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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1361 » by cammac » Fri Apr 6, 2018 2:57 pm

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cammac wrote:Indications he is in single digits plus I don't believe that Cruz is that popular and he spent much of his 1st term running for President. Cruz has a very low likability factor but tough for Democrats.

Nice that he is raising some money, but he has zero chance to win TX.

We are going to try our damndest :)


Great article in Daily Beast about Beto! Well worth the read.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-beto-orourke-is-building-a-digital-fundraising-army?ref=home
Yes it is a uphill battle but so was Doug Jones in Alabama, Conor Lamb in PA18 and in both cases they ran against rather toxic Republicans. Conar Lamb although he got less money in the race than Saccone he had higher individual contributions so equalized out advertising because he got lower rates.
The latest approval ratings of Cruz which was in February we pro 40% negative 42% how they have shifted in the interim is not known. Trumps approval rating in Texas are dropping which helps. Beto has done a marvelous job in familiarizing voters in all parts of the State.

Ballotpedia in January had race at Cruz 42% & O'Rourke 37% a gap of 5points.
https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas,_2018

What we have seen in Special Elections so far is that Democrats whether they win or lose are shattering Clinton versus Trump results. If you look at the Senate race in Tennessee Former Gov. Phil Bredesen has a 10-point lead over U.S. Rep. Marsha Blackburn in the race to succeed U.S. Sen. Bob Corker, according to a new poll from Middle Tennessee State University.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/05/tennessee-us-senate-2018-poll-phil-bredesen-marsha-blackburn/485649002/

Yes I believe that at the moment Cruz has a advantage but the gap is closing and it will become a new voter and enthusiasm election. My prediction tossup + or - 2%
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1362 » by cammac » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:30 pm

Under winning trade wars are easy addition!

I have a question and one that seemingly no one has answered is are any of the Trump products made in China subject to 25% duty?
Some interesting facts in the Chinese retaliation to the 50 billion in duties proposed by Trump.

2,783 counties impacted.
2,279 (82%) of the counties went for Trump
446 went for Clinton


Key point: When the U.S. counters in a trade war, it's hurting *Americans*.

(Tariffs help some American producers, but hurt American consumers even more.)

HERE'S HOW A TRADE WAR WORKS:
- THE U.S. FIRES OFF A ROUND OF TARIFFS, WHICH HURTS BOTH CHINA AND THE U.S.
- CHINA RETALIATES, WHICH HURTS BOTH CHINA AND THE U.S.
- THIS CONTINUES AS EACH ROUND HURTS BOTH CHINA AND THE U.S.
- SOMEHOW SOMEONE WINS(???)

AWESOME, HUH?
THE QUESTION IS, WHICH SUPERPOWER CAN CONTINUE PUNCHING ITS OWN PEOPLE IN THE FACE FOR THE LONGEST?
OVERNIGHT MARKETS LOOK PRETTY UNHAPPY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT REPEATEDLY PUNCHING AMERICANS IN THE FACE.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/6/1754687/-Swing-State-Sinophobia-In-a-trade-war-the-ruling-class-profits-and-social-conflicts-will-escalate
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1363 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:41 pm

^which IS why a partnership of countries that equal or exceed the influence/economic might of China should be banding together to help negotiate an end to these tariffs and China's manipulation of markets.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1364 » by dckingsfan » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:46 pm

^ problem is that our partners have been taking advantage of us as well (see NAFTA).

We really don't have a good option at this point.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1365 » by cammac » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:13 pm

dckingsfan wrote:^ problem is that our partners have been taking advantage of us as well (see NAFTA).

We really don't have a good option at this point.


I hadn't a problem with NAFTA review the problem was initially the American negotiators were unreasonable. Canada had to unite with Mexico in opposition to the American negotiators. Canada has lost jobs to Mexico and one thing they wanted to do was raise labor standards and wages for Mexican workers and also wanted to counter "Right to Work States". Canada has a much higher % of unionized workers than the USA. Canada was not the problem in trade basically over the years trade between Canada & USA about equal. Where USA gets a imbalance in trade with Canada is with higher energy prices. Plus early in Trumps administration the 1st duties were against Canada 300% on Bombardier planes, 30% plus on softwood lumber & pulp Canada chose not to react but took the dispute to the WTO. Bombardier was resolved and likely other others will be in Canada's favor. But it also hardened resolve in the NAFTA agreements.

Jamaaliver wrote:^which IS why a partnership of countries that equal or exceed the influence/economic might of China should be banding together to help negotiate an end to these tariffs and China's manipulation of markets.

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The TPP was exactly a trade alliance that was devised to counter the dominance of China. Now the 11 other countries have signed the deal and it is unlikely the USA will be allowed back in.
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Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1366 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:17 pm

dckingsfan wrote:^ problem is that our partners have been taking advantage of us as well (see NAFTA).

We really don't have a good option at this point.

^Create new trade alliances. Or get back to old ones. For example right now is the time to tell China to kiss there “one china” policy goodbye and start making deals again with Hong Kong and Taiwan. Make a deal with South Korea. And in fact make a deal with North Korea: they de nuke and we give them a seat at the table and become a trade partner.

China can kiss my stanky brown hole!!!!

We should send the Jimmy Carter over there and sink their fuqing brand new aircraft carrier too. Just to see how froggy they really feel.

Im sick of China. They manipulated their currency and built the superpower of the sweatshop labor child labor in the modern era. That bull crap was supposed to be over with the hundred years ago. I say we drop these chumps before they drop us.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1367 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:30 pm

cammac wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:^ problem is that our partners have been taking advantage of us as well (see NAFTA).

We really don't have a good option at this point.


I hadn't a problem with NAFTA review the problem was initially the American negotiators were unreasonable. Canada had to unite with Mexico in opposition to the American negotiators. Canada has lost jobs to Mexico and one thing they wanted to do was raise labor standards and wages for Mexican workers and also wanted to counter "Right to Work States". Canada has a much higher % of unionized workers than the USA. Canada was not the problem in trade basically over the years trade between Canada & USA about equal. Where USA gets a imbalance in trade with Canada is with higher energy prices. Plus early in Trumps administration the 1st duties were against Canada 300% on Bombardier planes, 30% plus on softwood lumber & pulp Canada chose not to react but took the dispute to the WTO. Bombardier was resolved and likely other others will be in Canada's favor. But it also hardened resolve in the NAFTA agreements.

Jamaaliver wrote:^which IS why a partnership of countries that equal or exceed the influence/economic might of China should be banding together to help negotiate an end to these tariffs and China's manipulation of markets.

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The TPP was exactly a trade alliance that was devised to counter the dominance of China. Now the 11 other countries have signed the deal and it is unlikely the USA will be allowed back in.

In all honesty, Mexico n Canada can kiss our ass too.

We consume enough goods right here, in the good ol fashion USofA that we can become 100% self sufficient. Trump should get the Republicans together right now and float a law out there right now we’re all good consumed in the United States of America must be produced manufactured and procured solely from American goods.

Additionally we should tax all key exports at 50% right here right now.

Withdraw from NATO, the UN, the WTO, NAFTA, everything.

Build the baddest military this world has ever seen and give the rest of the world two fingers up. Chaos will ensue every single consonant but hours. We should sit back and Let them fight it out. You watch. mayhem everywhere. Kingdoms and State will topple. wait for them to come begging for help and when we help. Wait till they’re on their knees mouth agape ready for all holes to be filled.

They will be ready to negotiate then. you bet your azz.

In the meantime send the Jimmy Carter around the world sinking every striker carrier group in its path.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1368 » by cammac » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:53 pm

What Republicans are saying!
Congressional leaders representing farm states have also been worried about the tit-for-tat promises of retaliation. On Thursday, Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska accused Trump of not have a realistic plan for reining in China’s trade problems.

Trump is “threatening to light American agriculture on fire. Let’s absolutely take on Chinese bad behavior, but with a plan that punishes them instead of us,” Sasse said. “This is the dumbest possible way to do this.”

Michael Eggman, a Democratic bee farmer running against Rep. Jeff Denham (R), says he has been hearing concerns this week from almond growers, even among people who supported Trump’s campaign to disrupt politics. “Now they are starting to see how reckless this is,” he said. “It’s not shaking up Washington now. Now you are shaking up the valley,” Eggman said, referring to California’s Central Valley.

The issue also has been raised in the district held by Rep. David Valadao (R), just to the south of Denham’s district. One of the Democratic candidates, T.J. Cox, who owns a nut-processing business, said in statement Monday that the new tariffs are “devastating to Central Valley small businesses.”


“I’m not a fan of tariffs, and I am nervous about what appears to be a growing trend in the Administration to levy tariffs,” McConnell said. “This is a slippery slope, so my hope is that this will stop before it gets into a broader tit for tat that can’t be good for our country.”

In Iowa, the entire GOP congressional delegation, including two vulnerable Republican incumbents, Reps. Rod Blum and David Young, wrote a similar letter to Trump in early March asking him to not tax steel and aluminum imports. “Tariffs are a tax on families, and hard-working Iowans cannot afford a trade war,” the letter read.


“It makes perfect sense that they would do this,” said Dermot J. Hayes, a professor of agriculture at Iowa State University who studies the pork market. “Iowa is normally a swing state that went strongly for Trump. I would guess that somebody looked at a map and overlaid the areas where Trump won with areas where pork is important.”

The 25 percent tax on pork imports to China has coincided with a reduction in pork prices of about $10 per animal in recent months, or more than 12 percent, a shift that could add up to a $400 million loss in annual revenue for Iowa pork farmers, said Hayes.


The reality is that the duties placed on USA goods by China will not reflect negatively on the Chinese people. Agricultural products can be bought from other countries, made in America SUVs by BMW can be replaced with Audi's. The pain comes significantly on the RED States and consumers.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1369 » by Pointgod » Fri Apr 6, 2018 5:51 pm

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4606367

According to Hejazi, even unwanted, Trump's trade war will actually spur on the development of the Chinese economy, making it an even stronger competitor.

"Given there is a trade war, it can push China into doing things that could really help it over the longer term in terms of diversifying itself into Asia, into other markets, but also developing its domestic economy."


Unlike the other so-called Asian tigers such as South Korea and Singapore, as domestic demand grows China can become less dependent on exports. Like the U.S., it will have the advantage of "economies of scale and a single market."


If China could begin to replace American goods such as Boeing jets, couldn't the U.S. just do the same thing with the Chinese products it imports? Wang says that could be harder.

"For the U.S. it's the massive amount of consumer goods — the clothing, the shoes, the household electronics, the computers and the phones."

Wang says the sheer volume of imports of inexpensive Chinese goods purchased by lower-class and poor Americans makes it almost impossible for the U.S. to replace those imports by making them at home.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1370 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Apr 6, 2018 8:44 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1371 » by cammac » Fri Apr 6, 2018 9:49 pm

I can remember a SD20 post criticizing the Obama drone attacks and how it killed civilians.
It was dreadful and how inhumane it was and he should be a war criminal.

Trump came to office promising to give the Pentagon a free hand to unleash the full force of U.S. firepower. His impatience was evident on his first full day in office when he visited the CIA and was ushered up to the agency’s drone operations floor. [...]

Later, when the agency’s head of drone operations explained that the CIA had developed special munitions to limit civilian casualties, the president seemed unimpressed. Watching a previously recorded strike in which the agency held off on firing until the target had wandered away from a house with his family inside, Trump asked, “Why did you wait?” one participant in the meeting recalled.

On the campaign trail, Trump often said he would “take out” the families of terrorists. — www.washingtonpost.com/...


According to statistics compiled by the Airwars watchdog group, there were nearly 50% more coalition air strikes in Iraq and Syria in 2017 compared with the previous year. Civilian deaths rose by 215%. The coalition, almost all US planes, dropped 20,000 bombs on Raqqa. By the end of the five-month campaign, 80% of the city was declared uninhabitable by the UN, and 1,800 civilians are thought to have been killed. Airwars estimates 1,400 of those deaths were caused by coalition air and artillery bombardment.

“We had always expected the highest proportion of civilian casualties to occur in that stage in the war and that’s exactly what happened,” said Chris Woods, the head of Airwars. “Even if we had had a Clinton presidency we would doubtless have had higher civilian casualties in that last stage of the war simply because Raqqa and Mosul were under assault. What we still don’t fully understand is how many more civilians were harmed as a result of fairly significant changes that the Trump administration says it put in place.” — www.theguardian.com/...


President Trump reportedly asked an official at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) why they didn’t kill a terrorist target's family during a drone strike.

The Washington Post reported Thursday after watching a recorded video of a Syrian drone strike where officials waited until the target was outside of his family’s home, Trump asked, “Why did you wait?”

The agency’s head of drone operations explained to an “unimpressed” Trump there are techniques to limit the number of civilian casualties. — thehill.com/...


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/6/1754907/-Trump-urged-CIA-to-kill-more-families-and-children-in-drone-strikes
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1372 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:31 pm

^ you seriously must have trouble with reading comprehension. I never condemned Obama for those drone strikes. What I said was that it’s a dirty job. there’s no such thing as choir boys running any head of state anywhere in any country. choirboys need not apply.


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Post#1373 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:34 pm

Here’s the thing, cammac.

You have been going on and on and on about trade and balances and trade wars. And on and on and on about how the US is going to be harmed.

My question is what are you so afraid of a trade war for then? You are pro Canada Pro Democrat pro globalism and anti-trump Anti-Republican and anti-red states. so if there is a trade war And all your predictions of gloom and doom for the US in red states is going to hurt the US and Trump and the red states so badly then you should be the biggest cheerleader in the world for Trade war.

See what I did there? That’s called logic. Your logic is circular you always end up right back where you started making no points, just a fool of yourself along the way.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1374 » by Pointgod » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:59 pm

cammac wrote:I can remember a SD20 post criticizing the Obama drone attacks and how it killed civilians.
It was dreadful and how inhumane it was and he should be a war criminal.

Trump came to office promising to give the Pentagon a free hand to unleash the full force of U.S. firepower. His impatience was evident on his first full day in office when he visited the CIA and was ushered up to the agency’s drone operations floor. [...]

Later, when the agency’s head of drone operations explained that the CIA had developed special munitions to limit civilian casualties, the president seemed unimpressed. Watching a previously recorded strike in which the agency held off on firing until the target had wandered away from a house with his family inside, Trump asked, “Why did you wait?” one participant in the meeting recalled.

On the campaign trail, Trump often said he would “take out” the families of terrorists. — www.washingtonpost.com/...


According to statistics compiled by the Airwars watchdog group, there were nearly 50% more coalition air strikes in Iraq and Syria in 2017 compared with the previous year. Civilian deaths rose by 215%. The coalition, almost all US planes, dropped 20,000 bombs on Raqqa. By the end of the five-month campaign, 80% of the city was declared uninhabitable by the UN, and 1,800 civilians are thought to have been killed. Airwars estimates 1,400 of those deaths were caused by coalition air and artillery bombardment.

“We had always expected the highest proportion of civilian casualties to occur in that stage in the war and that’s exactly what happened,” said Chris Woods, the head of Airwars. “Even if we had had a Clinton presidency we would doubtless have had higher civilian casualties in that last stage of the war simply because Raqqa and Mosul were under assault. What we still don’t fully understand is how many more civilians were harmed as a result of fairly significant changes that the Trump administration says it put in place.” — www.theguardian.com/...


President Trump reportedly asked an official at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) why they didn’t kill a terrorist target's family during a drone strike.

The Washington Post reported Thursday after watching a recorded video of a Syrian drone strike where officials waited until the target was outside of his family’s home, Trump asked, “Why did you wait?”

The agency’s head of drone operations explained to an “unimpressed” Trump there are techniques to limit the number of civilian casualties. — thehill.com/...


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/6/1754907/-Trump-urged-CIA-to-kill-more-families-and-children-in-drone-strikes


Trump is a **** sociopath. I don't know why his abysmal foreign policy doesn't get scrutinized more. Also stilladumbass is full of ****. I specifically remember him commenting about Obama using drone strikes which I responded that civilian casualties increased under Trump.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1375 » by cammac » Sat Apr 7, 2018 12:38 am

stilldropin20 wrote:Here’s the thing, cammac.

You have been going on and on and on about trade and balances and trade wars. And on and on and on about how the US is going to be harmed.

My question is what are you so afraid of a trade war for then? You are pro Canada Pro Democrat pro globalism and anti-trump Anti-Republican and anti-red states. so if there is a trade war And all your predictions of gloom and doom for the US in red states is going to hurt the US and Trump and the red states so badly then you should be the biggest cheerleader in the world for Trade war.

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I'm not a Democrat I'm a fiscal conservative 1st and a social liberal 2nd in that do believe that a nation needs to have it's finances in shape to support benefits for the people.

I'm not anti USA a strong and logical government in Washington is a positive for Canada economically. That obviously can't be said with Spanky MacTrump and his merry band of pilferer's

Yes in the stupid trade war Canada will benefit we will sell more farm products to China & Japan. We would have sold those products anyways to Japan because of the TPP. BTW Trudeau and Canada were the last to sign on to the TPP till we got protections on our automotive industry from Japan & Korea. Good trade negotiations are done by professionals not by a President who foreign trade experience is buying low quality products and selling them to Republican fools.

Globalist yes I am some on the board know a new venture I'm starting with partners. But I can assure you we will not be running sweat shops and will provide safe and well above average paying jobs.

Yes I am anti Reptilian because they are party of "NO" and have no real plans. The idiocy of them being prudent fiscally is a oxymoron. Do I hate "Red States" the answer is no I feel sorry for them. The vote against there own best interests believing in the "family values" where there elected representatives bow to the church of greed and corruption.

They have the poorest educational standards in the USA thus less college educated people and that directly relates to lower economic production of the state. I feel sorry for the farmers since I grew up in a farming community in SW. Ontario I know of the boom and bust of agriculture. But this President is pointing them to a unprecedented catastrophe which thousands of farmers will lose everything. Many of those regions are already suffering obviously you have never taken a road trip through much of rural America seeing small towns basically deserted, hospitals closed and people without hope.

The problem is that your brain is so addled with Skanky MacTrumps excrement that you can't conceive anything but the incoherent words of your Orange Sith Lord.
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Post#1378 » by closg00 » Sun Apr 8, 2018 12:20 pm

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Post#1379 » by Badonkadonk » Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:03 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:We consume enough goods right here, in the good ol fashion USofA that we can become 100% self sufficient. Trump should get the Republicans together right now and float a law out there right now we’re all good consumed in the United States of America must be produced manufactured and procured solely from American goods.

Additionally we should tax all key exports at 50% right here right now.

Withdraw from NATO, the UN, the WTO, NAFTA, everything.

:o

Not sure you understand how markets, capital flows and basic wealth generation actually happens, but if your goal is to punt the US economy to the dark ages and expedite the coronation China's economic dominance, then that's exactly what you should do.
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Post#1380 » by stilldropin20 » Sun Apr 8, 2018 8:07 pm

Badonkadonk wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:We consume enough goods right here, in the good ol fashion USofA that we can become 100% self sufficient. Trump should get the Republicans together right now and float a law out there right now we’re all good consumed in the United States of America must be produced manufactured and procured solely from American goods.

Additionally we should tax all key exports at 50% right here right now.

Withdraw from NATO, the UN, the WTO, NAFTA, everything.

:o

Not sure you understand how markets, capital flows and basic wealth generation actually happens, but if your goal is to punt the US economy to the dark ages and expedite the coronation China's economic dominance, then that's exactly what you should do.


I do NOT think you fully take into account all of the "threats" i outline in my theoretical trade negotiations.

Can you imagine what will happen to the entire world if the us withdraws from NATO and the UN? Based on this trade escalation with China? And what i'm really talking about is the USA taking its ball and going home. The end game would be how many other countries come with us?? I suspect 95% of the world sides with the USA including many asian, african, and central american countries and regions where good could still be made as cheaply. And I guarantee that nearly every single country from Europe joins the USA in ousting China. China would be forced to cave in. This is why its called negotiations through strength.

We would force the entire world right then and right there to decide their fate. Seriously How many countries want to be our ally over China??? To be our trade partner over china? To supply the US with Goods and services over China? To receive financial aid from the USA instead of china? To have military protection from the USA over china????

Come on. You haven't thought this through. nearly all of Europe would immediately join the USA. For all of Cammac's silly vitriol, Canada and mexico would join us immediately. All of these countries want a better deal with China. Mexico and centreal america benefit when China suffers as mexico will end up producing more goods....central and south america will all follow the USA and mexico where ever we go. they all want the USA to remain in NATO and the UN. They all want to retain the USA as a trade partner and military police of the world. No one wants to be in the cross hairs of the USA that has an "america first" policy. They all want to be a friend not a foe.

the only hope for all of these other countries that oppose the USA and oppose an "america first" policy is that the globalist via their global billionaires regain control of the USA (again) via their globally owned media and now social media. Right now, the American people have somewhat retained control of its nation again and the globalists are (somewhat) on the outside looking in.

Democrats are the party of the globalist.

The globalist want us to give up our wealth. right now our wealth is still held in 4 major things: 1. extensive natural resources, 2. gold reserves (to pay for military if and or when WW3 breaks out and paper currency is severely less valued in world markets). 3. Current stock Military strength/weapons. 4. wealth held by the people (via land and savings/investments-in our markets).
. All of which tie together to afford us the most allies in case ww3 breaks out. Quite simply we can self sustain our forces longer than any other country can. This is a great strength of ours. This is where our wealth is held. We purchased it through the 80's-current times. Obama tried to weaken us here so we could not negotiate from strength. trump has reversed that. we still have the most military might. and trump just "borrowed" nearly $1trillion more to re-inforce it. this is where your tax dollars go. So you may as well let those tax dollars go to a good cause. And an america first policy where your jobs, earning power, and lower income taxes is a good cause. If you are and American, at least. cammac is not. Pointgod is not. I repeat. they are not american, So who gives a fuq what they have to say about any of this????


Anti-American globalists (AKA democrats) have been putting their hand picked, bought and paid for politicians in our highest offices for decades, centuries even, to remove that wealth from our country and spread it around the world so that these globalist can retain more of that wealth via their global holdings. Where do you guys think China got their money from to invest in infrastructure to become a trading nation??????? Use your heads. Global investment bankers invested in China in the 70's and 80's to create the China you see today. Why enrich them at the expense of our own middle class????????


In short, badonkadonk, I think you overestimate how many countries would choose china over the USA. I doubt china gets more than 2-3 major countries to pick them over the USA...maybe Russia, maybe north korea and who else???? In effect, the USA could remove any country it targeted from the UN and from NATO if the USA launched full-scaled assault on an "us or them" policy. China wants no part of that. Russia doesn't either. They are simply bluffing. We know it. Trump knows it. All of trumps cabinet knows it. every person in congress knows it. (The problem is that many of those members of congress are bought and paid for by the globalists and global media is doing its part to scare the american people that better trade deals for the USA is bad thing!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

All of this is simply a large and all-encompassing "trade negotiation." If the USA went "all-in" and induced the entire rest of the world to induce banking and trade sanctions on China where china would no longer be given 3rd world status, no longer be allowed to manipulate their currency which allows them to produce goods so inexpensively where their citizens are grossly underpaid, no longer steal anyone intellectual property, and instead force China to make trade fair and balanced trade deals with all of the countries...that would be a GOOD THING for everyone not named China.

Or....Or....Or...This "trade war" can deescalate. And China can simply pay for its use of our intellectual property and accept tariffs until it balances it trade deficit with us??

You tell me whats better?

keep in mind we have another MAJOR ace up the sleeve in the amount of debt China has purchased from the USA. we can in fact manipulate our own economy, issue debt free notes(instead of bonds) in the amount of that debt (all of our debt really) and CRUSH the value of that debt over night. While the "american people" and our markets would not nearly be as affected as the rest of the world. China owns almost $5-6 trillion of our debt. If the USA immediately issued debt free NOTES instead of bonds in the amount of 5-6 trillion, the inflation that would be induced is in effect, defaulting on that debt. China would be set back at least half of a century. As would japan. The oil nations that own a sizable chunk of that debt would be the only countries that survive as they have the cleanest business model. just keep pumping oil. But we dont have to pay them back nor japan. Just china. We could make a separate deal with them to spare them the financial collapse. But the Bank of China would go under immediately. it would be decades before the BIS could force any type of reparation if any at all. and again, as I have said over and over, we can nationalize our entire central banking system with the stroke of the pen. We can reverse the federal banking act of 1913. keep the system. but "the people" would own it instead of the banks. It's our damn money. It's our damn debt. the collateral for the bank is our income taxes. We should own the damn central banking system, anyway!!! Ahhhh, but those fuqqing global bankers. Strong is their hold. Relentless is their tenacity.
like i said, its a full rebuild.

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