Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[Frank Nova]

Yeah, I'd have that board Randle/Saric/Stauskas/McDermott.

While I tend to agree, the gap for me isn't as big as you might think. If I had #8 and those were the four guys available it wouldn't take much for me to trade back and take McDermott. The hustle and smarts are there and they compensate for a lot.

I would be utterly disgusted if we passed on Randle to trade down for McDermott. There isn't a salesman in the world selling me on that. 5yrs from now I could potentially eat those words but I'll gladly take my chances.

[White+Purple]

Yeah, I'd have that board Randle/Saric/Stauskas/McDermott.

While I tend to agree, the gap for me isn't as big as you might think. If I had #8 and those were the four guys available it wouldn't take much for me to trade back and take McDermott. The hustle and smarts are there and they compensate for a lot.

I would be utterly disgusted if we passed on Randle to trade down for McDermott. There isn't a salesman in the world selling me on that. 5yrs from now I could potentially eat those words but I'll gladly take my chances.

How come?

[Frank Nova]

While I tend to agree, the gap for me isn't as big as you might think. If I had #8 and those were the four guys available it wouldn't take much for me to trade back and take McDermott. The hustle and smarts are there and they compensate for a lot.

I would be utterly disgusted if we passed on Randle to trade down for McDermott. There isn't a salesman in the world selling me on that. 5yrs from now I could potentially eat those words but I'll gladly take my chances.

How come?

I'm just not sold on McDermott at all. He was a great college scorer and everything but he will be hard pressed to be successful scoring like that against starting NBA caliber players and the rest of his game leaves a lot to be desired IMO. He will be a sieve on the defensive side of the ball and won't offer much more than being a floor spacer/hustle guy, basically a poor mans Ersan. I'd be pretty upset to waste a lotto pick on that if I happened to be right. Just my 2 cents tho.

I don't see McDermott as the type of 3+D guy Kyle Korver has become and I certainly don't see him as any Larry Bird type. So naturally I can't be sold on him being worth a top 10 pick or ever lottery. Not saying it won't happen or shouldn't happen, just saying that I sure don't want to be the 1 taking the chance.

What sells u on McDermott?

[DanoMac]

Randle, Saric, Stauskas, McDermott... Who ya got?

Saric, Stauskas, Randle, McDermott

[DanoMac]

McDermott kinda reminds me of Donyell Marshall

[Wonka]

Randle, Saric, Stauskas, McDermott... Who ya got?

Saric, Stauskas, Randle, McDermott

It's really hard for me to decide between Saric and Stauskas. Forget McDermott though, want nothing to do with him.

[White+Purple]

I'm just not sold on McDermott at all. He was a great college scorer and everything but he will be hard pressed to be successful scoring like that against starting NBA caliber players and the rest of his game leaves a lot to be desired IMO. He will be a sieve on the defensive side of the ball and won't offer much more than being a floor spacer/hustle guy, basically a poor mans Ersan. I'd be pretty upset to waste a lotto pick on that if I happened to be right. Just my 2 cents tho.

I don't see McDermott as the type of 3+D guy Kyle Korver has become and I certainly don't see him as any Larry Bird type. So naturally I can't be sold on him being worth a top 10 pick or ever lottery. Not saying it won't happen or shouldn't happen, just saying that I sure don't want to be the 1 taking the chance.

What sells u on McDermott?

I agree with most of those criticisms. He's a more intelligent scorer than sometimes he gets credit for, and I think that's going to help him take advantage of opportunities when he gets them. For example you can't just put a smaller player on him to keep his outside shooting down, because he's a good post scorer. And while his man defense will be sub par his defensive positioning and off-ball impact is well above average - and that's a very underrated trait.

The more important question though is aren't most of your qualms also relevant to Randle? What makes him such a superior prospect?

[White+Purple]

Randle, Saric, Stauskas, McDermott... Who ya got?

Saric, Stauskas, Randle, McDermott

Small gaps between them all? Or are some names well above others?

[DanoMac]

Randle, Saric, Stauskas, McDermott... Who ya got?

Saric, Stauskas, Randle, McDermott

Small gaps between them all? Or are some names well above others?

There's a narrow gap between Saric and Stauskas. The gap between Stauskas and Randle is sizeable. The gap between Randle and McDermott is minimal, if there even is a gap at all. I had to think about that one.

[White+Purple]

Saric, Stauskas, Randle, McDermott

Small gaps between them all? Or are some names well above others?

There's a narrow gap between Saric and Stauskas. The gap between Stauskas and Randle is sizeable. The gap between Randle and McDermott is minimal, if there even is a gap at all. I had to think about that one.

Yeah, interesting. I predicted most people would have at least a gap between Randle and McDermott, regardless of where Saric and Stauskas fall. But for me there's not really much difference between any of them.

[El Duderino]

I doubt after the season Dieng had they'd give him up for that.

I'm still baffled that Dieng lasted until the 21st pick in a terrible draft. I watched him play a ton of times for Louisville and it was clear to me that at worst he'd be a useful backup NBA center. He was an athletic, hard playing, and smart 7' center who could rebound, block shots, and even pass the ball with savvy for a big man. It seems like in nearly every draft a quality big man like him slips to far.

[Frank Nova]

I'm just not sold on McDermott at all. He was a great college scorer and everything but he will be hard pressed to be successful scoring like that against starting NBA caliber players and the rest of his game leaves a lot to be desired IMO. He will be a sieve on the defensive side of the ball and won't offer much more than being a floor spacer/hustle guy, basically a poor mans Ersan. I'd be pretty upset to waste a lotto pick on that if I happened to be right. Just my 2 cents tho.

I don't see McDermott as the type of 3+D guy Kyle Korver has become and I certainly don't see him as any Larry Bird type. So naturally I can't be sold on him being worth a top 10 pick or ever lottery. Not saying it won't happen or shouldn't happen, just saying that I sure don't want to be the 1 taking the chance.

What sells u on McDermott?

I agree with most of those criticisms. He's a more intelligent scorer than sometimes he gets credit for, and I think that's going to help him take advantage of opportunities when he gets them. For example you can't just put a smaller player on him to keep his outside shooting down, because he's a good post scorer. And while his man defense will be sub par his defensive positioning and off-ball impact is well above average - and that's a very underrated trait.

The more important question though is aren't most of your qualms also relevant to Randle? What makes him such a superior prospect?

Randle won't have to find his niche like McDermott will. Randle will come in from day 1 and be able to bang with NBA bodies. Randle is a traditional PF, he already has a foundation. McDermott is too small to play even a stretch 4 and to slow to play on the wing. He will live and die by how crafty he can be off the ball to get in position to score. Randle should and will be able to utilize his skill set to be forceful in the paint.

Sure, both have defensive limitations but I'm willing to bet Randle has more success guarding bigs and I feel like they'd be equally as bad guarding wings so I still give the advantage to Randle.

Plus I think McDermott is overrated truthfully. Seniors are supposed to dominate college basketball. They are more mature physically and mentally. That's just life in general.

[paulpressey25]

I think you take Randle over all those guys for the simple reason that if he hits, he could hit very big.

With a guy like McDermott, he's Kyle Korver. Very nice player but a guy you get in trade or with your MLE.

Randle goes top three in a decent number of prior drafts.

[Licensed to Il]

I think McDermott is more than Korver. Doug is probably is more versatile than him right now, specifically in his ability to create shots in the mid range game and in the post. McDermott also tested more athletic than anyone thought he would, and has an uncommon devotion and drive to the game. Who knows where he will get drafted and what is the best value, but a more athletic Korver who can create his own shot cracks the 8 man rotation for any team in the league.

[machu46]

I honestly don't see how you can really be concerned about McDermott not being an effective scorer in the NBA. He's easily the most skilled scorer in the draft this year IMO, and he's one of the few in the draft that was able to kill it even when he faced NBA athletes. His defense is a huge concern, but if he can at least play well within a team concept defensively, there's no reason he can't eventually become a 15+ PPG kinda guy.

[Baddy Chuck]

Still like the Szczerbiak comparisons for McBuckets.

*That is if everything works out for him, think his floor is like a white Jared Dudley, that being because you can't compare him to non Caucasian players..

[Zeezprah]

whoever gets randle is going to get a steal. i'd be shocked if he wasn't a zach randolph clone.

plug him in at PF and you've got a double double machine for 10 years.

can't believe someone like LA is going to get him at 7. or if charlotte got him at 9 and pair him with jefferson?

call me crazy, but give me randle over someone like vonleh any day.

[DanoMac]

call me crazy, but give me randle over someone like vonleh any day.

You're crazy

[mattg]

Still like the Szczerbiak comparisons for McBuckets.

*That is if everything works out for him, think his floor is like a white Jared Dudley, that being because you can't compare him to non Caucasian players..

The Wally comp is good. Doug is just so skilled at moving off the ball to set himself up and he's got his nifty mid post game and J to take advantage of. Its hard to imagine him not being a double digits-mid/low teens scorer. Not terribly concerned about his defense either, he knows where to be and is fundamentally sound, he's not gonna lock anyone up but there are worse defenders in the league right now.

Weezy, it's also disingenuous to talk down mcdermotts play because "seniors are supposed to dominate". Fact is Doug dominated his soph and junior year as well and had a frosh year that was pretty damn impressive in its own right. It's not like Doug just started succeeding on the court because he was a mature senior whooping up on underclassmen.

[MrPerfect1]

I think people are sleeping on McDermott. The biggest taking watching SA should be how important passing/ball movement and shooting/spacing are in the NBA.

McDermott has awesome range, a great feel for scoring, and tested better athletically than almost anyone expected. The fact he already has the Dirk fadeaway makes him even more intriguing.

It is also worth remembering they he held his own/played pretty well last year as part of the Team USA tryouts. If he can hold his own against Top NBA players, the odds seem high he can be quite good.