Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

SashAlex · Post #1381 » by **SashAlex** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:34 pm

humblebum wrote:People who think Harden was somehow to blame for what happened must be either blind or Lakers fans, which, in my experience are similar conditions (Celtics fan... hehehe). Harden was going to accept the inbound pass and Artest went insane asylum and tried to knock Harden out. Leave the naivete at home, Artest is a complete nutjob and should be done for the season and playoffs for this type of craziness based on his track record and the violence of this particular act.

Pure Celtic logic.

When you're getting ready and want to get a pass from inbounds, you're getting away from opposite players to be open to receive the ball with no pressing. I didn't say it's Harden's fault. It's Artest's. What I meant is that, considering it was Harden, knowing that he loves to get in the people's way, like last year vs Dallas with Chandler, he deserved it in a way. It's pure Artest's falut. But because it was Harden, and clearly seeing that he was slightly pushing Artest to provoke him, he might deserved that.

I expect 3-5 games of suspension to MWP.

Fantaxp7 · Post #1382 » by **Fantaxp7** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:37 pm

SashAlex wrote:
humblebum wrote:People who think Harden was somehow to blame for what happened must be either blind or Lakers fans, which, in my experience are similar conditions (Celtics fan... hehehe). Harden was going to accept the inbound pass and Artest went insane asylum and tried to knock Harden out. Leave the naivete at home, Artest is a complete nutjob and should be done for the season and playoffs for this type of craziness based on his track record and the violence of this particular act.

Pure Celtic logic.

When you're getting ready and want to get a pass from inbounds, you're getting away from opposite players to be open to receive the ball with no pressing. I didn't say it's Harden's fault. It's Artest's. What I meant is that, considering it was Harden, knowing that he loves to get in the people's way, like last year vs Dallas with Chandler, he deserved it in a way. It's pure Artest's falut. But because it was Harden, and clearly seeing that he was slightly pushing Artest to provoke him, he might deserved that.

I expect 3-5 games of suspension to MWP.

Yea...except for the part where many players today will make contact with the defender of the inbound pass and cut away so they can't defend them on the pass....

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #1383 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:37 pm

choppermagic wrote:a suspension is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Elbows get usually 1-2 games, but im guessing the league will come down harder on MWP.

Although all those people referring to MWP's "history", his history also includes the NBA Citizenship Award and tons of mental health awareness charity work. You cant just take one part of a person's past and ignore the more recent good work he's done too.

People are going to think that the good work he did was a dog and pony show and that Artest showed his true colors yesterday and never really changed to begin with. Artest undid all those years of goodwill in about 5 seconds.

doctorfunk · Post #1384 » by **doctorfunk** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:45 pm

Fantaxp7 wrote:Yea...except for the part where many players today will make contact with the defender of the inbound pass and cut away so they can't defend them on the pass....

today and in the past as well, nothing wrong with making a little contact to get open

but it's clearly not the case here;

- Artest doesn't defend the passer nor any of potential receivers, he just celebrates and runs back, Harden instead of going to either side and getting open, gets in his space. Harden wanted to provoke something on that play and succeeded, no doubt. However as i said artest should still be punished for that elbow

Jsun947 · Post #1385 » by **Jsun947** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Artest needs to be suspended for a very, very long time or flat out removed from the NBA at this point.

Otherwise what's to stop a 11th guy off the bench from doing the same thing to Kobe? I'm sure of the lakers lost Kobe for the playoffs or even worse his career this would be a totally different situation even though it's the same crime.

Fantaxp7 · Post #1386 » by **Fantaxp7** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:55 pm

doctorfunk wrote:
Fantaxp7 wrote:Yea...except for the part where many players today will make contact with the defender of the inbound pass and cut away so they can't defend them on the pass....

today and in the past as well, nothing wrong with making a little contact to get open

but it's clearly not the case here;

- Artest doesn't defend the passer nor any of potential receivers, he just celebrates and runs back, Harden instead of going to either side and getting open, gets in his space. Harden wanted to provoke something on that play and succeeded, no doubt. However as i said artest should still be punished for that elbow

You could be right, I've only seen the replay and not anything leading up to it. But at the same time given Artest's "History of Violence" (could make a very easy photoshop...) I think if Harden explained it this way anyone would believe it.

Also I don't particularly have anything against Harden if he was purposely brushing up against Artest to get under his skin. Artest does this very well, like against Paul Pierce...

theokie · Post #1387 » by **theokie** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:56 pm

Its Hardens fault. Lakers fans are right. Lets move on.

Thundestruck · Post #1388 » by **Thundestruck** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:00 pm

Could you imagine the Laker outrage if the same play happened but Perk threw an elbow at Kobe? Would they be saying it was Kobe's fault?

BBgun · Post #1389 » by **BBgun** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:03 pm

For those arguing on the light side of things punishment wise...WTF does a 1 to 2 game suspension do though from Stern's POV?

"Oh Ron, or should I say METTA (love the name change BTW)...you basically assaulted another player. But its OK, he bumped into you while celebrating, so its kind of his fault. Instead of just brushing him aside with a shoulder, you wind up your elbow and clock him in the head sending him flying to the floor. Understandable. Still though, there are consequences for your actions so I'm going to have to suspend you for the most important game of the season...the SACRAMENTO KINGS. Hopefully missing the last meaningless regular season game should teach you a valuable lesson about being a violent maniac on the court. Now you and Demarcus Cousins can't bark at eachother like rabid dogs. Don't worry though, you'll be back for the games that actually matter with nothing to answer for. I'm not going to take into consideration the 11 other times you've been suspended for misconduct including the time you singlehandedly ruined the league in 04...because that was so totally 8 years ago and you've helped underprivledged children since then. Just don't do it again OK? Because then you'll have to miss AT LEAST two games!"

JellosJigglin · Post #1390 » by **JellosJigglin** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:07 pm

Thundestruck wrote:Could you imagine the Laker outrage if the same play happened but Perk threw an elbow at Kobe? Would they be saying it was Kobe's fault?

We are used to seeing dirty plays on Kobe with little or no punishment. It would just be the latest.

blumeany · Post #1391 » by **blumeany** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:08 pm

There's no doubt he should be banned. Sorry, the elbow was clearly pre-meditated and extremely violent. The dude is obviously A. Nuts and B. Not remorseful of any of the previous crazy acts he had done. You let this guy continue to play and someone else will get hurt. It's irresponsible of the league to let this crazy idiot continue to play.

inquisitive · Post #1392 » by **inquisitive** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:09 pm

some local radio dj is saying that artest's career could be over from his sources in NYC...interesting.

TimoCruz · Post #1393 » by **TimoCruz** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:12 pm

If the league expels MWP from the league, will he not be on Lakers books anymore?

BBgun · Post #1394 » by **BBgun** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:12 pm

inquisitive wrote:some local radio dj is saying that artest's career could be over from his sources in NYC...interesting.

wow. See, even I think thats a bit much but there is no doubt Stern is besides himself. And again...this comes in the wake of: The recent hockey suspensions, the NFL bounty scandal and the "concussion era" of sports. Very much anticipating Mr Commish's response.

Stills12 · Post #1395 » by **Stills12** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:17 pm

Banning is too much. 15-20 games suspension with a big fine should do the job. Heck make it 25 games if you really want to send a strong message.

edit again: Those games shouldn't include the post season, considering Ron's history and everything games missed in post season should be separate. Maybe something like 1st round of playoffs and 20 regular season games :dontknow:

LApwnd · Post #1396 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:17 pm

blumeany wrote:There's no doubt he should be banned. Sorry, the elbow was clearly pre-meditated and extremely violent. The dude is obviously A. Nuts and B. Not remorseful of any of the previous crazy acts he had done. You let this guy continue to play and someone else will get hurt. It's irresponsible of the league to let this crazy idiot continue to play.

pre-mediated? wtf, what he did was wrong but it happened spur of the moment, learn what "pre-mediated" means, pre-mediated would mean he went looking for Harden or any OKC player to do that too, Harden ran into him

TheXFactor · Post #1397 » by **TheXFactor** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:18 pm

Nowascki wrote:Harden didn't do anything. It was Artest going in his direction and hitting him.

He jumped into Peace to disrupt his king kong celebration. Look at the tape, jumps to the side to get in Peace way.

Harden is know for being a smack talker and instigator.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #1398 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:19 pm

inquisitive wrote:some local radio dj is saying that artest's career could be over from his sources in NYC...interesting.

Not sure how true that persons source is but it is no doubt interesting. At what point does Artest run out of chances? Stern's multiple suspensions have not worked so he may be starting to run out of options.

Still Desi wrote:Banning is too much. 15-20 games suspension with a big fine should do the job. Heck make it 25 games if you really want to send a strong message.

No it won't. Artest was suspended for 86 games and lost 5m in salary and he is still a thug. 20 games and fine won't do a thing to change him. What happens if Artest comes back say next season, elbows someone then ends their career? Can't the the NBA be sued by the player for for letting Artest back in the floor? (keep in mind former NFL players have started to sue the NFL) That is what Stern is up against. Artest on the floor is a liability to the NBA and the opposing team.

JellosJigglin · Post #1399 » by **JellosJigglin** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:21 pm

inquisitive wrote:some local radio dj is saying that artest's career could be over from his sources in NYC...interesting.

lol @ nyc

LApwnd · Post #1400 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:22 pm

JellosJigglin wrote:
inquisitive wrote:some local radio dj is saying that artest's career could be over from his sources in NYC...interesting.

lol @ nyc

I wouldn't laugh at that, considering that Det incident and the league hate for Lakers, I would not be shocked at all if he is suspended for all of this yr and some of next.