[Camelo Thread Part 18] - Al Iannazone (Nets Are Back Pg 77)

[Ray Williams]

pg billups
sg fields
sf melo
pf stat
c mozzy

thats a title condender in the east.

this nails the 4th seed in the East with authority. Title contender? Naaah.

I'd like to take a shot with that team.Most teams have problems with the cheat because of their defense.Carmelo torches leclown Amare' at the 4 would break Bosh in half.Our main problem would be brittle Wade.Billups is better than any PG they have. I think we could take them.

[Knicker23]

Well, we are a two time defending champ, and changing chemistry and team makeup midseason isn't a sure bet for anything, not to mention Bynum and Gasol would be our greatest advantage over donut hole Miami.

That's just it isn't it though, perspective. You can't compare your situation to ours. Let's not act like you are breaking up a championship team with dynastic potential here

I agree. people act like giving up a few young guys for Melo would disrupt some long rebuilding process of greatness that we have the potential for.... they aren't scrubs but come on now - i'd rather rebuild a team with Melo and Amare than with Amare and a few role pieces any day of the week....... now the situation warrants being pushed till the last minute for us, but none of these guys are worth not getting him, and pushing to the last minute leaves the most amount of time to not get him.

[seren]

You mean the Boston team that loss to the Lakers that didn't have Bynum because he was hurt? But then again they'll have Shaq. He sure killed it in the playoffs last year

Well now I have to call you out.

He played in all playoff games you idiot.

[johnnywishbone]

Well, we are a two time defending champ, and changing chemistry and team makeup midseason isn't a sure bet for anything, not to mention Bynum and Gasol would be our greatest advantage over donut hole Miami.

That's just it isn't it though, perspective. You can't compare your situation to ours. Let's not act like you are breaking up a championship team with dynastic potential here

Kobe has played a lot of years and Bynum has never made it out of a season without an injury (might be wrong on that count but it's close enough) and you don't want to get an all-star starter who is the best guy in the league in head-to-head matches with Lebron because you are worried about chemistry? I thought Phil Jackson is a genius who creates chemistry?

[knicks9784]

Well, we are a two time defending champ, and changing chemistry and team makeup midseason isn't a sure bet for anything, not to mention Bynum and Gasol would be our greatest advantage over donut hole Miami.

That's just it isn't it though, perspective. You can't compare your situation to ours. Let's not act like you are breaking up a championship team with dynastic potential here

nicely played lol

though i still dont believe that this bynum for melo deal was anywhere close to being done or even seriously considered in any way

[cgf]

Well, we are a two time defending champ, and changing chemistry and team makeup midseason isn't a sure bet for anything, not to mention Bynum and Gasol would be our greatest advantage over donut hole Miami.

That's just it isn't it though, perspective. You can't compare your situation to ours. Let's not act like you are breaking up a championship team with dynastic potential here

No, but this team is much more comparable to the lakers team that added Pau Gasol for one good but under the radar prospect (Marc Gasol), one former high end prospect who's become a journey man (Kwame), cap space and 2 first rounders. At the time you had one top 10 player (Kobe) and one guy who was an established good palyer, but not a star by any stretch and some mediocre youth.

How is that that different from the knicks offer which nets Denver one under-the-radar prospect (Chandler/Gallo/Fields/Mozzie), one former lottery underachiever (Brewer), 2 picks (AR pick n a future first from us) and cap space. Hell that's an offer very similar to the one we were rumored to have offered and given Melo's affinity for NYC is more well publicized than Pau's for LA was at the time I don't see why we shouldn't be patient and use our superior leverage.

[Future Soldier]

the Heat play much better D than we do. We won't get past them until we find a coach who comes up with a similar defensive gameplan. This isn't some game of NBA 2K where you match up players and think you can win based of PPG. In the real world, defense trumps offense 100% of the time in the playoffs. Mike will have to go eventually.

[johnnywishbone]

I don't want to embarrass you but at least google before saying something that stupid.

You right he made the difference: http://www.nba.com/games/20100617/BOSLA ... GIboxscore

[jonny31623]

Chicago told Denver, NOAH is off limits.

If dantoni and Walsh see Gallo and fields as such important piece. Just put it in the media that there off limits. That makes there trade value go up and it makes the nuggets have to find another type of deal.

We all know that denver has to trade melo. Any notion of them saying that they will be keeping him is them just being stupid.

Chandler, felton, Curry, 1st rounder (randolf) is about as much i would give for melo and chauncey.

Sometimes the media really really screws us into what we want. We all just need to be patient. Melo will be a knick. Its inevitable.

[JollyJoker]

Laker Fan does have a point because there is no reason for Denver to take on New Yorks players if they feel they cannot build around them in the future. You take a step back in for the moment and ask yourself if you think that you can build with these players in to championship. The answer is NO.

The trick for the knicks is how to get Melo with still maintaining that opportunity to win a championship. Clearly knicks fans are great at thinking of trades but never have any every thought of winning a championship because of the recent rukus with GMs dealing from weakness. Now New York is finally dealing from a position of strength because Melo really wants to be in New York. Not even Lebron Bosh or Wade picked Nyk. You finally have another star not named Amare that is willing to play in a pressure situation. The only other superstar not afraid could be the Lakers Kobe.

If Denver is set on wanting Gallinari and Felton let them have their wish but New York should et a good filler back and revoke the 1st rounder. My argument here is Feltons production earlier this year plus his upside and age is worth revoking this 1st rounder. If you want Mozgov then you can have him with azubukie and the knicks will take on JR Smith. Since they are rebuilding they are oing to have to look at it as they save 14 mil in cap.

That 1st rounder is worth 14 mil. Denver gets their player NYk retains some assets. The next thing is to figure what to do with billups and his contract in free agency as there will be a glaring hole at PG. It means that NYK will lose all ability to target another bonafide big man and will target a superstar star pg.

[Bklyn&company]

Donnie Get Minn involved!!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=48czswz

NYK Gets:
Melo
Billups
Telfair

Den Gets:
Gallo
Felton
Curry
Mogov or Turiaf
Brewer
Koufos
and a Minn 1st rd

Minn Gets:
AR
A.Harrington

Den does it because - they get a young SF(Gallo), younger PG(Felton) and front court depth (only three active bigmen currently on the roster), they get huge and young(Mozgov and Koufos), they get salary dumps(Curry and Brewer) and they get a first round pick(Minn) and they get rid of Harrington's long term contact. This deal is even a better deal than the Nets deal.

Minn does it because - they get proving scoring forwards in A.Harrington and A.R for a 1st round pick. This lessens the scoring pressure on K.Love and Beasley. AR improves their interior D which they are terrible at. A.Harrington provides instant O (selfishness) off the bench maybe even as a starter next to K.Love and Beasley.

NY does it because - we get a proving scorer(Melo) and a Veteran, Leader, and level head Championship PG in Billups. Will run this team better than Felton. We also basically dump all our long term contracts(Gallo, Felton and Mozgov,) and leaving only Stats, Melo, Billups, TD, Fields under contract. We also get a true backup PG in Telfair and keep our 1st round pick.

Den will bite, this is too good to pass up.

Melo
Chandler
Stats
Fields
Billups

[seren]

I don't want to embarrass you but at least google before saying something that stupid.

You right he made the difference: http://www.nba.com/games/20100617/BOSLA ... GIboxscore

Backpedalling? You should probably edit your previous posts to cover up the tracks. Bynum played in each and every single playoff game last year.

[johnnywishbone]

You mean the Boston team that loss to the Lakers that didn't have Bynum because he was hurt? But then again they'll have Shaq. He sure killed it in the playoffs last year

Well now I have to call you out.

He played in all playoff games you idiot.

He was hurt. And played on a bad knee. Here are the stats numb nuts.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrew_by ... stats.html

[LakerLegend]

No, but this team is much more comparable to the lakers team that added Pau Gasol for one good but under the radar prospect (Marc Gasol), one former high end prospect who's become a journey man (Kwame), cap space and 2 first rounders. At the time you had one top 10 player (Kobe) and one guy who was an established good palyer, but not a star by any stretch and some mediocre youth.

We had the best record in the league when Bynum went down, right before trading for Gasol.

[seren]

You mean the Boston team that loss to the Lakers that didn't have Bynum because he was hurt? But then again they'll have Shaq. He sure killed it in the playoffs last year

Well now I have to call you out.

He played in all playoff games you idiot.

He was hurt. And played on a bad knee. Here are the stats numb nuts.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrew_by ... stats.html

So now we are going from "didn't have Bynum" to he played on a bad knee.

Go on go on. You are almost there. Next time watch a NBA game before passing judgments on players, will ya? This is not nba 2k. You are not winning a ring with cp3/wade/kobe/lbj/melo/. You need a center, you need a PF etc. etc.

[GONYK]

pg billups
sg fields
sf melo
pf stat
c mozzy

thats a title condender in the east.

this nails the 4th seed in the East with authority. Title contender? Naaah.

I think we'd be able to give any team in the league a run with that lineup.... and not in the 'we'd need to get real lucky, opposing team have an off-night' type way like it is now... I think we'd legit go into most games expecting to win... now fields isn't a huge point producer, and Moz still needs to settle in, so it would be a work in progress... but come playoffs, I think we'd be looking good..

Miami and Boston will have the edge no matter who we give up / get, but Boston is only getting worse in terms of future, and Miami has James and Wade so you can't rightly compare them on paper to most teams in the league .. but aside from those two, I see no reason why we wouldn't be able to beat Magic/Bulls/Hawks

And you never know what's going to happen in the playoffs.. for all we know some random team can knock boston out or miami... then i'd say we're sitting pretty nicely with a Melo and Amare coming at you.....what other teams beside the heat could say they have two starting all stars? And while James is obviously the best, one can argue our tandem would be better on the offensive side than theirs...... Melo is second to none in scoring, and we've seen what Amare can do...... then you put those two, together, in this offensive system - if nothing else we'd run a lot of teams out.... and not just in a gimmicky way.... throw Billups' experience, composure - we'd be good.

We have no bench. That team isn't winning any chips.

[kane2021]

The majority of the last 2 pages is arguing about the lakers. Please fellas, cool out.

[kane2021]

Carmelo Anthony Deal Nixed by Knicks, Newspaper Reports

The Knicks may be struggling on the court but apparently they're not willing to mortgage their future for Carmelo Anthony.

According to the New York Daily News, the Knicks rejected a deal that would have landed them the Nuggets star, deciding the asking price was too "steep." Indeed the Nuggets were asking for a lot: Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Eddy Curry and at least one first-round pick, according to the newspaper. (The Knicks would have also received Chauncey Billups).

Apparently team president Donnie Walsh and coach Mike D'Antoni both agreed the price was too high.

The newspaper reports that a deal may still get done before the Feb. 24 trade deadline but the Nuggets would have to lower their demands.

Trade rumors have linked Anthony to numerous teams, including the Nets, Lakers, Mavericks and Rockets. But according to the Daily News report, New York and Chicago are now the leading contenders to get the All-Star forward.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-2 ... 91697.html

[GONYK]

Carmelo Anthony Deal Nixed by Knicks, Newspaper Reports

The Knicks may be struggling on the court but apparently they're not willing to mortgage their future for Carmelo Anthony.

According to the New York Daily News, the Knicks rejected a deal that would have landed them the Nuggets star, deciding the asking price was too "steep." Indeed the Nuggets were asking for a lot: Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Eddy Curry and at least one first-round pick, according to the newspaper. (The Knicks would have also received Chauncey Billups).

Apparently team president Donnie Walsh and coach Mike D'Antoni both agreed the price was too high.

The newspaper reports that a deal may still get done before the Feb. 24 trade deadline but the Nuggets would have to lower their demands.

Trade rumors have linked Anthony to numerous teams, including the Nets, Lakers, Mavericks and Rockets. But according to the Daily News report, New York and Chicago are now the leading contenders to get the All-Star forward.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-2 ... 91697.html

That was not the deal

[aggo]

well the ball is in our court now

we orchestrated the chandler-minn-brewer angle and they countered with this.

a deal will get done. Denver would almost never propose a fair trade unless it was the 11th hour.