.

OMG DANTONI REALESTS.

HIDE HIM OR THE TROLLS WILL DEVOUR


+1000 for the post by the way. I agree 100%

Agree with you guys but I also agree that tweaks with this team--like giving the Moz/Turiaf combo another try on a permanent basis is better for the team.

[Knicker23]

Lol, BT thinks hiring LaLa at MSG as some DJ or host and paying her millions would be a good way to circumvent the cap..

[Jay10]

Lol, BT thinks hiring LaLa at MSG as some DJ or host and paying her millions would be a good way to circumvent the cap..

VJ*

[Context]

Lol, BT thinks hiring LaLa at MSG as some DJ or host and paying her millions would be a good way to circumvent the cap..

Who's "BT"? And yes I agree...How could the NBA police that?

[Jay10]

Lol, BT thinks hiring LaLa at MSG as some DJ or host and paying her millions would be a good way to circumvent the cap..

Who's "BT"? And yes I agree...How could the NBA police that?

BT = Brandon Tierney

[K_ick_God]

Lol, BT thinks hiring LaLa at MSG as some DJ or host and paying her millions would be a good way to circumvent the cap..

Who's "BT"? And yes I agree...How could the NBA police that?

Brandon Tierney. But it's something that would not work. The NBA would not allow it.

[Knicker23]

Interesting idea, but the commissioner would penalize them in a heartbeat... On the surface it seems like you'd be able to say ''hey what can they do, we hired Lala at Fuse cause she's skilled and qualified for the job' .. but paying her millions as a relative to melo, it may as well erase the whole salary cap idea from the nba... any team would be able to find a brother sister mother cousin to pay millions to as a relative to the star player they want.... sign DW for 1 mill and pay his brother 50 mill to be a columnist on newsday haha

[Jay10]

a caller brought up dolan hiring stephon's cousin after stephon became a knick

[J9Starks3]

Interesting idea, but the commissioner would penalize them in a heartbeat... On the surface it seems like you'd be able to say ''hey what can they do, we hired Lala at Fuse cause she's skilled and qualified for the job' .. but paying her millions as a relative to melo, it may as well erase the whole salary cap idea from the nba... any team would be able to find a brother sister mother cousin to pay millions to as a relative to the star player they want.... sign DW for 1 mill and pay his brother 50 mill to be a columnist on newsday haha

Didnt we hire Steph's cousin? Doesnt LeBron's crew all get special treatment in Cleveland and now Miami? This type of thing happens all the time.