Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[thebuzzardman]

Mitch has one more year on his deal.
Knicks aren't going to lose the salary slot for nothing.
He gets moved between this season deadline or next

Exactly they aren't trading him for a player that needs to get paid after this year. Unless he's gonna get Mitch level money. $12-14mil per. They are going to tap dance below that apron until they go all in. That's why he's still here. They haven't found a replacement. This could change in the blink of an eye with this FO though.

IMO all we need is a healthy Mitch or, that level player off the bench and, another wing. Could we upgrade the backup PG? Not with our budget. Cam/Deuce are a great bench backcourt. Precious is a good bench player but, Mikal/OG for 40+ every night is a recipe for disaster.

Brunson(32)/Cam(16)
Mikal(32)/Deuce (16)
Hart(38)/Pac(10)
OG(32)Precious(16)
KAT(32)/Precious(16)

I want to see something more a long these lines than the BS Thibs does. Obviously you can flex the minutes some but, that's the base we should be working with going forward. At the very least take Pacs 10 minutes and divide them amongst Deuce/Payne. Not 40+ mpg every night for Mikal/OG.

Thibs waiting for Shamet to take those 10 Dadiet minutes per game

[Nazrmohamed]

this is who we need to be going all out for

I still love Sexton and Kessler more at around 20 million combined.

If we can keep Achiuwa though and basically trade Mitch for Herb Jones as core pieces… I’m all for it.

i feel like the need for defensive minded long wings is more of a necessity tbh. especially of the goal is beating boston

Ill never turn it down but I think in our hierarchy of needs its the least dire need we have. Weve got Bridges and OG and Thibs is gonna play both about 35minutes regardless of who we get in here. Then theres Hart and Deucd with Shamet waiting in the wings. To me the buggest need is the exact one Mitch occupies and not just that.Its the skillset I desire so.......wait I juat assumed we were talking about trading Mitch. Well lets just for now assume you are. Then it basically becomes hey, who wants to give us a healthy version of the same player while weguve you the injured version. Whos gonna take tbat deal? So that why I feel the only thing to do is absolutely nothing and treat him like some FA signing once hes healthy.

But we need a defensive rim protector at either C or PF. To me thats priority 1 and 2. If I had to choose a third and its way further down almost like a two star draft, I still think we could use a veteran proven winner at PG to backup Jalen Brunsom. Again, its less dire but I wanna know that should Jalen need extennded rest or miss games that the backup can run an offense. Not provide an offensupive spark lik Cam or Deuce. Actually run a system offense. And I know someones gonna say Kolek but I mean someone established that a contending coach would naturally trust. Chris Paul might be an example. Can be in the twighlight of thier career but what Im asking for is more whats upstairs.

[thebuzzardman]

The Knicks don't trust Mitch to be healthy or take his career seriously so they want to move him for a C who cares.

[KnixinSix]

Knicks trade Mitch, who they don't trust professionally, for a C.

It's about availability this year and next few years.

Wing gets filled by Shamet, Warren, etc.

Mitch is fun, he's a drafted Knick but I don't think the FO wants to deal with him next few years.

The Knicks have FIVE centers on the team for a reason, other than Thibs is an outdated lunatic

Or you keep Mitch AND add one of the cheaper option Cs like Kessler (3M) or Richards (5M).

This team is crying out for elite rim protection depth to execute Thibs preferred method of defense.

[robillionaire]

We have options!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks trade Mitch, who they don't trust professionally, for a C.

It's about availability this year and next few years.

Wing gets filled by Shamet, Warren, etc.

Mitch is fun, he's a drafted Knick but I don't think the FO wants to deal with him next few years.

The Knicks have FIVE centers on the team for a reason, other than Thibs is an outdated lunatic

Or you keep Mitch AND add one of the cheaper option Cs like Kessler (3M) or Richards (5M).

This team is crying out for elite rim protection depth to execute Thibs preferred method of defense.

Knicks don't have anything to trade for the cheap guys.
My sense is they need to use Mitch's salary slot.

Maybe some rebuilding team is interested in Dadiet or Kolek. I guess.

Hopefully Mitch comes back healthy, contributes and stays healthy.
Kind of doubt it though.

[KnixinSix]

Knicks trade Mitch, who they don't trust professionally, for a C.

It's about availability this year and next few years.

Wing gets filled by Shamet, Warren, etc.

Mitch is fun, he's a drafted Knick but I don't think the FO wants to deal with him next few years.

The Knicks have FIVE centers on the team for a reason, other than Thibs is an outdated lunatic

Or you keep Mitch AND add one of the cheaper option Cs like Kessler (3M) or Richards (5M).

This team is crying out for elite rim protection depth to execute Thibs preferred method of defense.

Knicks don't have anything to trade for the cheap guys.
My sense is they need to use Mitch's salary slot.

Maybe some rebuilding team is interested in Dadiet or Kolek. I guess.

Hopefully Mitch comes back healthy, contributes and stays healthy.
Kind of doubt it though.

I think some combination of Kolek, Dadiet with a couple picks would be enough based on the rumors of what the asking price is for these guys.

[KnixinSix]

I still love Sexton and Kessler more at around 20 million combined.

If we can keep Achiuwa though and basically trade Mitch for Herb Jones as core pieces… I’m all for it.

i feel like the need for defensive minded long wings is more of a necessity tbh. especially of the goal is beating boston

Ill never turn it down but I think in our hierarchy of needs its the least dire need we have. Weve got Bridges and OG and Thibs is gonna play both about 35minutes regardless of who we get in here. Then theres Hart and Deucd with Shamet waiting in the wings. To me the buggest need is the exact one Mitch occupies and not just that.Its the skillset I desire so.......wait I juat assumed we were talking about trading Mitch. Well lets just for now assume you are. Then it basically becomes hey, who wants to give us a healthy version of the same player while weguve you the injured version. Whos gonna take tbat deal? So that why I feel the only thing to do is absolutely nothing and treat him like some FA signing once hes healthy.

But we need a defensive rim protector at either C or PF. To me thats priority 1 and 2. If I had to choose a third and its way further down almost like a two star draft, I still think we could use a veteran proven winner at PG to backup Jalen Brunsom. Again, its less dire but I wanna know that should Jalen need extennded rest or miss games that the backup can run an offense. Not provide an offensupive spark lik Cam or Deuce. Actually run a system offense. And I know someones gonna say Kolek but I mean someone established that a contending coach would naturally trust. Chris Paul might be an example. Can be in the twighlight of thier career but what Im asking for is more whats upstairs.

This is exactly correct.

[spree2kawhi]

i feel like the need for defensive minded long wings is more of a necessity tbh. especially of the goal is beating boston

Ill never turn it down but I think in our hierarchy of needs its the least dire need we have. Weve got Bridges and OG and Thibs is gonna play both about 35minutes regardless of who we get in here. Then theres Hart and Deucd with Shamet waiting in the wings. To me the buggest need is the exact one Mitch occupies and not just that.Its the skillset I desire so.......wait I juat assumed we were talking about trading Mitch. Well lets just for now assume you are. Then it basically becomes hey, who wants to give us a healthy version of the same player while weguve you the injured version. Whos gonna take tbat deal? So that why I feel the only thing to do is absolutely nothing and treat him like some FA signing once hes healthy.

But we need a defensive rim protector at either C or PF. To me thats priority 1 and 2. If I had to choose a third and its way further down almost like a two star draft, I still think we could use a veteran proven winner at PG to backup Jalen Brunsom. Again, its less dire but I wanna know that should Jalen need extennded rest or miss games that the backup can run an offense. Not provide an offensupive spark lik Cam or Deuce. Actually run a system offense. And I know someones gonna say Kolek but I mean someone established that a contending coach would naturally trust. Chris Paul might be an example. Can be in the twighlight of thier career but what Im asking for is more whats upstairs.

This is exactly correct.

Well, Sexton and Kessler give you all that. Why could it happen?

1) Mitch‘s contract is declining and not too long.
2) Kessler might be expendable if they don’t want to pay the price it takes to re-sign him. Whether we want to do that or not is another question.
3) Achiuwa comes off the books after this year, so they are effectively reducing payroll.
4) They may not want to lose Sexton for nothing soon, so hopefully trading him for Dadiet and Kolek and some draft compensation sounds good to them.


Why do it? While Achiuwa is a beast, so is Sexton. Kessler really is the center we need. Staying put is fine by me, but that’s a great trade right there.

[KnixinSix]

Ill never turn it down but I think in our hierarchy of needs its the least dire need we have. Weve got Bridges and OG and Thibs is gonna play both about 35minutes regardless of who we get in here. Then theres Hart and Deucd with Shamet waiting in the wings. To me the buggest need is the exact one Mitch occupies and not just that.Its the skillset I desire so.......wait I juat assumed we were talking about trading Mitch. Well lets just for now assume you are. Then it basically becomes hey, who wants to give us a healthy version of the same player while weguve you the injured version. Whos gonna take tbat deal? So that why I feel the only thing to do is absolutely nothing and treat him like some FA signing once hes healthy.

But we need a defensive rim protector at either C or PF. To me thats priority 1 and 2. If I had to choose a third and its way further down almost like a two star draft, I still think we could use a veteran proven winner at PG to backup Jalen Brunsom. Again, its less dire but I wanna know that should Jalen need extennded rest or miss games that the backup can run an offense. Not provide an offensupive spark lik Cam or Deuce. Actually run a system offense. And I know someones gonna say Kolek but I mean someone established that a contending coach would naturally trust. Chris Paul might be an example. Can be in the twighlight of thier career but what Im asking for is more whats upstairs.

This is exactly correct.

Well, Sexton and Kessler give you all that. Why could it happen?

1) Mitch‘s contract is declining and not too long.
2) Kessler might be expendable if they don’t want to pay the price it takes to re-sign him. Whether we want to do that or not is another question.
3) Achiuwa comes off the books after this year, so they are effectively reducing payroll.
4) They may not want to lose Sexton for nothing soon, so hopefully trading him for Dadiet and Kolek and some draft compensation sounds good to them.


Why do it? While Achiuwa is a beast, so is Sexton. Kessler really is the center we need. Staying put is fine by me, but that’s a great trade right there.

Sexton would be nice but the key piece is Kessler. I would focus on only Kessler and give them Dadiet and/or Kolek and/or a pick or two to get it done

[Jalen Bluntson]

Our mid season trades have been pretty impactful. Rose/Hart/OG have all been great trades. I will patiently await whatever move or moves we make. Seeing Mitch might not be back until right before the deadline IF then? Kinda scary. In Leon we trust.

[G_K_F]

I have no idea how these new cap rules work. Too complicated.

I believe we basically can’t make a trade this season since we are hard capped in the second apron. It’s basically impossible to make a trade from my understanding. If someone has more insight feel free to share.

[navyblue]

I have no idea how these new cap rules work. Too complicated.

I believe we basically can’t make a trade this season since we are hard capped in the second apron. It’s basically impossible to make a trade from my understanding. If someone has more insight feel free to share.

It's possible as long as incoming salary is lower.

[KnixinSix]

Yesterday cemented this for me if we are going to stay with Thibs we HAVE TO get the elite rim protecting 5 into the lineup ASAP.

Waiting for Mitch will take a bit longer. An upcoming mid-late December trade for Kessler or Richards while KEEPING Mitch is the way to go.

This team desperately needs those kind of 5's if we are going to run Thibs preferred system well.

[KnixinSix]

Our mid season trades have been pretty impactful. Rose/Hart/OG have all been great trades. I will patiently await whatever move or moves we make. Seeing Mitch might not be back until right before the deadline IF then? Kinda scary. In Leon we trust.

You know I've been consistent in this since the beginning of the season. We need that 5 here badly.

[DaGawd]

can we trade mikal bridges for jimmy butler?

[douggood]

can we trade mikal bridges for jimmy butler?

mikal, robinson, achiuwa, mcbride + more just to make numbers work (still might not be possible cause having to backfill the roster)

so otherwise its mikal + another core player just to make numbers work.

[sol537]

Our mid season trades have been pretty impactful. Rose/Hart/OG have all been great trades. I will patiently await whatever move or moves we make. Seeing Mitch might not be back until right before the deadline IF then? Kinda scary. In Leon we trust.

You know I've been consistent in this since the beginning of the season. We need that 5 here badly.

Two trades I'd love to see but probably won't happen:

1) Mitch + future 1st swap + Rights to Rokas for Herb Jones

2) Precious + WAS 1st for Nick Richards

I think having Herb Jones in the starting lineup over Josh Hart bolsters our defense tremendously (top 7-8 even) and then you have Nick Richads as the main big off the bench who plays some minutes next to KAT for some stretches.

KAT / Richards
Jones
OG / Hart
Bridges / Deuce
Brunson / Payne

More size... more defense... more durability...stronger bench play... a grittier "Thibs" style team than the current one.

[KnixinSix]

Our mid season trades have been pretty impactful. Rose/Hart/OG have all been great trades. I will patiently await whatever move or moves we make. Seeing Mitch might not be back until right before the deadline IF then? Kinda scary. In Leon we trust.

You know I've been consistent in this since the beginning of the season. We need that 5 here badly.

Two trades I'd love to see but probably won't happen:

1) Mitch + future 1st swap + Rights to Rokas for Herb Jones

2) Precious + WAS 1st for Nick Richards

I think having Herb Jones in the starting lineup over Josh Hart bolsters our defense tremendously (top 7-8 even) and then you have Nick Richads as the main big off the bench who plays some minutes next to KAT for some stretches.

KAT / Richards
Jones
OG / Hart
Bridges / Deuce
Brunson / Payne

More size... more defense... more durability...stronger bench play... a grittier "Thibs" style team than the current one.

Not opposed to this at all but to me the defense and offensive/defensive rebounding would be transformed simoly by greatly fortifying the 5 spot.

So I would rather go: some combo of Kolek/Dadiet and picks for Kessler or Richards while keeping Mitch and Achiuwa.

[KnixinSix]

I have no idea how these new cap rules work. Too complicated.

I believe we basically can’t make a trade this season since we are hard capped in the second apron. It’s basically impossible to make a trade from my understanding. If someone has more insight feel free to share.

It's possible as long as incoming salary is lower.

And within 10% of the outgoing salary