Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[Ron Swanson]

It's not just the Bucks. There's several teams that I think are in danger of making really stupid offseason moves based on the outcome of a glorified scrimmage tournament, and some arguably already have (Clippers).

[FlagsFlyForever]

Ersan is getting old, can't rely on him much longer but he definitely should've played in the ECSF.

No reason to lose minutes from washed up (retired) vet Marvin Williams.

Ersan's playoff experience and him being able to impact a game and change the momentum of a game with plays on both ends were really missed

If Ersan was 100%, I would agree but he might've been injured. He was on the injury report in the first round and didn't look like himself in the limited minutes he did play.

[ShootingtheJ]

Sounds like Gallo is going to 'ring chase'

Do we think the Bucks could realistically end up in the running for Gallo (or another asset of that caliber) with the MLE?

That certainly would reverberate across our broader offseason strategy.

Yes, now we have a lot to discuss, because of we acquire Paul, we'll be in the tax, and we won't have the MLE.

So what's better? Paul, with a tax MLE forward, or acquiring a younger PG, and signing Gallinari?

Sure, Paul is better, but then we have almost no young talent.

[leroyjw10]

Derrick White and Gallo aren't winning the Bucks a championship. CP3 might. I'd still target a 3-way trade that nets us CP3, Buddy and the #12 while giving up Middleton, Bledsoe, the #24 and contract filler.

https://tradenba.com/trades/SGu8faQT8

[raferfenix]

Sounds like Gallo is going to 'ring chase'

Do we think the Bucks could realistically end up in the running for Gallo (or another asset of that caliber) with the MLE?

That certainly would reverberate across our broader offseason strategy.

Yes, now we have a lot to discuss, because of we acquire Paul, we'll be in the tax, and we won't have the MLE.

So what's better? Paul, with a tax MLE forward, or acquiring a younger PG, and signing Gallinari?

Sure, Paul is better, but then we have almost no young talent.

Losing access to the standard $9.7 million per year MLE as part of a CP3 deal should be considered as we look at plus / minuses of these scenarios.

Of course it's a big open question whether we could entice someone like Gallo with that -- much less the taxpayer $6 million per year MLE.

Alternatively, if Gallo is really the target, a sign and trade would be the best way to ensure we get him.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Derrick White and Gallo aren't winning the Bucks a championship. CP3 might. I'd still target a 3-way trade that nets us CP3, Buddy and the #12 while giving up Middleton, Bledsoe, the #24 and contract filler.

https://tradenba.com/trades/SGu8faQT8

How does the #12 pick help us win a championship? I don't think the Bucks are in a position where they should highly value draft picks except as assets to trade for players who will help right now.

[Matches Malone]

I think whatever we do, it comes down to how spicy Lasry is feeling. I could see Horst/Bud wanting to do a more conservative re-shuffling while Lasry might be the complete opposite and want a splash move or two. Then again, I also thought Lasry would fire Bud out of emotion. Maybe he's learned? lol

[Bucksfan28]

Didnt realize CP3 takes the MLE away. Thats a major consideration. At the same time, the two teams in the Finals just proved that all you really need is like 8 playable dudes.

[jschligs]

Derrick White and Gallo aren't winning the Bucks a championship. CP3 might. I'd still target a 3-way trade that nets us CP3, Buddy and the #12 while giving up Middleton, Bledsoe, the #24 and contract filler.

https://tradenba.com/trades/SGu8faQT8

I don’t think a Paul/Buddy/#12 in place of Midds/Bled/#24 is getting it done. I’d much prefer to keep Midds (I’d argue Brook too) if we go after Paul. Paul would be able to creat so much for our team, and himself. Lobs to Giannis and Lopez, wide open feeds to Midds, cuts to Giannis and DDV. I mean I get excited at the idea of Paul cutting defenses up as primary ball handler.

[coolhandluke121]

While a small part of me does indeed think that those three players, despite their regular season statistical brilliance, were wholly unable to get the job done when the opposing team committed three defenders to our best player in two consecutive Elimination series and that is unlike to change moving forward, most of me just thinks...

Serious because in spite of what happened in the bubble, the last two years have been great and it's been a really fun team to watch most of the time and there was never a point in the last two years until game 3 against Miami that I didn't think they had a great chance to win a title. They have a chance to keep it that way for the next 3-5 years or more if they're smart, but I'm sure many of the reactionary moves being advocated for here are also being bandied about in the front office and it makes me want to puke thinking of trading Khris, or frankly any other good player on the team, in a desperation move.

I'm all for trading Bledsoe, Lopez, and Khris in the right deal, but I'm not trading them for the diminished value that so many disappointed Bucks fans seem to be ascribing to them.

[DingleJerry]

Basically the logic would be that if you keep putting one of the 2-3 best teams out there year after year for 5-6 years eventually one of the years things will fall into place and you win. Do something drastic that blows up and it might come crashing down really quick.

Problem is, I think that year might have been last year and they blew it in that game 3. Still, do it 5-6 more times and you'll hit eventually

[LuessiT]

Didnt realize CP3 takes the MLE away. Thats a major consideration. At the same time, the two teams in the Finals just proved that all you really need is like 8 playable dudes.

CP3 technically doesn't take the MLE away, but the MLE hard-caps you. The proposed CP3 trades add significant salary to the roster - so much that we'd be over the hard cap utilizing the full MLE. There's always the significantly lower tax MLE one could use, but if Gallo (and others) will have lots of suiters that have the full MLE available.
If you want CP3 and Gallo you have to either convince Gallo to take the tax MLE or you have to clear additional salary (e.g. BroLo, Middleton, Hill).

[LuessiT]

Derrick White and Gallo aren't winning the Bucks a championship. CP3 might. I'd still target a 3-way trade that nets us CP3, Buddy and the #12 while giving up Middleton, Bledsoe, the #24 and contract filler.

How can anyone say this. We were on pace to win 70 games. Even if we change nothing, we have a chance to win it all next year. The (over)reactions from Bucks fans to the bubble results are really concerning.

[leroyjw10]

Derrick White and Gallo aren't winning the Bucks a championship. CP3 might. I'd still target a 3-way trade that nets us CP3, Buddy and the #12 while giving up Middleton, Bledsoe, the #24 and contract filler.

How can anyone say this. We were on pace to win 70 games. Even if we change nothing, we have a chance to win it all next year. The (over)reactions from Bucks fans to the bubble results are really concerning.

How can anyone not say it? Draymond Green drives me crazy, but his belief in "16-game players" is spot on. It doesn't matter how many regular season games a team wins. It matters how you perform in the playoffs. Outside of Giannis, I wouldn't consider any of them 16-game players. Nor would I consider Bud a 16-game coach, but that's a different discussion. And while CP3 hasn't won any championships himself, I believe him to be far closer to a 16-game player than anyone else on the roster.

Any far too many are using the bubble as an excuse. This postseason was simply a repeat of last postseason, long before the bubble was even a thing. The same players and coaches failed to show up from year to year.

[midranger]

Honest take, we were pretty far from a title this season. Very close last. But not really all that close this year. We’re an old ass team relying on multiple guys in their thirties who are unlikely to get better. We have no young players with high end potential and no future picks that you’d expect to get such a player. The East is getting better each year. If you think we have some 5-6 years of guaranteed success waiting for a magical run, I think you’re wrong.

Last year was our best chance (I guess, now, two years ago). I think the chances go down each year if we keep this same core.

I definitely could be wrong. Been wrong before. We will see.

[Thanos1985]

i saw in greek media and i think in usa media too, thaat bucks are considering trading bledsoe and middleton

[raferfenix]

If you want CP3 and Gallo you have to either convince Gallo to take the tax MLE or you have to clear additional salary (e.g. BroLo, Middleton, Hill).

Or we sign and trade for Gallo as part of a significantly bigger CP3 deal.

Not sure if he's good enough to justify all the trouble that would entail (particularly if we'd be trading for Paul on draft day otherwise).

That and we'd probably have to be trading BroLo or Middleton to make the #'s work, which also impacts the total talent we'd need in return to make it worth our while.

[emunney]

Derrick White and Gallo aren't winning the Bucks a championship. CP3 might. I'd still target a 3-way trade that nets us CP3, Buddy and the #12 while giving up Middleton, Bledsoe, the #24 and contract filler.

How can anyone say this. We were on pace to win 70 games. Even if we change nothing, we have a chance to win it all next year. The (over)reactions from Bucks fans to the bubble results are really concerning.

Even if there hadn't been a bubble, there's just generally too much being put on a few limited observations.

Bledsoe, imo, has just run his course... we've known he's been a non-ideal fit for a while, and apart from his point of attack defense (where he's a **** artist), he doesn't have many qualities you look for in either a lead guard OR an off ball threat. I look at this early out more as an opportunity (or excuse) to move on from Bled than as a reason to do it. But I'm still not going to do it just to do it; what we get back has to be significant AND a better fit for the team moving forward.

[Ron Swanson]

Would probably help if our superstar was one of those "16-game players" then?

[KidA24]

Derrick White and Gallo aren't winning the Bucks a championship. CP3 might. I'd still target a 3-way trade that nets us CP3, Buddy and the #12 while giving up Middleton, Bledsoe, the #24 and contract filler.

How can anyone say this. We were on pace to win 70 games. Even if we change nothing, we have a chance to win it all next year. The (over)reactions from Bucks fans to the bubble results are really concerning.

How can anyone not say it? Draymond Green drives me crazy, but his belief in "16-game players" is spot on. It doesn't matter how many regular season games a team wins. It matters how you perform in the playoffs. Outside of Giannis, I wouldn't consider any of them 16-game players. Nor would I consider Bud a 16-game coach, but that's a different discussion. And while CP3 hasn't won any championships himself, I believe him to be far closer to a 16-game player than anyone else on the roster.

Any far too many are using the bubble as an excuse. This postseason was simply a repeat of last postseason, long before the bubble was even a thing. The same players and coaches failed to show up from year to year.

Here's the list of guys who played more than 10 minutes per game on the first Warriors championship team:

Curry
Green
Thompson
Barnes
Iguodala
Bogut
Livingston
Barbosa
Ezeli

Those 16 game players baby. Lenardo Barbosa for the **** win!