July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

[camillepd]

yes Jose has 2 more years remaining on his contract.

[Trav_NYK]

Having Jose Calderon isn't that bad to me

All he has to do is hit his jumpers and be that veteran point guard that Melo needs... but if we can trade that contract it would be cool lol

[Mecca]

Calderon's contract isn't that bad considering what players are getting now. A 2 year 16 million contract when guys like Baynes and Corey Joseph are getting similar money isn't awful. Jose will have a real team this year and he can really stroke it. I think if Grant develops, we can shed Jose to a contender and continue to fight for a 5-8 seed next year. Most excited I've been since 2010

[Zooropa]

As someone pointed out, CoJo is getting paid Jose's salary to back up Kyle f*cking Lowry. His deal is fine.

He's a good locker room presence anyway and has always been a consummate professional. Over-the-hill physically or not, that's valuable with such a young roster. Especially because we all know Melo won't be that vocal leader.

And let's say we do get a second-rounder for him. Wonderful. Who are we spending that cash on? I'll wait...

[Zooropa]

If Jose has a good year (I suspect he will), some of you guys will never hear the end of it from me.

[digitaldropoff]

Calderon's contract isn't that bad considering what players are getting now. A 2 year 16 million contract when guys like Baynes and Corey Joseph are getting similar money isn't awful. Jose will have a real team this year and he can really stroke it. I think if Grant develops, we can shed Jose to a contender and continue to fight for a 5-8 seed next year. Most excited I've been since 2010

It's not just Calderon's deal that may or may not look bad....it's the fact that he's 35 and set to be paid for two more years. On top of being old, he's now in injury prone country. Similar deals are out there, but the guys you mentioned are noticeably younger and more durable. Jose has been playing pro ball forever.....he has tons of miles on him.

[HKSVIP]

The only contract on our roster that I find questionable is the Derrick Williams contract we just handed out. He better prove worth it.

[HKSVIP]

I'm not a huge fan of giving Derrick Williams a 2 year deal at 5 mill per. You know he is going to opt in next year as well because nobody will offer him over 5 mill next offseason if they didn't this offseason. I like the other moves for going after two way players but this one is questionable to say the least.

I know we're thinking "Bass and Scola are available. What are we doing?" Look, those players are old and want to contend. We aren't in the running for those type of players who can still contribute to a playoff team. We need to take chances on young players with upside. I just feel Williams isn't the two way player that we needed.

Needless to say it looks like he'll start at the 4 for us. Let's hope he plays like he did in Zona.

you're looking at this deal all wrong. it's nearly comparable to vet minimum next year, and he has great incentive to play himself into position to make his first decent money next year, with a coach who knows and likes him.

to me, that's smart maanagement and the right way to leverage cheap deals.

It is not a minimum deal. If it was, it would be called minimum. We overpaid for an athletic dunker.

[NoLayupRule]

Having Jose Calderon isn't that bad to me

All he has to do is hit his jumpers and be that veteran point guard that Melo needs... but if we can trade that contract it would be cool lol

he's historically a very good shooter and has a league high turnover to assist ratio

he's actually a good contract

he just had his worst year as a pro last season

[NoLayupRule]

I'm not a huge fan of giving Derrick Williams a 2 year deal at 5 mill per. You know he is going to opt in next year as well because nobody will offer him over 5 mill next offseason if they didn't this offseason. I like the other moves for going after two way players but this one is questionable to say the least.

I know we're thinking "Bass and Scola are available. What are we doing?" Look, those players are old and want to contend. We aren't in the running for those type of players who can still contribute to a playoff team. We need to take chances on young players with upside. I just feel Williams isn't the two way player that we needed.

Needless to say it looks like he'll start at the 4 for us. Let's hope he plays like he did in Zona.

you're looking at this deal all wrong. it's nearly comparable to vet minimum next year, and he has great incentive to play himself into position to make his first decent money next year, with a coach who knows and likes him.

to me, that's smart maanagement and the right way to leverage cheap deals.

It is not a minimum deal. If it was, it would be called minimum. We overpaid for an athletic dunker.

perhaps

we may have overpaid this year but most of your facts are wrong



next season the vet min, depending on years in the league, will be around 3 mil which is close to his 5 mil

Also other teams were interested in him this year

And lastly his upside is still high. Bigs in the league at 24 don't usually have their games figured out yet
If Williams can play for a contract and play well he could be a very solid player for us


Id have rather have other guys but here we are

[BowlRips]

The only contract on our roster that I find questionable is the Derrick Williams contract we just handed out. He better prove worth it.

Alan Anderson - 1 Year 4 million
Jason Smith - 1 Year 4.5 million

Don't think the D-Will contract is too bad.. People think we could've got him for peanuts.. I dont think thats the case..

Obviously Williams was targeted heavily by the team.. I am assuming they put a lot of research into this.. He can be a prototypical small ball 4.. Not comparing the 2 but in the right system theres no reason he cant be our version of Draymond Green on the offensive end (not comparing the defense so dont say Draymond on D is light years better, I am aware of that)

[HKSVIP]

The only contract on our roster that I find questionable is the Derrick Williams contract we just handed out. He better prove worth it.

Alan Anderson - 1 Year 4 million
Jason Smith - 1 Year 4.5 million

Don't think the D-Will contract is too bad.. People think we could've got him for peanuts.. I dont think thats the case..

Obviously Williams was targeted heavily by the team.. I am assuming they put a lot of research into this.. He can be a prototypical small ball 4.. Not comparing the 2 but in the right system theres no reason he cant be our version of Draymond Green on the offensive end (not comparing the defense so dont say Draymond on D is light years better, I am aware of that)

Draymond Green is an all defensive team defender. Derrick Williams was ranked the worst defender in the league. He needs to guard 4's. He can't keep up with 3's in the NBA.

[HKSVIP]

you're looking at this deal all wrong. it's nearly comparable to vet minimum next year, and he has great incentive to play himself into position to make his first decent money next year, with a coach who knows and likes him.

to me, that's smart maanagement and the right way to leverage cheap deals.

It is not a minimum deal. If it was, it would be called minimum. We overpaid for an athletic dunker.

perhaps

we may have overpaid this year but most of your facts are wrong



next season the vet min, depending on years in the league, will be around 3 mil which is close to his 5 mil

Also other teams were interested in him this year

And lastly his upside is still high. Bigs in the league at 24 don't usually have their games figured out yet
If Williams can play for a contract and play well he could be a very solid player for us


Id have rather have other guys but here we are

He's gotta start to start out the season at least. It'll boost his confidence. Let him prove he's worth the contract so he can opt out and get money fro somebody else next season when the cap goes up. Afflalo will most likely do the same, but if he performs I can see Afflalo staying.

[BowlRips]

The only contract on our roster that I find questionable is the Derrick Williams contract we just handed out. He better prove worth it.

Alan Anderson - 1 Year 4 million
Jason Smith - 1 Year 4.5 million

Don't think the D-Will contract is too bad.. People think we could've got him for peanuts.. I dont think thats the case..

Obviously Williams was targeted heavily by the team.. I am assuming they put a lot of research into this.. He can be a prototypical small ball 4.. Not comparing the 2 but in the right system theres no reason he cant be our version of Draymond Green on the offensive end (not comparing the defense so dont say Draymond on D is light years better, I am aware of that)

Draymond Green is an all defensive team defender. Derrick Williams was ranked the worst defender in the league. He needs to guard 4's. He can't keep up with 3's in the NBA.

lol did you read the last line..
Also btw Kyle Singler 5 years 25mil

[Jeff Van Gully]

I'm not a huge fan of giving Derrick Williams a 2 year deal at 5 mill per. You know he is going to opt in next year as well because nobody will offer him over 5 mill next offseason if they didn't this offseason. I like the other moves for going after two way players but this one is questionable to say the least.

I know we're thinking "Bass and Scola are available. What are we doing?" Look, those players are old and want to contend. We aren't in the running for those type of players who can still contribute to a playoff team. We need to take chances on young players with upside. I just feel Williams isn't the two way player that we needed.

Needless to say it looks like he'll start at the 4 for us. Let's hope he plays like he did in Zona.

you're looking at this deal all wrong. it's nearly comparable to vet minimum next year, and he has great incentive to play himself into position to make his first decent money next year, with a coach who knows and likes him.

to me, that's smart maanagement and the right way to leverage cheap deals.

It is not a minimum deal. If it was, it would be called minimum. We overpaid for an athletic dunker.

i said "comparable" to a minimum deal... meaning, think about it in terms of cap percentage. come next season, if he picks it up, it's not much. that's how most of this offseason's deals went. the $5m guys got $8-10. the $2m guys got $5 in some cases.

[HKSVIP]

Alan Anderson - 1 Year 4 million
Jason Smith - 1 Year 4.5 million

Don't think the D-Will contract is too bad.. People think we could've got him for peanuts.. I dont think thats the case..

Obviously Williams was targeted heavily by the team.. I am assuming they put a lot of research into this.. He can be a prototypical small ball 4.. Not comparing the 2 but in the right system theres no reason he cant be our version of Draymond Green on the offensive end (not comparing the defense so dont say Draymond on D is light years better, I am aware of that)

Draymond Green is an all defensive team defender. Derrick Williams was ranked the worst defender in the league. He needs to guard 4's. He can't keep up with 3's in the NBA.

lol did you read the last line..
Also btw Kyle Singler 5 years 25mil

Haha my bad I missed it. My brother Jonas got the same deal I believe.

[Jeff Van Gully]

you're looking at this deal all wrong. it's nearly comparable to vet minimum next year, and he has great incentive to play himself into position to make his first decent money next year, with a coach who knows and likes him.

to me, that's smart maanagement and the right way to leverage cheap deals.

It is not a minimum deal. If it was, it would be called minimum. We overpaid for an athletic dunker.

perhaps

we may have overpaid this year but most of your facts are wrong



next season the vet min, depending on years in the league, will be around 3 mil which is close to his 5 mil

Also other teams were interested in him this year

And lastly his upside is still high. Bigs in the league at 24 don't usually have their games figured out yet
If Williams can play for a contract and play well he could be a very solid player for us


Id have rather have other guys but here we are

that's exactly what i meant. and to add to that, i'm not going to question it until i see what they do with him. we also don't know what his market value was. teams don't overpay just because. sounds like they really wanted this kid for some reason, and $5m must have been what it cost to keep him close. next year he's going to be slightly above vet minimum, still young coming off of a high-end rookie deal.

even shved is being discussed for $2.8m, and not vet min. that has much to do with past earnings and the numerical value of the QO. his market value might be a little higher than the minimum. you also have to think about what it costs to keep him from a non-NBA offer too... if you really want him.

[HKSVIP]

you're looking at this deal all wrong. it's nearly comparable to vet minimum next year, and he has great incentive to play himself into position to make his first decent money next year, with a coach who knows and likes him.

to me, that's smart maanagement and the right way to leverage cheap deals.

It is not a minimum deal. If it was, it would be called minimum. We overpaid for an athletic dunker.

i said "comparable" to a minimum deal... meaning, think about it in terms of cap percentage. come next season, if he picks it up, it's not much. that's how most of this offseason's deals went. the $5m guys got $8-10. the $2m guys got $5 in some cases.

Yeah I understand the cap % will act the same as a near minimum deal, but that doesn't discount the fact that Williams is still a minimum player up to this point. We'll see if he's worth it.

[BallSacBounce]

We. Are. Not. Trading. Calderon.

Not unless we want another disaster. They always say you don't see the results from the triangle till the second year.

We're not starting a rookie in that spot unless Phil wants to tank again for a pick we don't own.

[Blue Ninja]

On Williams' defense: Although he was ranked terribly on defense by metrics last year, the year before that, he was actually ranked average or above average on defense by metrics. There was a lot of turmoil in Sacramento last year. Let's see if he gets back to two years ago or is closer to last year on defense.