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Blue Ninja wrote:Ron Mexico wrote:Blue Ninja wrote:
Sheldon Williams and Sergio Rodriguez.
*cough* mark jackson *cough*
thought it was asking for the last ones. whoops.
larryvillains wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:If this team gets the 7th seed and avoids Clev in the playoffs then we have a pretty good chance of making some noiselarryvillains wrote:
Phil is changing the culture and making it an attractive place to get that big star next to Melo. Why would anyone want to come to this team? If we can show that KP and Grant have a future in this league, possibly trade Calderon at the deadline for anything beneficial then we actually have a chance at getting someone. Playing in New York isn't what is used to be. Good players can get endorsements and be a face in the NBA from any team nowadays. New York weather is mostly cold and the Media will destroy you whether your an all star or not, these aren't selling points without over paying. If we can grab the 8th seed and show we have a plan for the future that will attract someone for the ride. We are not winning a title this year either way.
no one in the east is that great after Clev
Chi is health dependent and has a new coach
Atl seems to be fools gold IMO
Wash and Tor are beatable
Mia scares me but only if Wade and Barsh are healthy and thats a big if
If NY meets Chi in the playoffs and we win 3 games we are a much sexier destination than this summer
Look at Mil!
Milwaukee is going to be scary defensively. The problem with this is that alot of teams will be better this year that think they can steal this 7th or 8th spot. Charlotte will be better, Orlando will be better, Pistons could go either way, Pacers will be better even with the transition.
LJ4pointplay wrote:BowlRips wrote:For anyone with ADVANCED CBA knowledge.
Given our FA commitments, is it possible a 3 team trade with Portland with a sign and trade with Lee heading to NY?
My math says no. Tommy Dee says it was on the table.
I'd have to go into the CBA and look at the exact language to figure out if it is legal, but in theory the Knicks could do a three way where they send out 21M in cap space/trade exception to Blazers (plus 7M for Calderon to Warriors or Blazers) = 28 M outgoing.
Knicks would receive Lopez and Afflalo (21M) and then an Lee (15.5M). So they would receive 36.5M back.
When you send out over 19.6M in cap space, you can receive back 125% + 100k. So that would put the Knicks at around 35.1M incoming salary alllowable. If they were to add in Early/Ledo they could probably make it work.
However, like I said, unsure off the top of my head about exact language if CBA as far as certain factors that are involved. S + T with cap space instead of players, S + T in three team deal, etc.
El Poochio wrote:IllmaticHandler wrote:Ron Mexico wrote:
bro... i'm sorry to be the one breaking this news to you. but look up some men of color scholarships and organizations. i would have just said "black" if that's what i meant. but it wasn't. i know i don't have to explain myself to you. i'm legit trying to help you understand something before you go out there in the real world and speak with ignorance to social conventions that may have passed you by.
and segregation proved "colored" was a convenient term for "ain't white." which include native americans, asians, latinos, etc.
which fountain do you think those other groups drank from in the south?
You just dont get it. Referring to non whites as colored people is dated and has been rooted in nothing but hate. Its a reason why blacks or who ever you want to called "colored" are not publicly called colored people. We are not called colored people on the news. Its a dated ass racist term.(not saying you are or thats why you used it) but as a black man, I hate being referred to as a colored man, since I know the history behind the term.
Man who cares whatever he calls it, he can call me a munchbag or a man of plunge for all I care
digitaldropoff wrote:LJ4pointplay wrote:BowlRips wrote:For anyone with ADVANCED CBA knowledge.
Given our FA commitments, is it possible a 3 team trade with Portland with a sign and trade with Lee heading to NY?
My math says no. Tommy Dee says it was on the table.
I'd have to go into the CBA and look at the exact language to figure out if it is legal, but in theory the Knicks could do a three way where they send out 21M in cap space/trade exception to Blazers (plus 7M for Calderon to Warriors or Blazers) = 28 M outgoing.
Knicks would receive Lopez and Afflalo (21M) and then an Lee (15.5M). So they would receive 36.5M back.
When you send out over 19.6M in cap space, you can receive back 125% + 100k. So that would put the Knicks at around 35.1M incoming salary alllowable. If they were to add in Early/Ledo they could probably make it work.
However, like I said, unsure off the top of my head about exact language if CBA as far as certain factors that are involved. S + T with cap space instead of players, S + T in three team deal, etc.
No, it's really not possible. The deals you just recently signed crushed any hopes of that. No one is taking on Calderon for the Knicks to get an expiring in Lee. You can't send out a worse player and contract, and get a better player and contract!
But in all seriousness.....it's impossible without a future pick or something, a reason to entice taking Jose.
Ron Mexico wrote:IllmaticHandler wrote:Ron Mexico wrote:
bro... i'm sorry to be the one breaking this news to you. but look up some men of color scholarships and organizations. i would have just said "black" if that's what i meant. but it wasn't. i know i don't have to explain myself to you. i'm legit trying to help you understand something before you go out there in the real world and speak with ignorance to social conventions that may have passed you by.
and segregation proved "colored" was a convenient term for "ain't white." which include native americans, asians, latinos, etc.
which fountain do you think those other groups drank from in the south?
You just dont get it. Referring to non whites as colored people is dated and has been rooted in nothing but hate. Its a reason why blacks or who ever you want to called "colored" are not publicly called colored people. We are not called colored people on the news. Its a dated ass racist term.(not saying you are or thats why you used it) but as a black man, I hate being referred to as a colored man, since I know the history behind the term.
you're right. i didn't get the point of your response to me. it read like you were accusing me of saying something i didn't mean.
i did not mean to offend you, or any other black man with the term "men of color." i also would never refer to anyone as "colored." that's a parallel you made, and i'm sorry it took you there, and to the point of being offended.
would you rather i said "minority" or "non-white?" i'm essentially grasping at terms to speak of a cultural thing more than a racial one. because culturally, white men have historically exalted skinny women, and other groups have beautified "thick" women, so to speak. that's really what i was getting at.
and yes, we have greatly digressed from the subject of basketball because we were looking at and discussing... asses on women.
ozwizard8 wrote:larryvillains wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:If this team gets the 7th seed and avoids Clev in the playoffs then we have a pretty good chance of making some noise
no one in the east is that great after Clev
Chi is health dependent and has a new coach
Atl seems to be fools gold IMO
Wash and Tor are beatable
Mia scares me but only if Wade and Barsh are healthy and thats a big if
If NY meets Chi in the playoffs and we win 3 games we are a much sexier destination than this summer
Look at Mil!
Milwaukee is going to be scary defensively. The problem with this is that alot of teams will be better this year that think they can steal this 7th or 8th spot. Charlotte will be better, Orlando will be better, Pistons could go either way, Pacers will be better even with the transition.
How can every team gets better?
Pacers are certainly worser.
They got 3 similar sg players:m.ellis,stuckey,p.george
They lost their 2 starter big man. Myles turners body isnt ready for nba.
I dont think they can make playoffs.
Bucks got better just by aging. I dont think monroe is important addition. He was loser in detroit anyway.
Orlando has some young players but thats it. Cj watson, hezonja wont change it for this year.
Detroit looks better.
Raptors playoffs was so bad it was like our 12~13 season. I dont think they'll recover from that playoff sweep. They wont be top 4 for sure. Maybe 7~8.
Celtics didnt add much piece. Got amir, lost bass. Our squad is better imo.
Nets didnt get better. They may trade JJ.
76ers got better but theyre tanking.
I think knicks have 7th best squad in East.
ozwizard8 wrote:larryvillains wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:If this team gets the 7th seed and avoids Clev in the playoffs then we have a pretty good chance of making some noise
no one in the east is that great after Clev
Chi is health dependent and has a new coach
Atl seems to be fools gold IMO
Wash and Tor are beatable
Mia scares me but only if Wade and Barsh are healthy and thats a big if
If NY meets Chi in the playoffs and we win 3 games we are a much sexier destination than this summer
Look at Mil!
Milwaukee is going to be scary defensively. The problem with this is that alot of teams will be better this year that think they can steal this 7th or 8th spot. Charlotte will be better, Orlando will be better, Pistons could go either way, Pacers will be better even with the transition.
How can every team gets better?
Pacers are certainly worser.
They got 3 similar sg players:m.ellis,stuckey,p.george
They lost their 2 starter big man. Myles turners body isnt ready for nba.
I dont think they can make playoffs.
Bucks got better just by aging. I dont think monroe is important addition. He was loser in detroit anyway.
Orlando has some young players but thats it. Cj watson, hezonja wont change it for this year.
Detroit looks better.
Raptors playoffs was so bad it was like our 12~13 season. I dont think they'll recover from that playoff sweep. They wont be top 4 for sure. Maybe 7~8.
Celtics didnt add much piece. Got amir, lost bass. Our squad is better imo.
Nets didnt get better. They may trade JJ.
76ers got better but theyre tanking.
I think knicks have 7th best squad in East.
larryvillains wrote:ozwizard8 wrote:larryvillains wrote:
Milwaukee is going to be scary defensively. The problem with this is that alot of teams will be better this year that think they can steal this 7th or 8th spot. Charlotte will be better, Orlando will be better, Pistons could go either way, Pacers will be better even with the transition.
How can every team gets better?
Pacers are certainly worser.
They got 3 similar sg players:m.ellis,stuckey,p.george
They lost their 2 starter big man. Myles turners body isnt ready for nba.
I dont think they can make playoffs.
Bucks got better just by aging. I dont think monroe is important addition. He was loser in detroit anyway.
Orlando has some young players but thats it. Cj watson, hezonja wont change it for this year.
Detroit looks better.
Raptors playoffs was so bad it was like our 12~13 season. I dont think they'll recover from that playoff sweep. They wont be top 4 for sure. Maybe 7~8.
Celtics didnt add much piece. Got amir, lost bass. Our squad is better imo.
Nets didnt get better. They may trade JJ.
76ers got better but theyre tanking.
I think knicks have 7th best squad in East.
Miami will make the playoffs.
We would need to be better than the celtics, pistons, hornets, pacers/nets.
Its going to be close. Obviously injuries will happen that will change everything.
LJ4pointplay wrote:digitaldropoff wrote:LJ4pointplay wrote:
I'd have to go into the CBA and look at the exact language to figure out if it is legal, but in theory the Knicks could do a three way where they send out 21M in cap space/trade exception to Blazers (plus 7M for Calderon to Warriors or Blazers) = 28 M outgoing.
Knicks would receive Lopez and Afflalo (21M) and then an Lee (15.5M). So they would receive 36.5M back.
When you send out over 19.6M in cap space, you can receive back 125% + 100k. So that would put the Knicks at around 35.1M incoming salary alllowable. If they were to add in Early/Ledo they could probably make it work.
However, like I said, unsure off the top of my head about exact language if CBA as far as certain factors that are involved. S + T with cap space instead of players, S + T in three team deal, etc.
No, it's really not possible. The deals you just recently signed crushed any hopes of that. No one is taking on Calderon for the Knicks to get an expiring in Lee. You can't send out a worse player and contract, and get a better player and contract!
But in all seriousness.....it's impossible without a future pick or something, a reason to entice taking Jose.
huh? We are talking about whether it is possible under the cap. Incentive has NOTHING to do with it.
Also, worst contract? That is in the eye of the beholder because Calderon is owed LESS money than Lee over the life of their remaining contracts.
LJ4pointplay wrote:BowlRips wrote:For anyone with ADVANCED CBA knowledge.
Given our FA commitments, is it possible a 3 team trade with Portland with a sign and trade with Lee heading to NY?
My math says no. Tommy Dee says it was on the table.
I'd have to go into the CBA and look at the exact language to figure out if it is legal, but in theory the Knicks could do a three way where they send out 21M in cap space/trade exception to Blazers (plus 7M for Calderon to Warriors or Blazers) = 28 M outgoing.
Knicks would receive Lopez and Afflalo (21M) and then an Lee (15.5M). So they would receive 36.5M back.
When you send out over 19.6M in cap space, you can receive back 125% + 100k. So that would put the Knicks at around 35.1M incoming salary alllowable. If they were to add in Early/Ledo they could probably make it work.
However, like I said, unsure off the top of my head about exact language if CBA as far as certain factors that are involved. S + T with cap space instead of players, S + T in three team deal, etc.
knickstape21 wrote:Honestly, I believe our best chance of the playoffs is winning the division.
Knicks
Raptors
Nets
Celtics
76ers
It's definitely attainable and should be one of our goals for the season.
Carl_Karlson wrote:Concrete Jungle wrote:I been waiting for a legit #13 in a while, such a great Point Guard number.
Good job getting this thread back on track CJ
I like Grant using #13. It shows he's not superstitious and he's not afraid of shyt!
digitaldropoff wrote:
It's only possible under the cap if there's incentive to do so! Why would someone take on two years of Calderon without some sort of extra piece? You know, like in most lopsided trades.....the other team has to make it worth their while!
And yes....Jose's contract is worse for a couple of reasons. An expiring is always worth more than a multi year deal. David Lee is a better, younger, and more durable player. And GM's don't care about price as long as it fits the cap rules, the billionaire owners don't care if they are paying Lee for 15.5 for one year or Calderon for 14 and change......as long as they are the better team. And newsflash....you are likely a better if you have David Lee over Jose Calderon.
Concrete Jungle wrote:LJ4pointplay wrote:BowlRips wrote:For anyone with ADVANCED CBA knowledge.
Given our FA commitments, is it possible a 3 team trade with Portland with a sign and trade with Lee heading to NY?
My math says no. Tommy Dee says it was on the table.
I'd have to go into the CBA and look at the exact language to figure out if it is legal, but in theory the Knicks could do a three way where they send out 21M in cap space/trade exception to Blazers (plus 7M for Calderon to Warriors or Blazers) = 28 M outgoing.
Knicks would receive Lopez and Afflalo (21M) and then an Lee (15.5M). So they would receive 36.5M back.
When you send out over 19.6M in cap space, you can receive back 125% + 100k. So that would put the Knicks at around 35.1M incoming salary alllowable. If they were to add in Early/Ledo they could probably make it work.
However, like I said, unsure off the top of my head about exact language if CBA as far as certain factors that are involved. S + T with cap space instead of players, S + T in three team deal, etc.
isn't it 150% now?
Ron Mexico wrote:Blue Ninja wrote:Ron Mexico wrote:
*cough* mark jackson *cough*
thought it was asking for the last ones. whoops.
i see. yep. i think those would be the ones.
didn't malik rose wear 13 for us too?