Escobar, Cain, Odirizzi and Jeffress for Greinke+

[ReasonablySober]

It is indeed a PTBNL by according to Haudricourt and Hayman.

Love it. Absolutely awesome deal. Get a #1 caliber pitcher for two years without giving up any star players? Sign me up.

[MikeIsGood]

We gave up a lot. Lorenzo Cain is the toughest guy for me to part with. I wish we could have gotten it done without him, but I'm guessing that KC was firm that they wanted him. And why wouldn't they? Just sucks. I LOVED watching him. Now we have Blomez. Start Gomez; Bench Cain just turned into Start Gomez; Trade Cain.

BUT, our pitching rotation now looks freaking legit. At least legit in comparison to anyone other than the Phillies. It's hard to **** believe. We sure as hell better lock him up though. If we don't get him on an extension I will not be happy.

[wichmae]

Wow. So its Cain, Escobar, and Odorizzi with a PTBNL.

[wichmae]

I don't know how anyone can be opposed to this. Its an ace pitcher. A legit #1.

[MikeIsGood]

I just want to get him locked up. If we sign him to an extension I'm going to be giddy about our rotation. I just won't want a two-year rental.

[dbrodz7]

Here is a pretty good article talking about the trade and how our pitching staff rivals the Giants for second best in the NL now: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/ ... -the-gold/

Hard to argue with the move. Atleast Melvin is trying to correct the glaring flaw this team had. If we had an average pitching staff with our offense we would have atleast a shot at the playoffs. Now it appears we have an above average one so anything can happen. Maybe Roenicke won't end up being a lame duck manager after all.

[wichmae]

if the package we offered was indeed less than what others were offering does that mean mr anxiety disorder possibly told them he wanted to go to the low media scruntiny of Milwaukee?

They wanted Zimmerman, Storen and Espinosa from the Nats.

[livestrong4ever]

oh well, i am glad i am wrong on this issue.
after what happened a few years ago, i just try not to get excited when its just one blog reporting on it.

[Turk Nowitzki]

We gave up a lot. Lorenzo Cain is the toughest guy for me to part with. I wish we could have gotten it done without him, but I'm guessing that KC was firm that they wanted him. And why wouldn't they? Just sucks. I LOVED watching him.

This.

It really sucks that we aren't going to watch him blossom in Milwaukee.

[Captain Erv]

So what will our lineup look like?

2B Rickie Weeks
RF Corey Hart
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
3B Casey McGehee
SS Yuniesky Betancourt
CF Carlos Gomez/Chris Dickerson
C Jonathan Lucroy

[emunney]

I haven't been following baseball/the Brewers super closely the past few years, so pardon my ignorance with these questions:

Didn't we trade Hardy to give Escobar the SS spot? It's hard to have a problem with any trade that brings back an ace pitcher, but giving up two long term starters in the middle of the field in Escobar and Cain seems like a tough pill to swallow, along with two legitimate pitching prospects.

What does our lineup look like now, or is it one of those "the offseason isn't over yet" kind of deals?

If we still had Jack Z., I'd be really confident that we'd be able to keep the position players coming through the system and my ecstasy would be unmitigated. As it stands, this still seems like a good move, but there's also a real concern about what we're going to do with two of the most important everyday positions. What's the situation at CF and SS now? Betancourt at SS and Gomez at CF? Yikes, right?

[Turk Nowitzki]

Wow. So its Cain, Escobar, and Odorizzi with a PTBNL.

So the PTBNL has to be a top prospect that isn't on the 40-man roster? I can see where they might not want Jeffress since he's one slip up away from a lifetime ban.

[xTitan]

I would have rather parted with Jeffess than Odirizzi, Jefress will never be a starter IMO, and you can always find a closer.

This is Doug trying to save his job, the rotation looks excellent on paper, but if you don't extend Grienke, you are paying a steep price for a 1-2 year rental.....I like the deal, Cain and Escobar are replaceable IMO, Odirizzi, can be a star. I think the Brewers are desperate to find a CF and I would be interested in someone better than bentencourt, maybe they can get Renteria cheap....

[skitch815]

if the package we offered was indeed less than what others were offering does that mean mr anxiety disorder possibly told them he wanted to go to the low media scruntiny of Milwaukee?

They wanted Zimmerman, Storen and Espinosa from the Nats.

I think if the Brewers offer was indeed less, it says more that Zach was willing to waive his no trade clause for them and maybe not the others (at least the Nats).

Either way. Great pick up and great job by Breen and Wagner breaking this before the big boys. Could be a career maker for these guys.

[xTitan]

I haven't been following baseball/the Brewers super closely the past few years, so pardon my ignorance with these questions:

Didn't we trade Hardy to give Escobar the SS spot? It's hard to have a problem with any trade that brings back an ace pitcher, but giving up two long term starters in the middle of the field in Escobar and Cain seems like a tough pill to swallow, along with two legitimate pitching prospects.

What does our lineup look like now, or is it one of those "the offseason isn't over yet" kind of deals?

If we still had Jack Z., I'd be really confident that we'd be able to keep the position players coming through the system and my ecstasy would be unmitigated. As it stands, this still seems like a good move, but there's also a real concern about what we're going to do with two of the most important everyday positions. What's the situation at CF and SS now? Betancourt at SS and Gomez at CF? Yikes, right?

In the supposed "non-steroid" ers of baseball you win with pitching, preferrably young picthing.....you can find veteran everyday players who can defend and hit enough, they have bentencourt coming back, but like I said earlier perhaps a Renteria can be had on the cheap, you never know.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm not worried about the farm system. In Fielder and Greinke you have guys who would bring back two first rounders when they leave. If we're out of it in 2012 we can replenish the system by dealing Greinke, Marcom and Wolf.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I haven't been following baseball/the Brewers super closely the past few years, so pardon my ignorance with these questions:

Didn't we trade Hardy to give Escobar the SS spot? It's hard to have a problem with any trade that brings back an ace pitcher, but giving up two long term starters in the middle of the field in Escobar and Cain seems like a tough pill to swallow, along with two legitimate pitching prospects.

What does our lineup look like now, or is it one of those "the offseason isn't over yet" kind of deals?

If we still had Jack Z., I'd be really confident that we'd be able to keep the position players coming through the system and my ecstasy would be unmitigated. As it stands, this still seems like a good move, but there's also a real concern about what we're going to do with two of the most important everyday positions. What's the situation at CF and SS now? Betancourt at SS and Gomez at CF? Yikes, right?

All your concerns are valid. Betancourt and Gomez are definately "yikes" at SS and CF but getting somebody like Greinke who is in his prime and under control for 2 years is almost unprecedented if not that, then extremely rare.

Also, I know some about our minor league teams but others know a lot more. Do we basically have the worst farm system in baseball after this?

[xTitan]

So what will our lineup look like?

2B Rickie Weeks
RF Corey Hart
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
3B Casey McGehee
SS Yuniesky Betancourt
CF Carlos Gomez/Chris Dickerson
C Jonathan Lucroy

Move Lucroy up behind McGehee.....but I don't think the Brewers are done yet...the CF position is not good and there may be a better SS to have out there.

[Turk Nowitzki]

9:06am: Peter Gammons of the MLB Network indicates (via Twitter) that a player to be named later, rather than Jeffress, is heading to Kansas City. Escobar, Cain, and Odorizzi are still involved in the deal. SI.com's Jon Heyman confirms the names, noting that the trade just requires physicals and Bud Selig's approval, because of the money involved (Twitter links). Heyman adds (via Twitter) that the Royals were close to an agreement with Washington, but Greinke told the team he wouldn't accept a deal to the Nationals, who were on his no-trade list.

Very interesting stuff, Greinke wouldn't accept a deal to Washington, also saying that we're keeping Jeffress.

[xTitan]

I'm not worried about the farm system. In Fielder and Greinke you have guys who would bring back two first rounders when they leave. If we're out of it in 2012 we can replenish the system by dealing Greinke, Marcom and Wolf.

The Brewers didn't even get back a first rounder for CC, no promises Prince gets that back......plus the end of the first round picks have been pretty shaky, not real worried about Cain or Escobar to be honest.....it's Odirizzi and now this PTBNL. Can't complain about this deal though....the Brewers have a ton of $$$, please extend Greinke, then moving forward you have Greinke, Yo, Rodgers....wow.

Any CF lead off type hitters out there?