2024 NBA Playoffs: East Semifinals: #2 New York Knicks vs #6 Indiana Pacers (IND WINS 4-3)

[xBulletproof]

brunson scores 43 and all people talking about is officiating when there were some bad calls both ways.

The knicks got the benefit of the kicked ball call. That was the only call that wasn't reversed. Everything else was reviewed and called correctly.

Not even close. The Brunson foul on Turner. The Haliburton 24 second violation that was never reviewed even though the shot was off in time.

There were a lot of calls that went the Knicks way, questionably.

so there was no calls that the pacers may have gotten away with?

officiating is why Brunson scored 43 vs Haliburton 6?

Yes the kick ball was a bad call.

How can you call the brunson foul on turner a bad one when they reviewed it and overturned it? This isn't just the officiating that goes back the NY offices.

How can I call it a bad call? Easy. It was wrong. I don't care who called it.

And obviously the Pacers didn't get away with a bad call, you're trying to argue the point and can't even say. You have to ask, trying to leave it ambiguous bc you know if there were bad calls that way, you'd be pointing it out, instead of asking.

[ArksNetsSince99]

The Pacers better be extraordinarily pissed off now. I call Pacers in 5.

In 6 tops

[Butch718]

As a Knicks fan, I was shocked they called that. While that technically is a foul, you just can’t call that there. Especially when both teams have been doing it all game.

That being said the Pacers couldn’t get stops or sustain their small leads. That’s why the ultimately lost.

Knicks need bench guys to step up. That isn’t going to cut it.

the difference is they called the 4th qtr extremely tight. Both teams were in the penalty really quickly. So it at least was consistent...the whistle was quick in that forth.

While this is true, it’s just a call that’s rarely made.

Anyway, I am happy to be recipient of beneficial call.

[Im Coming Home]

Not even close. The Brunson foul on Turner. The Haliburton 24 second violation that was never reviewed even though the shot was off in time.

There were a lot of calls that went the Knicks way, questionably.

so there was no calls that the pacers may have gotten away with?

officiating is why Brunson scored 43 vs Haliburton 6?

Yes the kick ball was a bad call.

How can you call the brunson foul on turner a bad one when they reviewed it and overturned it? This isn't just the officiating that goes back the NY offices.

How can I call it a bad call? Easy. It was wrong. I don't care who called it.

And obviously the Pacers didn't get away with a bad call, you're trying to argue the point and can't even say. You have to ask, trying to leave it ambiguous bc you know if there were bad calls that way, you'd be pointing it out, instead of asking.

Half the fouls called on the Knicks against Pacers were BS, there ya go, done. They called that game like a pre-ASB regular season game soft ass whistle all game, which favors the softer, worse defending team the Pacers. Knicks weren't allowed to be their physical defending selves.

[mpharris36]

Not even close. The Brunson foul on Turner. The Haliburton 24 second violation that was never reviewed even though the shot was off in time.

There were a lot of calls that went the Knicks way, questionably.

so there was no calls that the pacers may have gotten away with?

officiating is why Brunson scored 43 vs Haliburton 6?

Yes the kick ball was a bad call.

How can you call the brunson foul on turner a bad one when they reviewed it and overturned it? This isn't just the officiating that goes back the NY offices.

How can I call it a bad call? Easy. It was wrong. I don't care who called it.

And obviously the Pacers didn't get away with a bad call, you're trying to argue the point and can't even say. You have to ask, trying to leave it ambiguous bc you know if there were bad calls that way, you'd be pointing it out, instead of asking.

why was it a bad call because you said so? He blocked the shot...there is a new rule the NBA is calling if a play has marginal contact its not a foul. Was there body contact yes...did it effect the shot and was marginal? Clearly not or they would have stuck with the call on the field.

[Fat]

I don’t think all the tears will change the final score sorry folks. Should be crying for hailburton to play better

[Pacers_Freak]

Pacers only here because because Giannis never played lol Now they’re playing a Knick team missing Randle and Bojan lol

Just enjoy this. You weren’t suppose to be here

They deserve credit for making it such a close game despite a very poor shooting night from their franchise player.

And winning their first playoff series in 10 years is still a pretty significant accomplishment for them.

Really looking foward to the next game on Wednesday, the return of Reggie v Spike at MSG, that will be fun

I’ve said for most of this year they are really a year ahead of schedule. Expected them to be the 9 or 10 this year. I was surprised they performed on the road in game 1 the way they did. I don’t think they have the maturity to bounce back in game 2 after such a tough loss. NYK -5.5 looks very appealing to me. But if you saw my DK account that’s probably good news for the Pacers.

[mpharris36]

As a Knicks fan, I was shocked they called that. While that technically is a foul, you just can’t call that there. Especially when both teams have been doing it all game.

That being said the Pacers couldn’t get stops or sustain their small leads. That’s why the ultimately lost.

Knicks need bench guys to step up. That isn’t going to cut it.

the difference is they called the 4th qtr extremely tight. Both teams were in the penalty really quickly. So it at least was consistent...the whistle was quick in that forth.

While this is true, it’s just a call that’s rarely made.

Anyway, I am happy to be recipient of beneficial call.

donte was called for a very similar moving screen earlier. To be fair, I agree its not always called but they called that fourth tight.

[Im Coming Home]

what about when the knicks were up 4 and all the momentum they called a foul on DD when Nesmith flopped for a call to get two FTs?

there were two minutes to go and indy had nothing going at that point.

Well you see, that hurts the Knicks, so its ok of course!

[Butch718]

This Pacers team is fun to watch though. Polar opposite of what the Knicks had to deal with in Philly.

[DLTGWH]

NBA had decades to conspire to help Knicks with draft ping pong balls. They ain’t do sh&t. They watch Knicks flounder and flop as an embarrassment for 20 years. They didn’t do sh&t.

But now NBA stepppng in to help sway refs to ensure Knicks beat pacers.

Take your tinfoil hats off people. Refs didn’t change outcome of this game. Pacers didn’t close it out cuz their star was absentee

[xBulletproof]

Half the fouls called on the Knicks against Pacers were BS, there ya go, done. They called that game like a pre-ASB regular season game soft ass whistle all game, which favors the softer, worse defending team the Pacers. Knicks weren't allowed to be their physical defending selves.

That's just funny.

Be happy with your win, but you don't need to be delusional though. The only people that don't see the problem are Knicks fans. At some point you have to realize how odd that looks.

[KOA]

Funny how people are only talking about calls on one side and not the other.

Forget about the late whistle of a loose ball foul on Siakam against Hart after Brunson nailed a 3

Forget about Nembhard literally holding Brunson while Hart was trying to inbound the ball. He literally took 3 seconds pointing it out to the refs.

Forget about McConnell holding and hacking Brunson on his drive.

Forget about the Nembhard kick ball that NY had to challenge

But yeah, totally one sided. Let’s call out the Turner foul that was actually a foul and sustained on review

[vulture]

This is some wild defense by the wolves

[shi-woo]

There's also a difference between bad refs, bad calls, and bad refs making bad calls that kill momentum for one team. I can deal with a tight whistle, but when one clearly prevents another team from gaining any steam, it's frustrating as a fan, especially when those calls are wrong or inconsistent.

As others have already pointed out, a lot of those plays down the stretch led to huge swings, or stopped runs. That's how refs control games, and it fatigues players mentally.

Likewise, I can't stand the "well it's technically the right call" crowd. The precedence has been set regardless of what the rule is. If on the last play on the game they called a palming violation or double dribble on Brunson, something he does every play (there is no way to do those Hesi moves without it) no one would be in this thread saying "well, the rules are the rules"

Every time we do this it just empowers these scrub refs to continue just making calls whenever they want, and determine the game for the players. If you don't call it in the 1st, don't call it in the 4th, especially when the game is on the line. Like I said in the Women's national champ game thread, it just robs all of us of the spectacular moments we tune in to see.

No ones paying money for tickets, or spending 3 hours of there life watching a game to see it end like that mess

And it's not even about the Knicks winning, have no horse in the race, it's just about consistency, there fans should be preaching the same thing, because next series against Boston, if both make it, they are going to be the Pacers, and a lot of fans are going to be wondering why certain things that worked in the past two series all of a sudden aren't.

[Im Coming Home]

Half the fouls called on the Knicks against Pacers were BS, there ya go, done. They called that game like a pre-ASB regular season game soft ass whistle all game, which favors the softer, worse defending team the Pacers. Knicks weren't allowed to be their physical defending selves.

That's just funny.

Be happy with your win, but you don't need to be delusional though. The only people that don't see the problem are Knicks fans. At some point you have to realize how odd that looks.

I'm not being delusional. The whistle was soft all game. Surely you can admit that favors the Pacers, vs the Knicks who are a more physical team but weren't allowed to be.

Proof: Pacers had the Knicks in the penalty with 5:30 left in the 4th, and really early in the 3rd too.

If you're unwilling to be unbiased and have a discussion than theres no reason to talk on the GB imo.

Knicks def got the benefit of calls down the stretch for sure, its stupid you can't challenge a kick ball.

[Im Coming Home]

There's also a difference between bad refs, bad calls, and bad refs making bad calls that kill momentum for one team. I can deal with a tight whistle, but when one clearly prevents another team from gaining any steam, it's frustrating as a fan, especially when those calls are wrong or inconsistent.

As others have already pointed out, a lot of those plays down the stretch led to huge swings, or stopped runs. That's how refs control games, and it fatigues players mentally.

Likewise, I can't stand the "well it's technically the right call" crowd. The precedence has been set regardless of what the rule is. If on the last play on the game they called a palming violation or double dribble on Brunson, something he does every play (there is no way to do those Hesi moves without it) no one would be in this thread saying "well, the rules are the rules"

Every time we do this it just empowers these scrub refs to continue just making calls whenever they want, and determine the game for the players. If you don't call it in the 1st, don't call it in the 4th, especially when the game is on the line. Like I said in the Women's national champ game thread, it just robs all of us of the spectacular moments we tune in to see.

No ones paying money for tickets, or spending 3 hours of there life watching a game to see it end like that mess

And it's not even about the Knicks winning, have no horse in the race, it's just about consistency, there fans should be preaching the same thing, because next series against Boston, if both make it, they are going to be the Pacers, and a lot of fans are going to be wondering why certain things that worked in the past two series all of a sudden aren't.

Very fair points all around. I disagree with dealing with a tight whistle though, especially when one team is very soft on defense(Pacers) and one is very tough and physical on defense(Knicks), a tight whistle can drastically change the game all not long.. they officiated this game like a Pre-ASB regular season game. Pacers don't drive to the paint enough to have the Knicks in the penalty in both the 3rd and 4th super early in the quarters.. that could've had huge impacts on the game. Hopefully they have actual playoff officiating next game.

[Hoop Hunter]

Hali has not played anything like this before his injury. After he was traded here, last season and this season till the injuries. He has always gotten around his man and got about any shot he wants.

They wrap his hammy everytime he comes out of the game, he's been wearing a stim device on his back everytime he comes out. He's extremely banged up. They don't do that to healthy players. It's pretty obvious people.

[ITYSL]

The only thing I will say is when the refs are letting a lot of things go for 3 quarters, and then all of the sudden they call it tight in the 4th, that confuses players. I don't think it was particularly biased officiating one way or the other, but the whistle was definitely a lot tighter in the 4th and that was kind of annoying.

[knicksNOTslick]

so there was no calls that the pacers may have gotten away with?

officiating is why Brunson scored 43 vs Haliburton 6?

Yes the kick ball was a bad call.

How can you call the brunson foul on turner a bad one when they reviewed it and overturned it? This isn't just the officiating that goes back the NY offices.

How can I call it a bad call? Easy. It was wrong. I don't care who called it.

And obviously the Pacers didn't get away with a bad call, you're trying to argue the point and can't even say. You have to ask, trying to leave it ambiguous bc you know if there were bad calls that way, you'd be pointing it out, instead of asking.

Half the fouls called on the Knicks against Pacers were BS, there ya go, done. They called that game like a pre-ASB regular season game soft ass whistle all game, which favors the softer, worse defending team the Pacers. Knicks weren't allowed to be their physical defending selves.

The Knicks were in the penalty early in the 4th. Refs called soft fouls that killed the Knicks momentum when they had like a 7-0 run. But sure the refs had it in for Indiana. Not to mention they called out on Brunson when it was obviously off Nembhard's shoe. Thibs had to challenge that and waste a time out. You can say the refs were bad but to say the Knicks were favored all game is wrong.