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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#141 » by Det the Threat » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:19 pm

WiscoKing13 wrote:How about this
Bogut
Sjax
Ersan

For
Jordan
Gomes
Foye
Minn first


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We traded that Minny pick in that CP3 deal.
I also doubt we'll trade Jordan right now, even though Bogut would be an upgrade. Jackson, on the other hand, wouldn't be all that great and his charakter isn't really what we need, especially with him then being a bench player and not the focal point of our offense.

rockymac52 wrote:Two quick trade ideas with the Wizards:

Bledsoe for Turiaf

Bledsoe + 2012 1st round pick for Blatche

Mack and/or Seraphin could probably be included in either of those trades as well if needed.

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Not trading Bledsoe for Turiaf and we don't have a first rounder this year, as we traded the Minny pick to NO and our own pick is owned by the Celtics, as long as it doesn't land in the top 10.
I also would not give up Bledsoe and a pick for Blatche and his long term contract.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#142 » by rockymac52 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:29 pm

What about something like...

Bledsoe for Turiaf and Seraphin

or

Bledsoe for Blatche (if your qualms about his long term contract are so severe that you wouldn't want to do this even without a theoretical draft pick, I understand)

Would you agree that Bledsoe has become incredibly expendable with Paul, Billups, Williams, and Foye all on the team? I don't know why you wouldn't trade him. If you are in fact trying to trade him, what types of players are you looking for in return?
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#143 » by thanumba2clippersfan » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:50 pm

I believe we are trying to keep Bledsoe for the future. We only have Billups signed for this season.(I hope he re-signs with us once the season is up) Mo Williams may not be happy with coming off the bench and may ask to be traded. So with uncertainty of the backup PG spot I think we need to keep him. Plus he is still cheap with his rookie deal.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#144 » by SportsFan215 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:05 pm

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:I believe we are trying to keep Bledsoe for the future. We only have Billups signed for this season.(I hope he re-signs with us once the season is up) Mo Williams may not be happy with coming off the bench and may ask to be traded. So with uncertainty of the backup PG spot I think we need to keep him. Plus he is still cheap with his rookie deal.


+1. I believe that it will be Mo that will be traded, not Bledsoe. Bledsoe will improve a lot, learning from CP3, just look at how Darren Collison improved in NOLA.
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Post#145 » by Spottieottie » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:34 pm

Rather than dump Mo Williams to the rival (I think?) Lakers for the TPE, why not to the Jazz for the same thing? We can trade you Mo for Harris straight up but I don't think you're interested in that.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#146 » by LOJ » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:39 am

Spottieottie wrote:Rather than dump Mo Williams to the rival (I think?) Lakers for the TPE, why not to the Jazz for the same thing? We can trade you Mo for Harris straight up but I don't think you're interested in that.


We're not giving away Mo for TPE, let alone to the Lakers. Devin Harris is only but a shadow of his former self on the Nets, he's been horrible.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#147 » by jgustav1 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:51 am

SportsFan215 wrote:
thanumba2clippersfan wrote:I believe we are trying to keep Bledsoe for the future. We only have Billups signed for this season.(I hope he re-signs with us once the season is up) Mo Williams may not be happy with coming off the bench and may ask to be traded. So with uncertainty of the backup PG spot I think we need to keep him. Plus he is still cheap with his rookie deal.


+1. I believe that it will be Mo that will be traded, not Bledsoe. Bledsoe will improve a lot, learning from CP3, just look at how Darren Collison improved in NOLA.


I don't see why they would move Bledsoe at all with Foye coming off the books at the end of the season. Mo may be traded, but I doubt it will happen before the end of the season due to the compressed schedule. It is a good luxury to have him available to spell both Billups and Paul off the bench. Ralph mentioned they will be playing 20 games in 30 days for a stretch in March.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#148 » by og15 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:53 pm

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:I believe we are trying to keep Bledsoe for the future. We only have Billups signed for this season.(I hope he re-signs with us once the season is up) Mo Williams may not be happy with coming off the bench and may ask to be traded. So with uncertainty of the backup PG spot I think we need to keep him. Plus he is still cheap with his rookie deal.
Looking into the future, I'm not sure I'm that big on Billups coming back as the SG. I think one would have to examine what is available and make a move from there. It's nice having two playmakers in the backcourt, but Billups is just not good enough overall on offense, and too bad on defense to be brought back as the starting SG.

As of right now, SG is the teams weakest position defensively (SF is not that great either IMO), and I mean part of that is Billups. Foye is probably the best SG defender out of all the guards. He would be a great cheap option to keep as a backup PG/SG if he was actually an efficient offensive player, but Bledsoe is around too.

Four guys that really interest me are:
Courtney Lee
Jordan Hill
Corey Brewer
Robin Lopez

Corey Brewer is good defensively, seemingly has learned to shoot over 41% from the field (I'm assuming that has meant abandoning pull up mid-range jumpers), and also seemingly has become a decent 3PT shooter, but I'd need a bigger sample size. Problem with him is that I don't really see any workable scenario for getting him.

Courtney Lee has defensive potential, and does some good things on defense, but I'm not necessarily convinced that he an overall good defensive player. He has a lot of the tools for the kind of SG the Clippers need. A guy that can start and play in the 20 MPG range, who can shoot from outside (not the best this year, but that's okay), handle the ball a little, is willing to defend, and getting the right shots will be efficient. This allows you to have a Mo Williams off the bench in a Terry role is you want.

Jordan Hill can play PF/C, he can defend decently well, he can rebound, he has some scoring ability, and outside of the 17 games this season, he shoots FT's over 67% most of the time. Playing the right role he can be a high efficiency scorer for you off the bench, while giving you good rebounding, and above average defense outside of his fouling issues. I believe Houston didn't pick up his option, so if something could be worked with him and Lee, after the season, that would be cool.

Robin Lopez. It's always nice to have another 7'0 player off the bench, but of course being 7'0 tall and not super sucky, one can never be sure how the market will play out. If Gortat who people saw as being better only got about $7 million / year, then Lopez should be a possible addition in the $5-6 million / year range as the main backup big man. But it would depend on what else is out there etc. I don't think a trade is possible for him unless Phoenix had any interest in Foye.

Another guy I wouldn't mind trading for is Ersan Ilyasova. He's a very good and scrappy defensive player, he's a stretch big that also rebounds very well. He's not much of a C, which is the only problem because putting him and Griffin together on the floor would have him playing C, but he does have SF playing ability too, so that's another option. He's also only 24 years old, but I do believe that the Bucks like him a lot, so I don't know what could be worked out there.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#149 » by BballerShotCaller » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:51 am

I would NOT trade Mo Williams from this team, this season,..
or even anytime in the foreseeable future.

Mo Williams fits and plays his role very well for this team so far.
He can be confident that he has an important job to perform in
his current role. When he plays well in his current role they are
a very tough cover.

The pressure is not on Mo and he can thrive in this role.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#150 » by Det the Threat » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:45 am

og15 wrote:
As of right now, SG is the teams weakest position defensively (SF is not that great either IMO), and I mean part of that is Billups. Foye is probably the best SG defender out of all the guards. He would be a great cheap option to keep as a backup PG/SG if he was actually an efficient offensive player, but Bledsoe is around too.


You're right that we don't really have a sg and that's our weakest position, especially for next season.

og15 wrote:Four guys that really interest me are:
Courtney Lee
Jordan Hill
Corey Brewer
Robin Lopez

Corey Brewer is good defensively, seemingly has learned to shoot over 41% from the field (I'm assuming that has meant abandoning pull up mid-range jumpers), and also seemingly has become a decent 3PT shooter, but I'd need a bigger sample size. Problem with him is that I don't really see any workable scenario for getting him.


Brewer would be nice, but(like you've said) probably not available for us. At least during the season.

og15 wrote:Courtney Lee has defensive potential, and does some good things on defense, but I'm not necessarily convinced that he an overall good defensive player. He has a lot of the tools for the kind of SG the Clippers need. A guy that can start and play in the 20 MPG range, who can shoot from outside (not the best this year, but that's okay), handle the ball a little, is willing to defend, and getting the right shots will be efficient. This allows you to have a Mo Williams off the bench in a Terry role is you want.


Lee would be great and with Houston having all those wing players, there might be a chance we could get him for some 2nd rounders(ours or those Hornets 2nd rounders in 2015) or a future first.
He's a great defender and able to knock down shots, like he showed with the Magic when they made it to the finals.
Though, he'll be a restricted free agent and maybe someone we could go after in this years free agency.

og15 wrote:Jordan Hill can play PF/C, he can defend decently well, he can rebound, he has some scoring ability, and outside of the 17 games this season, he shoots FT's over 67% most of the time. Playing the right role he can be a high efficiency scorer for you off the bench, while giving you good rebounding, and above average defense outside of his fouling issues. I believe Houston didn't pick up his option, so if something could be worked with him and Lee, after the season, that would be cool.


Hill would be a very good backup PF/C, but he would cost us at least Bledsoe or a first rounder.
I even think that he won't be available soon from the Rockets, as they'll probably start looking to rebuild around Lowry and younger guys, as they can't win anything with that Scola/Martin combo.

og15 wrote:Robin Lopez. It's always nice to have another 7'0 player off the bench, but of course being 7'0 tall and not super sucky, one can never be sure how the market will play out. If Gortat who people saw as being better only got about $7 million / year, then Lopez should be a possible addition in the $5-6 million / year range as the main backup big man. But it would depend on what else is out there etc. I don't think a trade is possible for him unless Phoenix had any interest in Foye.


No thanks to Fropez.
The guy is 7 foot tall, but can't rebound a lick, gets pushed out of position by smaller guys and doesn't have an offensive game at all.
He might be nice as a third string center, but nothing more.

Any team paying him 5 - 6 million a year will regret doing so.

og15 wrote:Another guy I wouldn't mind trading for is Ersan Ilyasova. He's a very good and scrappy defensive player, he's a stretch big that also rebounds very well. He's not much of a C, which is the only problem because putting him and Griffin together on the floor would have him playing C, but he does have SF playing ability too, so that's another option. He's also only 24 years old, but I do believe that the Bucks like him a lot, so I don't know what could be worked out there.


Ilyasova would be nice, but I'm not sure if he's really into that whole NBA thing.
Every year there are rumors that he doesn't really like it in the states and would rather play in europe again.

A guy we might be able to get on the cheap would be Houston's Terrence Williams. They traded for him last season and he's hardly playing at all for them.
He's under contract till 2013, able to defend some and could help at and add some size at the 2/3 positions.

BTW:
For free agency, I would look into those guys.

SG:
Ray Allen
Mikael Pietrus
CJ Miles
Brandon Rush

Power Forwards:
Jason Thompson
Ronny Turiaf
Ian Mahinmi

Centers:
Omer Asik
Semih Erden
Kyrilo Fesenko
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#151 » by Det the Threat » Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:16 pm

Some guy on the trade boards had a pretty good idea.

His trade was Mo Williams for Wesley Matthews.

Matthews hasn't shot the ball all too well so far this season, but he's able to do so(especially with a guy like CP3 and him not being asked to put the ball on the deck) and a very good defender.
He's also under contract till 2015 and makes $6,135,160 this year, $6,505,320 next season, $6,875,480 in 2013/14 and $7,245,640 in 2014/15.

I would envision him taking over the starting spot at sg next season and providing defense, while hitting some open shots at a pretty decent value $ wise.

To make salaries work they'd have to throw in something else, which I think would be a guy like Luke Babbitt.
He's a shooter, but hasn't hit his jumpers so far in the league and in the 2nd year of his rookie contract.
We could try to trade him for a 2nd rounder or just cut him, if we don't think he can contribute(I don't think he'll be in the league very long) to the team at all.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6012970

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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#152 » by LOJ » Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:50 pm

It doesn't make sense for Portland Det, I know they would start Crawful as their starting 2 guard, but what other guards would they play off the bench? Felton as their full time back-up 2?

Also, I doubt Billups will want to come off the bench without throwing a fit.
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Post#153 » by Neddy » Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:58 am

i agree with LoJ. i don't see why portland would #1 want to trade with a conference rival and #2 trade for a pricey PG when they already have felton on their payroll, #3 wesley and crawford fits their system just fine, i don't know if Mo does.

i live in oregon and pretty familiar with the blazers and even though they aren't winning the way they started this season, i hear no grumbling from their fans or their FO.
ehhhhh f it.
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Post#154 » by LOJ » Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:54 pm

Our only true SF is Caron and he's injured atm. I was thinking who can we trade with around the league that seems realistic, and the first team that came to my mind were the Pistons. They aren't going anywhere for a while, and signed Prince to that contract when they had no need to do it. Well now thinking about it, they can get at least a pick out of Prince, and some good expirings.

Something along the lines of Foye + Gomes + 2012 1st for Prince + filler? I think Prince has a trade kicker too, not sure about that. Maybe even try to get Maxiell off of them since he's an expiring and not playing too well?

What do you guys think? Prince would be perfect for us coming off the bench, as he can be play SF, and PF for us at times, is a good defender, and will bring more versatility off the bench.

Paul/Mo/Bledsoe
Billups/Mo/Leslie
Butler/Prince/D-league filler
Griffin/Prince/Thompkins
Jordan/Evans/Jones

We can keep a tight 9 man rotation of Paul, Billups, Butler, Griffin, Jordan, Mo, Prince, Evans, and Jones. In the playoffs we can even reduce it to 8, since the starters play more minutes. I would go to war with this team. I presented this trade on the Pistons board, and they were very open to it. Imagine if we sign Martin then? We become the deepest team in the league.

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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#155 » by Det the Threat » Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:11 pm

We don't have a first round pick in this years draft, as long as we don't trade for one.

The Minny pick is now in New Orleans, thanks to that CP3 trade.
Our own pick is now being held by the Celtics. We first traded the pick to OKC during the 2010 draft for Eric Bledsoe and they traded the pick, alongside Jeff Green, for Kendrick Perkins.

I also wouldn't trade for Prince and his four year contract with Butler already on the team.

We've just got to rotate guys in and I'm ok with Gomes, Foye or eve Mo taking over those minutes, as long as Butler's out.
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Post#156 » by LOJ » Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:29 pm

We're going to get exposed eventually with that small guard line-up of playing 3 point guards at once. Having Mo, Prince, Martin, and Evans off the bench would make us the deepest team in the league.
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Post#157 » by buckaroo » Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:46 am

With Bledsoe back, I think the obvious trade is to package Foye and Gomes and trade them to a team who would like to have Foye's $4M+ off their books next year. With the drama Stephen Jackson is facing in MIL right now, a Foye and Gomes for Jackson trade wouldn't be the worst. Jackson has this season and next season at $9M+ which isn't great. He is old (33). And he is a bit of a nut case. But, he has good length 6'8" G/F, will come off the bench, is supposed to be a great locker room guy even if he is a headcase, and can score inside and out and plays solid defense.

PG - CP3/Bledsoe
SG - Billups/Mo
SF - Butler/Jackson
PF - Blake/Kenyon
C - DJ/Reggie

That roster gives you a lot of versatility to go big and play Butler and Jackson at SG and SF if you need to. Go really big and play Martin at SF for a few minutes. Go small with a 3 or even 4 guard line-up.
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Post#158 » by LOJ » Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:23 am

I actually forgot about Jax, nice idea buckaroo I like it
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#159 » by ClipperDomination » Fri Feb 3, 2012 7:10 pm

Chase Budinger has fallen out of the Rocket's rotation. He's a 2/3 athletic hybrid that would fit in PERFECTLY with this team.

The question is what the Clippers can give up for him, or what Houston would want in return.
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Post#160 » by Det the Threat » Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:47 pm

buckaroo wrote:With Bledsoe back, I think the obvious trade is to package Foye and Gomes and trade them to a team who would like to have Foye's $4M+ off their books next year. With the drama Stephen Jackson is facing in MIL right now, a Foye and Gomes for Jackson trade wouldn't be the worst. Jackson has this season and next season at $9M+ which isn't great. He is old (33). And he is a bit of a nut case. But, he has good length 6'8" G/F, will come off the bench, is supposed to be a great locker room guy even if he is a headcase, and can score inside and out and plays solid defense.

PG - CP3/Bledsoe
SG - Billups/Mo
SF - Butler/Jackson
PF - Blake/Kenyon
C - DJ/Reggie

That roster gives you a lot of versatility to go big and play Butler and Jackson at SG and SF if you need to. Go really big and play Martin at SF for a few minutes. Go small with a 3 or even 4 guard line-up.


No thanks to Jackson.

He's a black hole on offense and sucking pretty big for a couple of years now.
He's stopping ball movement on offense and can't hit 40% of his shots.
While playing so badly and being 33 years of age, he still cried about wanting a new contract while his current one still has this and next season covered and him being 35 by then.

Those things combined don't make for a real good bench player and I wouldn't want to throw away a chance at some other free agents this summer just to have him on the team.

ClipperDomination wrote:Chase Budinger has fallen out of the Rocket's rotation. He's a 2/3 athletic hybrid that would fit in PERFECTLY with this team.

The question is what the Clippers can give up for him, or what Houston would want in return.


Budinger would be nice, but I'm not sure if he's really that available.
McHale doesn't really know how to play at the 3 spot and he always rotates between Budinger and Parsons, with Terrence Williams(who I wouldn't mind and who's still on his rookie deal till 2013) being totally left out.

I guess Bledsoe wouldn't be too high on their list, with Lowry, Dragic and Flynn already on that roster, but maybe they'd give us Budinger or Williams for a couple of 2nd rounders and/or Leslie.

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