The Lebron Thread

[GSP]

James/Wade are strangely underrated at how well they work together, certainly. They're both great passers and finishers and it makes sense to see this data. Though it's pretty shocking how bad they are without Lebron this year.

=15.2... I know they look terrible without LeBron, but I didn't think it was -15.2 :/

Sample size, and Spo changed his sub pattern to match what Brown did in Cleveland. Lebron now plays more more against bench players and less against starters than in 2011. Wade and Bosh both play more minutes against starting units, whereas Lebron plays more in garbage time

Do you have the minutes stats to back this claim?

[datstockton]

James/Wade are strangely underrated at how well they work together, certainly. They're both great passers and finishers and it makes sense to see this data. Though it's pretty shocking how bad they are without Lebron this year.

=15.2... I know they look terrible without LeBron, but I didn't think it was -15.2 :/

Sample size, and Spo changed his sub pattern to match what Brown did in Cleveland. Lebron now plays more more against bench players and less against starters than in 2011. Wade and Bosh both play more minutes against starting units, whereas Lebron plays more in garbage time

this is not true.. LeBron only ever get rests at the beginning of the second and fourth quarters.. usually not when starters are in

[toodles23]

Lebron's made 21 of his last 23 shots. That's amazing, and before his first miss today, he was 20 of his last 21.

My god, Lebron is really on some kind of incredible tear over the last 10-15 games. He's been ridiculous. Love that lefty hook off the glass, it's way superior to the baseline fadeaway.

17 points on 10 true attempts in the first half.

[SideshowBob]

Solid 2.5 quarters of basketball, then sort of checked out after that

Since rebounding from the ankle injury (last 12 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
38.8  29.1   7.8    7.1    1.9    0.8    2.8  .672   .640    26.5   133

30/7/6 on 74% TS in the month of February so far.

His eFG% is at 59.3% for the season and approaching the 60% mark. That's prime Barkley territory

[jjgp111292]

Amusing fact: LeBron has scored 1234 points this season after tonight.

[SideshowBob]

Solid 2.5 quarters of basketball, then sort of checked out after that

Since rebounding from the ankle injury (last 12 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
38.8  29.1   7.8    7.1    1.9    0.8    2.8  .672   .640    26.5   133

30/7/6 on 74% TS in the month of February so far.

His eFG% is at 59.3% for the season and approaching the 60% mark. That's prime Barkley territory

Also, he's topped 70% TS in 6 of his last 12 games

[IG2]

Solid 2.5 quarters of basketball, then sort of checked out after that

Yeah, lost his concentration after a godly 2.5 qtrs. He was on such a roll that I got greedy and began expecting 40 points in 3 qtrs, but Houston switched up their D on him(hard shading on every play) and LeBron didn't really bother to adjust himself. Went through the motions after that. Wade had a spectacular 2nd half though and Miami needed every single point. If there's one thing I've always wanted LeBron to learn from Wade, it's his off-ball activity on offense. Wade, whether on fire or stinking it up, is always very active on O and can save lot of broken plays with his constant movement.

[ardee]

Solid 2.5 quarters of basketball, then sort of checked out after that

Since rebounding from the ankle injury (last 12 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
38.8  29.1   7.8    7.1    1.9    0.8    2.8  .672   .640    26.5   133

30/7/6 on 74% TS in the month of February so far.

His eFG% is at 59.3% for the season and approaching the 60% mark. That's prime Barkley territory

This might be the best regular season stretch of LeBron's career.... His pts/rebounds/assts numbers have been higher, but combine it with shooting efficiency, turnovers caused and lack of turnovers/fouls, I'd be very hard pressed to find something to match it other than maybe mid-way through 2009 when he was basically putting up a triple double every night.

[SideshowBob]

This might be the best regular season stretch of LeBron's career.... His pts/rebounds/assts numbers have been higher, but combine it with shooting efficiency, turnovers caused and lack of turnovers/fouls, I'd be very hard pressed to find something to match it other than maybe mid-way through 2009 when he was basically putting up a triple double every night.

Try this one. 12/30/2009 - 1/23/2010 (12 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
40.4  34.4   7.8    7.9    1.8    1.6    3.5  .663   .602    30.3   130

Or this. 2/4/2010 - 3/5/2010 (13 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
40.9  32.7   7.4    9.8    2.3    0.8    2.9  .623   .563    30.2   129

[starvinmarvin17]

This might be the best regular season stretch of LeBron's career.... His pts/rebounds/assts numbers have been higher, but combine it with shooting efficiency, turnovers caused and lack of turnovers/fouls, I'd be very hard pressed to find something to match it other than maybe mid-way through 2009 when he was basically putting up a triple double every night.

Try this one. 12/30/2009 - 1/23/2010 (12 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
40.4  34.4   7.8    7.9    1.8    1.6    3.5  .663   .602    30.3   130

Or this. 2/4/2010 - 3/5/2010 (13 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
40.9  32.7   7.4    9.8    2.3    0.8    2.9  .623   .563    30.2   129

That's nuts the thing about playing in Cleve's land was that e had to bring it very night where as in Miami there are nights where Lebron can just play average, especially games like today where wade goes for 31/8/ 4 steals

[D.Brasco]

Well he had 32 6 and 5 i guess that can be considered "lebron average" i suppose?

ps. can someone explain to me the difference between ts% and efg%? I noticed his efg% was much higher in that stretch this season than in the one's from 09 and '10.

[ardee]

Well he had 32 6 and 5 i guess that can be considered "lebron average" i suppose?

ps. can someone explain to me the difference between ts% and efg%? I noticed his efg% was much higher in that stretch this season than in the one's from 09 and '10.

TS% counts 'true shots': as in, the number of shots that ended up drawing fouls as well. To do that, you multiply FTA by 0.44. That's because normally you get two free throws per shot, but 6% of shots end up in and ones.

EFG% basically counts accounts for the 50% more return three point shots give you. You basically take FGM and add 3PM/2. EFG is a very important stat IMO, stops knuckleheads who use stats like FG% to knock players three point heavy like Kobe, Dirk, etc.

[ardee]

This might be the best regular season stretch of LeBron's career.... His pts/rebounds/assts numbers have been higher, but combine it with shooting efficiency, turnovers caused and lack of turnovers/fouls, I'd be very hard pressed to find something to match it other than maybe mid-way through 2009 when he was basically putting up a triple double every night.

Try this one. 12/30/2009 - 1/23/2010 (12 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
40.4  34.4   7.8    7.9    1.8    1.6    3.5  .663   .602    30.3   130

Or this. 2/4/2010 - 3/5/2010 (13 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
40.9  32.7   7.4    9.8    2.3    0.8    2.9  .623   .563    30.2   129

Ok, I admit, I was baiting you to see what the best streak you had was

How do you think this compares to the best streak of Jordan's career?

[jjgp111292]

LeBron is now shooting 56.6 % on the season.

[SideshowBob]

Ok, I admit, I was baiting you to see what the best streak you had was

How do you think this compares to the best streak of Jordan's career?

Considering pace and the fact that I was never as impressed with Jordan's pre-1990 years as others, I think they're in the same realm. Jordan was obviously a few notches ahead scoring-wise.

Although I'm going to have to rethink your earlier statement. This current Lebron streak might be better than anything we've seen from him before.

Since recovering from Ankle injury (13 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
38.2  29.2   7.5    7.0    1.8    0.8    3.0  .688   .657    26.5   133

I mean, if I had to nitpick, I'd say he's turning it over a bit too much in the past 3 or 4, but the efficiency from the field more than makes up for that.

Last 4

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
36.3  30.8   6.8    6.5    1.0    1.0    4.3  .808   .797    27.3   134

[PCProductions]

Last 4

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    STL    BLK    TOV   TS%    eFG%   GmSc   ORTG
36.3  30.8   6.8    6.5    1.0    1.0    4.3  .808   .797    27.3   134

[toodles23]

Lebron's moved himself up to .560 FG% and .630 TS% after tonight (shot 100 TS% tonight, btw, when you consider he had two and-1s and a technical FT). He is just on a tear, I agree, this might be the best (regular season) ball of his career, he's playing with a mental mastery he's never shown before. He's making the right decision pretty much every single time. It helps that his jumper has been WET, he just doesn't miss open looks right now, when he took that last spot up three off the Cole pass, I knew for sure that it was going in. The refs have also been giving him calls in the last several games that he wasn't getting all season, I wonder what the reason for that is?

And how long can he keep this up for?

And I believe he also had the first 4 point play of his career tonight. He's gotten fouled and made a three before, but he missed the FT.

[MisterWestside]

And for all the "LeBron dominates the ball too much" haters out there, LeBron's still posting a career low in offensive poss. % for the season. Watch the games with your eyes, and see how the man has been less involved in his team's offense, perhaps to pace himself energy-wise for the postseason.

[orangeparka]

Indeed his off-ball play has improved leaps and bounds IMO. Since he has Wade it's not necessary for him to have to dominate the rock every single possession.

Question, do you think he can finish the season 55/40? Has it ever been done before?

[Greatness]

Indeed his off-ball play has improved leaps and bounds IMO. Since he has Wade it's not necessary for him to have to dominate the rock every single possession.

Question, do you think he can finish the season 55/40? Has it ever been done before?

Chris Mullin did it in 1996-1997 and that's the only time it has ever happened.