The TJ Warren Thread!

[Flying Colors]

If Suns were trading Nash now Lakers would get picks from them.

Damn, don't do them like that.

[phnart]

Bye bye TJ. Thanks for some fun memories and a load of head (injury) scratching, WTF moments.

[lilfishi22]

Never enjoyed watching the guy play. Sour puss look constantly and he fell to the floor almost time he drove to the basket.

Still though a better than average player on an even better contract who really helped get the few wins the Suns had the past couple of years.

Playing aesthetics aside, he had more value than salary dump which required us to throw in a good 2nd.

[bigfoot]

Best thing I will remember about TJ is the rip girlfriend story

[LukasBMW]

I thought we were clearing cap space until we traded for Baynes.

I think the bottom line is that $arver made a commitment to pay Booker, Oubre, and soon Ayton.

He (being the cheap ass clown that he is) decided that it didn't make sense to pay both Oubre and TJ, so he traded TJ away for free. Why have two starting small forwards? Not like we could use multiple wings with firepower in today's NBA.

Then (in a pathetic attempt to be competitive) instructed James Jones to fill out the roster with old rookies (who might contribute right away) and vets on reasonable contracts.

Sarver is trying to put a winning team together on a tight budget. He's paying Booker and Oubre. He's budgeting for Ayton. He snagged Saric (rookie deal) and will spend a little (but not a lot) of money to bring in a vet PG.

Then he will rely on Bridges (rookie deal), Baynes (decent contract), and our new draft picks (rookie deals) to shore up the bench.

It would not surprise me one bit if DLO wants to come here AND we could clear room for him by stretching Bumpy, but Sarver won't do it because he does not want to pay DLO.

[lilfishi22]

I thought we were clearing cap space until we traded for Baynes.

I think the bottom line is that $arver made a commitment to pay Booker, Oubre, and soon Ayton.

He (being the cheap ass clown that he is) decided that it didn't make sense to pay both Oubre and TJ, so he traded TJ away for free. Why have two starting small forwards? Not like we could use multiple wings with firepower in today's NBA.

Then (in a pathetic attempt to be competitive) instructed James Jones to fill out the roster with old rookies (who might contribute right away) and vets on reasonable contracts.

Sarver is trying to put a winning team together on a tight budget. He's paying Booker and Oubre. He's budgeting for Ayton. He snagged Saric (rookie deal) and will spend a little (but not a lot) of money to bring in a vet PG.

Then he will rely on Bridges (rookie deal), Baynes (decent contract), and our new draft picks (rookie deals) to shore up the bench.

It would not surprise me one bit if DLO wants to come here AND we could clear room for him by stretching Bumpy, but Sarver won't do it because he does not want to pay DLO.

In $arver's defense, I doubt the salary dump was directed by him. I don't think it was because he felt cheap that he didn't want to pay both guys. This has all the hallmarks of a new front office and new coaching regime change and just going in a different direction. I've read this term quite a fair bit the past few days and that's "bad asset management" and I really do think that's exactly what these bumbles have all been about.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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[LukasBMW]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

[lilfishi22]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

+1

And that #32 was flipped anyway by Indy so clearly they didn't need to get the deal done before the draft

Bad Asset Management

[WeekapaugGroove]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

+1

And that #32 was flipped anyway by Indy so clearly they didn't need to get the deal done before the draft

Bad Asset Management

Yeah it could be. Depends what kind of play they are planning for early free agency. If they needed the space for something I get it but I understand the wait and see if you can move him to a space team that loses out on their top targets.

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[MathiasPW]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

Yeah that why I'm waiting to see what they do before judging the timing. If they needed the space to make an agressive pitch to someone early in FA I get the urgency to move that money now vs mid July when the market shakes out.

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[MathiasPW]

There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

Yeah that why I'm waiting to see what they do before judging the timing. If they needed the space to make an agressive pitch to someone early in FA I get the urgency to move that money now vs mid July when the market shakes out.

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It's gonna be D'Lo. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It makes too much sense. And I like it.

[bwgood77]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

Not really, with the moratorium they could have agreed to someone and then found a trade for him afterwards if they did get an agreement. Anyway, they used most of the cap space cleared already Part of their big plan was Baynes.

As has been mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if he was ready to move on after the ever changing role though. Many players have seemed to want to move on after 4-5 years in Phx in the last 5-6 years. But more value very likely could have been had a couple weeks later. But it's water under the bridge at this point.

[MathiasPW]

There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

Not really, with the moratorium they could have agreed to someone and then found a trade for him afterwards if they did get an agreement. Anyway, they used most of the cap space cleared already Part of their big plan was Baynes.

As has been mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if he was ready to move on after the ever changing role though. Many players have seemed to want to move on after 4-5 years in Phx in the last 5-6 years. But more value very likely could have been had a couple weeks later. But it's water under the bridge at this point.

Care to explain a bit more? I was under the impression that you'd need to have the cap already cleared before making offers in FA.

[Saberestar]

Did TJ want to be in Phoenix anymore? Was he going to be happy coming off the bench getting spot minutes 3rd in the pecking order at SF behind Bridges and Oubre and some spot minutes at PF but maybe not so much after sign another vet backup there?

We've seen some bad situations where they have held on to guys too long waiting for 'fair' value in a trade.

Whether you agree with their decision or not they chose the other forwards over him and moved on. Simple as that really.

Without a path for him to play 30 minutes a night it was best for both sides to move on.

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There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

I do not know why people think that we are gonna spend all our cap space or go even over the cap. Like it is a must...come on.

We are talking about Sarver here, we usually have a low salary cap, and I am gonna expect the same **** this season.

We probably are gonna hear that we will have "cap flexibility" just signing Oubre (as a big star FA acquisition) and completing the roster with a couple of cheap veterans.

Just that...Warren was traded to avoid a high salary roster IMO.

We will see.

[bwgood77]

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

Not really, with the moratorium they could have agreed to someone and then found a trade for him afterwards if they did get an agreement. Anyway, they used most of the cap space cleared already Part of their big plan was Baynes.

As has been mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if he was ready to move on after the ever changing role though. Many players have seemed to want to move on after 4-5 years in Phx in the last 5-6 years. But more value very likely could have been had a couple weeks later. But it's water under the bridge at this point.

Care to explain a bit more? I was under the impression that you'd need to have the cap already cleared before making offers in FA.

You can talk to free agents June 30th at 6 pm and it goes for 7 days to July 6th. If they got verbal agreement on someone they could get verbal agreement on a trade after that and he could sign as soon as the trade goes through on July 6th. By then, other teams would know which of the bigger free agents were going where (most likely) and could go to option 2 or 3. And with so many teams with cap space, some players of equal on court value will likely get quite a bit more money than TJ and some teams would likely prefer to take on his reasonable contract instead.

[bwgood77]

There was no rush to trade him.

We should have traded him AFTER we resigned Oubre.

It's not like we got a good return for TJ. We lost an asset trading him away for nothing.

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

I do not know why people think that we are gonna spend all our cap space or go even over the cap. Like it is a must...come on.

We are talking about Sarver here, we usually have a low salary cap, and I am gonna expect the same **** this season.

We probably are gonna hear that we will have "cap flexibility" just signing Oubre (as a big star FA acquisition) and completing the roster with a couple of cheap veterans.

Just that...Warren was traded to avoid a high salary roster IMO.

We will see.

If we don't use our cap space and sign Oubre to a contract at much more than his cap hold, it won't leave us with much flexibility. We have, what, $14 million or something? If we use half of that, but sign Oubre to $15 million, it would leave us with less than $2 million in cap space.

[bigfoot]

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

I do not know why people think that we are gonna spend all our cap space or go even over the cap. Like it is a must...come on.

We are talking about Sarver here, we usually have a low salary cap, and I am gonna expect the same **** this season.

We probably are gonna hear that we will have "cap flexibility" just signing Oubre (as a big star FA acquisition) and completing the roster with a couple of cheap veterans.

Just that...Warren was traded to avoid a high salary roster IMO.

We will see.

If we don't use our cap space and sign Oubre to a contract at much more than his cap hold, it won't leave us with much flexibility. We have, what, $14 million or something? If we use half of that, but sign Oubre to $15 million, it would leave us with less than $2 million in cap space.

Wouldn't signing a $7M vet and then inking Oubre at $15M put us $8M over the cap???

Edit: Nevermind, then Oubre's $9M cap hold comes off the books

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

There was rush to trade him. They wanted to clear him for space BEFORE FA starts, and draft night is the best chance to do that.

Trading him later would have been better to get more value, but would have ruined whatever big thing they are hoping to do on Day 1 of Free Agency.

I do not know why people think that we are gonna spend all our cap space or go even over the cap. Like it is a must...come on.

We are talking about Sarver here, we usually have a low salary cap, and I am gonna expect the same **** this season.

We probably are gonna hear that we will have "cap flexibility" just signing Oubre (as a big star FA acquisition) and completing the roster with a couple of cheap veterans.

Just that...Warren was traded to avoid a high salary roster IMO.

We will see.

If we don't use our cap space and sign Oubre to a contract at much more than his cap hold, it won't leave us with much flexibility. We have, what, $14 million or something? If we use half of that, but sign Oubre to $15 million, it would leave us with less than $2 million in cap space.

We can (and would) agree to a deal and then execute later, once free agency has concluded. Much like with DLo, were we to go after him: we would agree to a deal and then clear the cap space.