76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[Murray_17]

So, if we're honest, If Siakam can't shot, what's the difference between what he can give us and what Tobias give us?

In fact if you replace Tobias with Siakam our spacing becomes worse, is easier to defend the paint and you force Joel to take more 3s.

I just don't see it.

Edit: also we're assuming Nurse can recruit Siakam or OG with no basis at all. In fact, given how he left the Raptors and his reported relation with the team when he left i would assume Nurse is a handicap in this trade.

[Zumramania]

Siakam can make layups without being blocked every time, he is probably not an offensive zero in the second round of the playoffs.
I think that making comparisons within the regular season framework does not make sense here because Tobias is so much worse against good teams in the playoffs than he is in the regular season and his offensive options there become much more limited. We should ask ourselves how would Siakam match up against the Bucks, the Celtics and the Heat in the playoffs and could he help us get over that hump.
Melton is also not good for the playoffs as a starter - terrible dribbling for a guard, cannot create his own shot, has problems with driving to the rim.
We need an upgrade there as well.

[mjkvol]

I'm not saying that Siakam is the answer, but at some point the idea of gauging the value of Tobias by what he does in ordinary regular season games instead of how ineffective he has historically been against good teams and in tough playoff situations has to stop.

As Zumramania just pointed out, any Tobias trade option should be considered with the playoffs in mind, and nothing else. I'm not the biggest fan of Siakam, but I have little doubt he would be of far greater value in a playoff series against BOS or MIL than Tobias, and that should be the criteria in judging a trade.

[M2J]

I think I'd prefer Siakam to Murray. Definitely Grant.

All of these guys are going to cost more draft capital than Zach, but I'm still hoping they can get Zach plus Caruso in a Tobi trade.

But onto Murray. Good contract. I like that he's not afraid to shoot, but he'll move Maxey off the ball more. I don't really care, because fortunately Maxey is so versatile that he's elite off the ball. But they need to keep Maxey on the move in the offense and while he won't get the most touches he should be the first pass everyone looks for.... Because his threat opens up everything for everyone with amazing spacing and attention.

As much as a supporter of Doc's accomplishments with this team, I hated the fact that when Harden was out, Maxey was on the move... But his movement wasn't implemented into the offense with Harden and Joel. Barely implemented into the Maxey centric bench. That always seemed crystal clear to me, as something that they needed, but not to him. That along with letting Maxey bring it up the court for early offense opportunities before getting it to Harden. Hope that getting another primary ball handler that isn't great without it doesn't affect his movement.

[Ben]

Between the stats and reading Hawks fans evaluation on him, it sounds like Murray’s defensive reputation is better than the actual defense. Hunts steals which exposes the defense when it fails. Seems like he’s been getting cooked fairly often this year.

The Hawks are 27th in defensive rating and they had at least an average defense in the past with Trae there, so yeah, most likely Murray lives from his defensive reputation more than what he brings.

I will not trade for Dejounte alone, but if it's something like Tobias/some combination of expiring for Dejounte AND Bogdan i might do it.

I'd be interested in trading just for Bogdanović, if Atlanta really starts selling off assets.

[Iverson Armband]

So, if we're honest, If Siakam can't shot, what's the difference between what he can give us and what Tobias give us?

In fact if you replace Tobias with Siakam our spacing becomes worse, is easier to defend the paint and you force Joel to take more 3s.

I just don't see it.

Edit: also we're assuming Nurse can recruit Siakam or OG with no basis at all. In fact, given how he left the Raptors and his reported relation with the team when he left i would assume Nurse is a handicap in this trade.

Are you serious? One player has made all-NBA teams, along with being a starter and key player on a team that won a title. The other can’t sniff an ASG and has notoriously wilted as a starter on a team that chokes every year in the playoffs..

You don’t have to like Siakum but the two players aren’t even the same stratosphere

[ProcessDoctor]

Harris/Korkmaz/2026 OKC 1st/2028 LAC 1st/2029 PHI 1st for Markannen/Clarkson


Maxey/Clarkson/Beverley
Melton/Oubre/Springer
Batum/Morris/House
Lauri/Covington/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

[zaz102]

So, if we're honest, If Siakam can't shot, what's the difference between what he can give us and what Tobias give us?

In fact if you replace Tobias with Siakam our spacing becomes worse, is easier to defend the paint and you force Joel to take more 3s.

I just don't see it.

Edit: also we're assuming Nurse can recruit Siakam or OG with no basis at all. In fact, given how he left the Raptors and his reported relation with the team when he left i would assume Nurse is a handicap in this trade.

Are you serious? One player has made all-NBA teams, along with being a starter and key player on a team that won a title. The other can’t sniff an ASG and has notoriously wilted as a starter on a team that chokes every year in the playoffs..

You don’t have to like Siakum but the two players aren’t even the same stratosphere

You could say the same about OG, right? I don't think he was in AS and he was out that year, and I don't think they've won anything with him.

[Murray_17]

Are you serious? One player has made all-NBA teams, along with being a starter and key player on a team that won a title. The other can’t sniff an ASG and has notoriously wilted as a starter on a team that chokes every year in the playoffs..

You don’t have to like Siakum but the two players aren’t even the same stratosphere

I would take 2021-2022 Siakam on a heart beat but outside of that their stats look more similar than what you seem to think. And again even if he was super great, we don't need another big who attacks the paint, we have spent 5 years now asking for Tobias to take more 3s.

Then you have the playoff production of both...

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/pascal-siakam-playoff-ts
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tobias-harris-playoff-ts

A lot of the difference is probably role, but Siakam wasn't great in the playoffs even on the championship year.

Siakam can make layups without being blocked every time, he is probably not an offensive zero in the second round of the playoffs.
I think that making comparisons within the regular season framework does not make sense here because Tobias is so much worse against good teams in the playoffs than he is in the regular season and his offensive options there become much more limited. We should ask ourselves how would Siakam match up against the Bucks, the Celtics and the Heat in the playoffs and could he help us get over that hump.
Melton is also not good for the playoffs as a starter - terrible dribbling for a guard, cannot create his own shot, has problems with driving to the rim.
We need an upgrade there as well.

Looking at the playoff data my answer would be no, he cannot help us get over that hump

[the_process]

Harris/Korkmaz/2026 OKC 1st/2028 LAC 1st/2029 PHI 1st for Markannen/Clarkson


Maxey/Clarkson/Beverley
Melton/Oubre/Springer
Batum/Morris/House
Lauri/Covington/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

Utah wants more for Lauri apparently.

[76ciology]

What sets Siakam apart from Tobi? Siakam showcased his versatility as a key role player playing alongside multiple bigs during the 2019 championship run and later demonstrated his ability as the primary option for the Raptors from 2021 to 2023. Siakam excels as the primary option due to his size, mobility, and skillset, creating more mismatches compared to Tobi.

Embiid's previous pairing with a non-floor spacer like Ben. Siakam has successfully played alongside various bigs, including Gasol, Siakam, and Poetl. Coach Nurse's strength lies in managing line-ups with multiple bigs or lengthy players.

In terms of matchups, facing teams like the Celtics and Bucks, known for their size with players like Brolo-Giannis or Porzingis-Al, poses a challenge. However, countering them with Embiid and a power forward of Klay Thompson's size is not a strategic move.

[76ciology]

Tobi is asked to take more 3s because..

you want him to take more mid range shots?

Can he finish around the paint against a defender around the rim? A lob threat?

Then for sure he has to take those 3s.

[Murray_17]

What sets Siakam apart from Tobi? Siakam showcased his versatility as a key role player playing alongside multiple bigs during the 2019 championship run and later demonstrated his ability as the primary option for the Raptors from 2021 to 2023. Siakam excels as the primary option due to his size, mobility, and skillset, creating more mismatches compared to Tobi.

He was a decent first option but "excels" is laughable, as a first option he had a great year the bubble season and then he stinked all over the playoff and great but lesser season in 2021-2022.

The Raptors have regressed each season since the championship year with basically the same core of players.

His playoff numbers are worse than Tobias as i already posted

Embiid's previous pairing with a non-floor spacer like Ben. Siakam has successfully played alongside various bigs, including Gasol, Siakam, and Poetl. Coach Nurse's strength lies in managing line-ups with multiple bigs or lengthy players.

The Raptors have one of the worst halfcourt offenses this season and last season too. In part because they have a bunch of inside guys and zero spacing.

Gasol/Ibaka also played as stretch 5, so i don't get your point about playing with various bigs,

In terms of matchups, facing teams like the Celtics and Bucks, known for their size with players like Brolo-Giannis or Porzingis-Al, poses a challenge. However, countering them with Embiid and a power forward of Klay Thompson's size is not a strategic move.

Is Pascal a drastical better defender than Tobias... Serious question

Tobi is asked to take more 3s because..

you want him to take more mid range shots?

Can he finish around the paint against a defender around the rim? A lob threat?

Then for sure he has to take those 3s.

Part of the problem is that in theory when the Tobias trade was made he was envisioned as a stretch PF who could space for Joel/Ben, that never happened because Tobias reverted to his normal post ups instead of taking 5-6 3s a game which we needed.

Pascal is not changing that.

Again, not diminishin Pascal as a player i just don't understand what the fit is.

[M2J]

What sets Siakam apart from Tobi? Siakam showcased his versatility as a key role player playing alongside multiple bigs during the 2019 championship run and later demonstrated his ability as the primary option for the Raptors from 2021 to 2023. Siakam excels as the primary option due to his size, mobility, and skillset, creating more mismatches compared to Tobi.

He was a decent first option but "excels" is laughable, as a first option he had a great year the bubble season and then he stinked all over the playoff and great but lesser season in 2021-2022.

The Raptors have regressed each season since the championship year with basically the same core of players.

His playoff numbers are worse than Tobias as i already posted

Embiid's previous pairing with a non-floor spacer like Ben. Siakam has successfully played alongside various bigs, including Gasol, Siakam, and Poetl. Coach Nurse's strength lies in managing line-ups with multiple bigs or lengthy players.

The Raptors have one of the worst halfcourt offenses this season and last season too. In part because they have a bunch of inside guys and zero spacing.

Gasol/Ibaka also played as stretch 5, so i don't get your point about playing with various bigs,

In terms of matchups, facing teams like the Celtics and Bucks, known for their size with players like Brolo-Giannis or Porzingis-Al, poses a challenge. However, countering them with Embiid and a power forward of Klay Thompson's size is not a strategic move.

Is Pascal a drastical better defender than Tobias... Serious question

Tobi is asked to take more 3s because..

you want him to take more mid range shots?

Can he finish around the paint against a defender around the rim? A lob threat?

Then for sure he has to take those 3s.

Part of the problem is that in theory when the Tobias trade was made he was envisioned as a stretch PF who could space for Joel/Ben, that never happened because Tobias reverted to his normal post ups instead of taking 5-6 3s a game which we needed.

Pascal is not changing that.

Again, not diminishin Pascal as a player i just don't understand what the fit is.

I do believe Pascal is, and can be an even better defender than Tobi. Tobi gets lost on rotations a lot and Pascal is a good team defender, and could handle the assignments in front of him as well or better if given a 3rd or 4th option role.

Tobias has become a one or the other player. Doesn't play defense if asked to perform offensively. Won't take volume shots.

The reason you get Siakam is while he won't be a volume spacer. He's a guy that can score and create in a phone booth as the raptors suck at shooting and have for a while. He's a wonky fit offensively, but if he commits to at least taking 3s, and I don't think he has a problem doing it.... Can give you nights like Oubre does, while also carrying your bench offense and take advantage of the attention that both Maxey and Joel get with or without the ball

[Sixerscan]

Is there any particular reason why Siakam went from a decent 3 point shooter for several years to awful? It’s strange.

[zaz102]

Is there any particular reason why Siakam went from a decent 3 point shooter for several years to awful? It’s strange.

Per his stats, he only had one year as a decent 3 point shooter. Perhaps an aberration.

[Sixerscan]

Is there any particular reason why Siakam went from a decent 3 point shooter for several years to awful? It’s strange.

Per his stats, he only had one year as a decent 3 point shooter. Perhaps an aberration.

Well I’m not gonna argue what decent is but he’s definitely had more than one year that’s a good bit better than the 24% he’s shooting this year is what I’m saying, what happened?

[Iverson Armband]

Is there any particular reason why Siakam went from a decent 3 point shooter for several years to awful? It’s strange.

Per his stats, he only had one year as a decent 3 point shooter. Perhaps an aberration.

Well I’m not gonna argue what decent is but he’s definitely had more than one year that’s a good bit better than the 24% he’s shooting this year is what I’m saying, what happened?

I’m sure that will normalize some?

[M2J]

Per his stats, he only had one year as a decent 3 point shooter. Perhaps an aberration.

Well I’m not gonna argue what decent is but he’s definitely had more than one year that’s a good bit better than the 24% he’s shooting this year is what I’m saying, what happened?

I’m sure that will normalize some?

I would say his dip in shooting could be contributed to the fact that he became a higher option after the championship season and he was able to play off of All Star level Kawhi and Kyle Lowry... Even the following year just a true all star level Kyle and FVV makes a difference. He would get similar looks in Philly

[Iverson Armband]

Well I’m not gonna argue what decent is but he’s definitely had more than one year that’s a good bit better than the 24% he’s shooting this year is what I’m saying, what happened?

I’m sure that will normalize some?

I would say his dip in shooting could be contributed to the fact that he became a higher option after the championship season and he was able to play off of All Star level Kawhi and Kyle Lowry... Even the following year just a true all star level Kyle and FVV makes a difference. He would get similar looks in Philly

Makes total sense to me.