Top 10 Centers

[grimballer]

height: scola 6'9, hayes 6'6
defended by: scola = c, hayes = pf
defends: scola = pf, hayes = c

2 outta 3 favors scola.

usually i wouldnt consider him a c, but with rockets starting 6'6 hayes next to him, why not?

I agree he played center a lot this season, however it does not make him or Amare a center on my top10 list.

Scola is a typical sized powerforward with classical skillset of powerforward, he played center not because it was most favorable to the team, it was because Yao was out and rest of centers either were bad or injured as well.

i agree with u, but you are what you play.

or better yet, you are whom you play against.

scola played most of his minutes with hayes on the floor.

with that lineup other teams would put their c on scola.

therefore scola posted his numbers this year mostly vs other nba c.

so why would u comapre him to kg, griffin, boozer, if he was defended by howard, bynum, noah?

[grimballer]

height: scola 6'9, hayes 6'6
defended by: scola = c, hayes = pf
defends: scola = pf, hayes = c

2 outta 3 favors scola.

usually i wouldnt consider him a c, but with rockets starting 6'6 hayes next to him, why not?

I agree he played center a lot this season, however it does not make him or Amare a center on my top10 list.

Scola is a typical sized powerforward with classical skillset of powerforward, he played center not because it was most favorable to the team, it was because Yao was out and rest of centers either were bad or injured as well.

What?

Scola did not play one minute of center this entire season, and height isn't the all-dominating factor in a center. Chuck can play center, as while he's shorter, he's tougher and is bigger and stronger. I mean, Chris Bosh is taller than Ben Wallace, but which one would you call a center? Hayes was the center, than Jordan Hill/Brad Miller, and heck Patterson in spot minutes. Never ever, Scola.

it depends what your definition of a c.

if u go strictly by boxscores, sure then scla is pf, but so is duncan.

if u go by matchups, then which one?

on d hayes was defending other team c, but on offense other team c was on scola. scolas 18 ppg was mostly vs other teams c.

which one is u go by?

[Jvaughn]

What does a person being a selfish player have to do with defense and rebounding? Boozer steals rebounds from his teammates on a regular basis, but it doesn't stop Noah from averaging a double double, nor does it stop Deng from grabbing near 7rpg from the SF spot.

I'm not about to hold more weight to a 13 game sample than I am over a 82 game sample. He rebounded well for a fraction of the season. What does me being a Bulls fan have to do with it at all? I'm not arguing Noah should be on the top of the list. He started off the season as one of the top 3-5 C's in the league, then injury made him plummet. I don't think he finished the season as a top C. My problem with Gasol has nothing to do with him. It has to do with the fact that outside of offensive production, he doesn't give you enough at the C spot to be ranked that high. He's got to be closer to 10 than he is to top 5. No way I can rank him above: Dwight, Bogut, Bynum, Horford, Noah, Nene or Chandler.

So the 9.3 last season was a fluke?

And I'd rather look at a sample from the playoffs... 13 games no less (not a 4 game sweep or something) where the pressure and intensity is at its peak. I'm not comparing preseason.

And I don't think his offense is even what makes me rank him so high.. it's his ability to fit with his teammates, his IQ, his passing, and above average defense (in the post) and above average offense.

Gasol is going to be one of the highest paid FA's this off-season, and I bet he makes as much or more than Nene.. and certainly Chandler. Two guys in your list, and that should tell you something...

Seeing as how it was a much higher number than the other two years where he hasn't been over 7rpg, yeah. I'd say that is the definition of a fluke.

You'd rather cherry pick stats from the playoffs, and weight them more heavily than a 82 game sample. Doesn't seem like an agenda at all. I don't see Gasol getting paid as much as you're assuming for a few reasons. 1.) The cap will most likely be lower, and his salary won't be comparable to players that are producing similarly right now. 2.) I don't see him leaving MEM, and MEM can't keep affording to overpay players. (Conley, Gay, Randolph).

But all of that is irrelevant since salary doesn't determine a players on court worth. Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Corey Maggette, Ben Gordon, Drew Gooden, and Charlie Villuaneva make way too much money for their real worth.

[Trader_Joe]

Seeing as how it was a much higher number than the other two years where he hasn't been over 7rpg, yeah. I'd say that is the definition of a fluke.

You'd rather cherry pick stats from the playoffs, and weight them more heavily than a 82 game sample. Doesn't seem like an agenda at all. I don't see Gasol getting paid as much as you're assuming for a few reasons. 1.) The cap will most likely be lower, and his salary won't be comparable to players that are producing similarly right now. 2.) I don't see him leaving MEM, and MEM can't keep affording to overpay players. (Conley, Gay, Randolph).

But all of that is irrelevant since salary doesn't determine a players on court worth. Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Corey Maggette, Ben Gordon, Drew Gooden, and Charlie Villuaneva make way too much money for their real worth.

If Chandler, Nene and Gasol are all free agents during the same summer, any team with cap space has the ability to pay them what they want. We are not comparing players of different positions in different free agency periods.

If Gasol is paid more than Chandler and Nene, it will be because some GMs think he is better/worth more than the others.

BTW.. is yours top 10 list in this thread?
Is it that much different than mine, other than Noah being in the top 5 and above Gasol?

Here.. now you can argue with others:

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1126552

I started a poll in the players comparison thread.

[Doormatt]

Wow bull fans chill. I'm just one guy who prefers gasol to Noah. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Indeed, i too prefer Gasol to Noah. i think it will only become more obvious which player is better as time goes on...

[Jvaughn]

Seeing as how it was a much higher number than the other two years where he hasn't been over 7rpg, yeah. I'd say that is the definition of a fluke.

You'd rather cherry pick stats from the playoffs, and weight them more heavily than a 82 game sample. Doesn't seem like an agenda at all. I don't see Gasol getting paid as much as you're assuming for a few reasons. 1.) The cap will most likely be lower, and his salary won't be comparable to players that are producing similarly right now. 2.) I don't see him leaving MEM, and MEM can't keep affording to overpay players. (Conley, Gay, Randolph).

But all of that is irrelevant since salary doesn't determine a players on court worth. Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Corey Maggette, Ben Gordon, Drew Gooden, and Charlie Villuaneva make way too much money for their real worth.

If Chandler, Nene and Gasol are all free agents during the same summer, any team with cap space has the ability to pay them what they want. We are not comparing players of different positions in different free agency periods.

If Gasol is paid more than Chandler and Nene, it will be because some GMs think he is better/worth more than the others.

Little thing called the Gilbert Arenas rule. No team can pay him whatever they want. He'll have a max cap, and can't be paid more than that cap. Chandler and Nene have been in the league longer and can get paid more.

For the sake of keeping this thread alive, I'll just say agree to disagree.

[Trader_Joe]

Little thing called the Gilbert Arenas rule. No team can pay him whatever they want. He'll have a max cap, and can't be paid more than that cap. Chandler and Nene have been in the league longer and can get paid more.

For the sake of keeping this thread alive, I'll just say agree to disagree.

As I said, any team with enough cap can afford their choice of these 3 players.
Their pay scale should be similar. I think Gasol will get paid the most of those 3.