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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1381 » by fkd215 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:55 pm

76ciology wrote:We must make do with what will be available in the offseason. If there aren't any big names, then we'll continue running without a real "big 3," which I'm fine with.

Personally, if we're going to trade for a big-name player to play with Embiid and Maxey, it has to be someone who's a first-tier star. Paul George is the top candidate for now.

If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.


I'm fine with that too. I really don't want the 3 max guys, 1 MLE, 11 vet minimum guys/rookies team roster archetype a la the Suns. I don't think that can work for anyone, especially not when one of our max guys is so often injured. Let's build an actual team with well-fitting parts and depth.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1382 » by the_process » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:27 pm

Slacktard wrote:
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Do the Sixers have an Iowa alum in their FO? That would be my guess.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1383 » by mjkvol » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:49 pm

76ciology wrote:If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.


This is the approach I've been hoping for all along, and the one I'd love to see happen, even if it means that Morey "struck out" on getting some '3rd star'. I'd much rather have a deep, solid rotation than a top heavy salary structure making us dependent on 2-3 players with a lot of dross on the bench.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1384 » by SixersSince82 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:19 pm

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Waited too long tbh


Would love to get Ingram. We'll have the picks and space to make money work but if they decide they actaully want veterans or prospects back along with picks, we're screwed.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1385 » by 76ciology » Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:39 pm

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76ciology wrote:If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.


This is the approach I've been hoping for all along, and the one I'd love to see happen, even if it means that Morey "struck out" on getting some '3rd star'. I'd much rather have a deep, solid rotation than a top heavy salary structure making us dependent on 2-3 players with a lot of dross on the bench.


Another advantage of building this "collective 5" around Embiid is that it allows us to match up against teams with big 3s because of Embiid's presence, while also having the depth to compete against teams like the Celtics or Knicks. This gives us flexibility and options in playoff matchups against these two types of teams.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1386 » by phillynative » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:51 pm

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Stanford wrote:Ingram = Tobias


Well that's fair, except Tobias can't beat KAT off the dribble, at least Ingram can do that.
Not to mention the 5 year age difference. If I needed to win a game, at the end would I prefer it in Tobi or Ingram's hands? I'm going Ingram, and if New Orleans would do that and Morey hasn't asked....well he needs to be more aggressive.


I think that's the edge that Ingram has over Tobi. He's midrange oriented like Tobias but he has that big wing length and athleticism that Tobias doesn't have. Tobias gets locked down by big athletic forwards. I don't think you can say the same for Ingram .
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1387 » by youngcrev » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:18 pm

Pat Bev is taking some shots at the Sixers already :lol:

Miss having that guy on our side.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1388 » by Stanford » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:31 pm

Giannis cares about winning but doesn't think losing in the first round is a failure.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1389 » by youngcrev » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:33 pm

Stanford wrote:Giannis cares about winning but doesn't think losing in the first round is a failure.


Giannis doesn't care about stats but does care about getting the ball after a big a game
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Post#1390 » by 76ciology » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:13 pm

Im OK converting Ricky Council into a 3 year deal. How about you guys?
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1391 » by Arsenal » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:30 pm

76ciology wrote:Im OK converting Ricky Council into a 3 year deal. How about you guys?


I'd like a 4-year Hinkie special for Council this offseason.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1392 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:44 pm

76ciology wrote:We must make do with what will be available in the offseason. If there aren't any big names, then we'll continue running without a real "big 3," which I'm fine with.

Personally, if we're going to trade for a big-name player to play with Embiid and Maxey, it has to be someone who's a first-tier star. Paul George is the top candidate for now.

If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.

The need isn't necessarily for a "big three" but for one of the top players to be a three-level scorer who can spearhead the team in the clutch and be a dependable scoring option at those times. Embiid cannot perform in that capacity and it's questionable whether Maxey can as well.

So what creates the apparent need for a "big three" is not that the precise quantity of three players per se is necessarily needed, but that the top two players on this particular team cannot be depended on to function in a critical way in the NBA.

To use an NFL analogy it'd be like having far and away the best running back in the game (Embiid) coupled with one of the top echelon wide receivers (Maxey), absent an adequate quarterback. Obviously such a team will stall in the playoffs, and likewise this team always does as well.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1393 » by mjkvol » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:50 pm

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76ciology wrote:We must make do with what will be available in the offseason. If there aren't any big names, then we'll continue running without a real "big 3," which I'm fine with.

Personally, if we're going to trade for a big-name player to play with Embiid and Maxey, it has to be someone who's a first-tier star. Paul George is the top candidate for now.

If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.

The need isn't necessarily for a "big three" but for one of the top players to be a three-level scorer who can spearhead the team in the clutch and be a dependable scoring option at those times. Embiid cannot perform in that capacity and it's questionable whether Maxey can as well.

So what creates the apparent need for a "big three" is not that the precise quantity of three players per se is necessarily needed, but that the top two players on this particular team cannot be depended on to function in a critical way in the NBA.

To use an NFL analogy it'd be like having the best running back in the game (Embiid) coupled with one of the top wide receivers (Maxey), absent an adequate quarterback. Obviously such a team will stall in the playoffs, and likewise this team always does as well.


What would a Ferry post be without at least one 'spearhead' and a convoluted NFL analogy?
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1394 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:52 pm

Stanford wrote:Giannis cares about winning but doesn't think losing in the first round is a failure.


Giannis cared about winning, now not to the same extent, why is that? because he already won a championship. None of our players have won jack **** so that's why they would care much more.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1395 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:53 pm

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76ciology wrote:We must make do with what will be available in the offseason. If there aren't any big names, then we'll continue running without a real "big 3," which I'm fine with.

Personally, if we're going to trade for a big-name player to play with Embiid and Maxey, it has to be someone who's a first-tier star. Paul George is the top candidate for now.

If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.

The need isn't necessarily for a "big three" but for one of the top players to be a three-level scorer who can spearhead the team in the clutch and be a dependable scoring option at those times. Embiid cannot perform in that capacity and it's questionable whether Maxey can as well.

So what creates the apparent need for a "big three" is not that the precise quantity of three players per se is necessarily needed, but that the top two players on this particular team cannot be depended on to function in a critical way in the NBA.

To use an NFL analogy it'd be like having the best running back in the game (Embiid) coupled with one of the top wide receivers (Maxey), absent an adequate quarterback. Obviously such a team will stall in the playoffs, and likewise this team always does as well.


What would a Ferry post be without at least one 'spearhead' and a convoluted NFL analogy?

What would one of your responses to such a post be if it wasn't devoid of any substantive content and in its stead only meaningless allusions to the posting style of an anonymous message board poster? At this point you're more predictable than I am.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1396 » by Kobblehead » Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:34 pm

I don't want Ingram or Williamson, tbh.

That third banana behind Embiid and Maxey should be able to space the floor and play predominantly off the ball.

Zion doesn't do anything outside the paint. Brandon holds the ball too much and is too mid-range happy.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1397 » by M2J » Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:47 pm

I don't see how you could turn down either of them though. You just hope to develop them more. Brandon Ingram has had two seasons where he shot over 6 threes and a good percentage.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1398 » by 76ciology » Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:59 pm

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76ciology wrote:We must make do with what will be available in the offseason. If there aren't any big names, then we'll continue running without a real "big 3," which I'm fine with.

Personally, if we're going to trade for a big-name player to play with Embiid and Maxey, it has to be someone who's a first-tier star. Paul George is the top candidate for now.

If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.

The need isn't necessarily for a "big three" but for one of the top players to be a three-level scorer who can spearhead the team in the clutch and be a dependable scoring option at those times. Embiid cannot perform in that capacity and it's questionable whether Maxey can as well.

So what creates the apparent need for a "big three" is not that the precise quantity of three players per se is necessarily needed, but that the top two players on this particular team cannot be depended on to function in a critical way in the NBA.

To use an NFL analogy it'd be like having far and away the best running back in the game (Embiid) coupled with one of the top echelon wide receivers (Maxey), absent an adequate quarterback. Obviously such a team will stall in the playoffs, and likewise this team always does as well.


I understand your point. Currently, we lack a second option who can step into an alpha role when Biid is absent physically or spiritually.

We are addressing this issue with a group of versatile offensive scorers. We aim to challenge the defense in multiple ways. For example, if they decide to blitz Maxey and run a zone, we can have Embiid or Tobias positioned at the free-throw line to take mid-range shots and then drop the ball to a cutter if help defense arrives. Alternatively, we can run actions to empower our players to attack effectively, such as Buddy Hield setting ghost screens for Maxey or any ball handler. Tobias can also run some PnRs or run some screen sets for him to attack smaller guards. We can also execute multiple dribble drives to create scoring opportunities for our team.

Take the Celtics, for instance. If Tatum isn’t playing or is in a slump, they have Jaylen Brown, Porzingis, Jrue, and Derrick White stepping up. Similarly, in our case, when Embiid isn't available or isn't performing well, we rely on players like Maxey, Hield, Tobias, and either Oubre, Melton, or Lowry to step up. It will be a collective effort rather than placing the majority of the burden on the backup second option on the team.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1399 » by 76ciology » Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:06 pm

Right now, if we're aiming for a big three-type team, my number one candidate to trade is Donovan Mitchell. He's a player who can excel as the second option while also possessing the ability to lead as an alpha player. He's a more viable option than LeBron, Durant, Paul George, or Ingram.

Both the numbers and the eye test indicate that he's a superstar. Additionally, I believe the Cavs might explore trade options in the offseason due to rumors suggesting he might leave once he becomes a free agent.

As for the third banana, Hield or Maxey would be the perfect player for that role.

After that, we just need to surround them with competent role players.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1400 » by SixersSince82 » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:01 pm

76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
76ciology wrote:We must make do with what will be available in the offseason. If there aren't any big names, then we'll continue running without a real "big 3," which I'm fine with.

Personally, if we're going to trade for a big-name player to play with Embiid and Maxey, it has to be someone who's a first-tier star. Paul George is the top candidate for now.

If a big name is not available, then we'll run this collective five-type team where we have enough talent, offensive firepower, and depth to keep the boat afloat while Embiid rests and gets himself fresh for the playoffs.

The need isn't necessarily for a "big three" but for one of the top players to be a three-level scorer who can spearhead the team in the clutch and be a dependable scoring option at those times. Embiid cannot perform in that capacity and it's questionable whether Maxey can as well.

So what creates the apparent need for a "big three" is not that the precise quantity of three players per se is necessarily needed, but that the top two players on this particular team cannot be depended on to function in a critical way in the NBA.

To use an NFL analogy it'd be like having far and away the best running back in the game (Embiid) coupled with one of the top echelon wide receivers (Maxey), absent an adequate quarterback. Obviously such a team will stall in the playoffs, and likewise this team always does as well.


I understand your point. Currently, we lack a second option who can step into an alpha role when Biid is absent physically or spiritually.

We are addressing this issue with a group of versatile offensive scorers. We aim to challenge the defense in multiple ways. For example, if they decide to blitz Maxey and run a zone, we can have Embiid or Tobias positioned at the free-throw line to take mid-range shots and then drop the ball to a cutter if help defense arrives. Alternatively, we can run actions to empower our players to attack effectively, such as Buddy Hield setting ghost screens for Maxey or any ball handler. Tobias can also run some PnRs or run some screen sets for him to attack smaller guards. We can also execute multiple dribble drives to create scoring opportunities for our team.

Take the Celtics, for instance. If Tatum isn’t playing or is in a slump, they have Jaylen Brown, Porzingis, Jrue, and Derrick White stepping up. Similarly, in our case, when Embiid isn't available or isn't performing well, we rely on players like Maxey, Hield, Tobias, and either Oubre, Melton, or Lowry to step up. It will be a collective effort rather than placing the majority of the burden on the backup second option on the team.



Oh man, I think you used the word "tobias" too many times for anyone to think that plan has a real chance to work in the playoffs.

If Tatum isn’t playing or is in a slump, they have Jaylen Brown, Porzingis, Jrue, and Derrick White stepping up. Similarly, in our case, when Embiid isn't available or isn't performing well, we rely on players like Maxey, Hield, Tobias, and either Oubre, Melton, or Lowry to step up.

Im not sure how similar that is when Boston guys are all 2 way players while most of ours are not.

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