Which team has the brightest future?

[76ciology]

The Jazz have the youngest and most inexperienced roster in the league, and are doing better than most of the teams in this poll.

Just sayin'.






Bucks are doing way better though, and are just barely any older. Idk why they're not on this poll. They should be getting talked about a lot more.

You see any players in the Jazz roster being perenial all-stars? Favors and Hayward have toppish ceiling. Burke and Exum looks average. There's Gobert, but how much better can he get?

How much better can Gobert get?!? IDK, he is 22, freakishly large, and just blew away all the best Rookies and Sophmores, including Wiggins, hence probably the best big in the last 2 drafts. Right now, I wouldn't trade Gobert for Noel and Embiid.

Well, Noel is 21 and is currently playing better than Gobert. Well, I wouldn't trade McGee and the Lakers' pick next year for Gobert. That pick could land us Thon Maker.

[Edrees]

Well Phoenix gets the most sunshine out of all these teams so Ill pick them as brightest future

[pistonsbball]

Utah is building a nice team, that includes Snyder who has shown to be a great young coach so far. Gobert's defense is the kind of thing you can build a contender around.

[Prokorov]

i think its the bucks.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

You see any players in the Jazz roster being perenial all-stars? Favors and Hayward have toppish ceiling. Burke and Exum looks average. There's Gobert, but how much better can he get?

How much better can Gobert get?!? IDK, he is 22, freakishly large, and just blew away all the best Rookies and Sophmores, including Wiggins, hence probably the best big in the last 2 drafts. Right now, I wouldn't trade Gobert for Noel and Embiid.

Well, Noel is 21 and is currently playing better than Gobert. Well, I wouldn't trade McGee and the Lakers' pick next year for Gobert. That pick could land us Thon Maker.

I'd like you to make any case that Nerlens is outplaying Gobert. In what freaking universe would that even be close to being true?? Seriously, if you could make an argument that is even somewhat compelling, i'd call you the Johnny Cochrane of this generation. I'd also then allow you to argue on my behalf in any debate on any subject at anytime now or in the future until the day that I die.

Noel:
8.4 ppg (9.9 per 36)
7.1 rpg
1.8 bpg
1.6 apg (.2 more per 36)
1.9 TOPG
44.7 FG% (terrible for a big man)
56.5 FT%
30.2 mpg
PER = 12.71 (below average for a big man)
Allows opponents to shoot 46% at the rim (respectable, same percentage as Favors, Lopez, Draymond, and Sanders)
34th best in defensive RPM (respectable)

Gobert:
6.8 ppg (11.2 per 36)
7.3 rpg (better rebounder in less minutes)
2.2 bpg (blocks more shots in less minutes)
1.1 apg (noel beats him by .2 apg per 36, but Noel turns the ball over at a higher rate)
1.1 TOPG
63 FG%
61 FT%
21.9 mpg
PER = 21.59 (22nd best in the NBA)
Allows opponents to shoot a ridiculous 38% at the rim (number one in the NBA by a good margin)
16th best in DRPM

So this season, Gobert is scoring at a higher rate, he's in another universe when you consider scoring efficiency, he's rebounding at a much higher rate, he's blocking shots at a much higher rate, he is turning it over at a much lower rate, he's a better free throw shooter, and he's a better defender. So you are right, other than offense, scoring, scoring efficiency, rebounding, blocking shots, shooting in general, shooting from the free throw line, taking care of the ball, defending the rim, and overall defense, Noel is better.


P.S, btw when you adjust the numbers for pace (Philly is the 6th fastest in pace, Utah is the second slowest) the difference is even more ridiculous.

[wichmae]

i think its the bucks.

IN totality of the entire NBA it probably is. For this list I can buy some peoples arguments (save for Detroit) but its got to be Minnesota.

[76ciology]

How much better can Gobert get?!? IDK, he is 22, freakishly large, and just blew away all the best Rookies and Sophmores, including Wiggins, hence probably the best big in the last 2 drafts. Right now, I wouldn't trade Gobert for Noel and Embiid.

Well, Noel is 21 and is currently playing better than Gobert. Well, I wouldn't trade McGee and the Lakers' pick next year for Gobert. That pick could land us Thon Maker.

I'd like you to make any case that Nerlens is outplaying Gobert. In what freaking universe would that even be close to being true?? Seriously, if you could make an argument that is even somewhat compelling, i'd call you the Johnny Cochrane of this generation. I'd also then allow you to argue on my behalf in any debate on any subject at anytime now or in the future until the day that I die.

Noel:
8.4 ppg (9.9 per 36)
7.1 rpg
1.8 bpg
1.6 apg (.2 more per 36)
1.9 TOPG
44.7 FG% (terrible for a big man)
56.5 FT%
30.2 mpg
PER = 12.71 (below average for a big man)
Allows opponents to shoot 46% at the rim (respectable, same percentage as Favors, Lopez, Draymond, and Sanders)
34th best in defensive RPM (respectable)

Gobert:
6.8 ppg (11.2 per 36)
7.3 rpg (better rebounder in less minutes)
2.2 bpg (blocks more shots in less minutes)
1.1 apg (noel beats him by .2 apg per 36, but Noel turns the ball over at a higher rate)
1.1 TOPG
63 FG%
61 FT%
21.9 mpg
PER = 21.59 (22nd best in the NBA)
Allows opponents to shoot a ridiculous 38% at the rim (number one in the NBA by a good margin)
16th best in DRPM

So this season, Gobert is scoring at a higher rate, he's in another universe when you consider scoring efficiency, he's rebounding at a much higher rate, he's blocking shots at a much higher rate, he is turning it over at a much lower rate, he's a better free throw shooter, and he's a better defender. So you are right, other than offense, scoring, scoring efficiency, rebounding, blocking shots, shooting in general, shooting from the free throw line, taking care of the ball, defending the rim, and overall defense, Noel is better.


P.S, btw when you adjust the numbers for pace (Philly is the 6th fastest in pace, Utah is the second slowest) the difference is even more ridiculous.

There's a reason why indicated "currently" rather than "this season"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MaxRappaport/status/570063630307352576[/tweet]

Any reason why you took out the steals average? Noel is the first rookie to average atleast 1.5 spg and bpg. But I agree that Gobert is blocking and rebounding at a higher rate. But he's a year old and is on his 2nd year, Noel should improve both aspects by adding more size and strength this summer, hopefully.

Then the team's comparison of promising doesn't end between both these guys. Because while Gobert is the most promising guy on your team, we have Embiid who is the only or has the highest potential franchise player in all these discussions. Then things could change depending on our top 3 pick in 2015 and/or Lakers and Sixers lotto picks in 2016 (last year of rebuilding).

[HawaiianJazzFan]

Well, Noel is 21 and is currently playing better than Gobert. Well, I wouldn't trade McGee and the Lakers' pick next year for Gobert. That pick could land us Thon Maker.

I'd like you to make any case that Nerlens is outplaying Gobert. In what freaking universe would that even be close to being true?? Seriously, if you could make an argument that is even somewhat compelling, i'd call you the Johnny Cochrane of this generation. I'd also then allow you to argue on my behalf in any debate on any subject at anytime now or in the future until the day that I die.

Noel:
8.4 ppg (9.9 per 36)
7.1 rpg
1.8 bpg
1.6 apg (.2 more per 36)
1.9 TOPG
44.7 FG% (terrible for a big man)
56.5 FT%
30.2 mpg
PER = 12.71 (below average for a big man)
Allows opponents to shoot 46% at the rim (respectable, same percentage as Favors, Lopez, Draymond, and Sanders)
34th best in defensive RPM (respectable)

Gobert:
6.8 ppg (11.2 per 36)
7.3 rpg (better rebounder in less minutes)
2.2 bpg (blocks more shots in less minutes)
1.1 apg (noel beats him by .2 apg per 36, but Noel turns the ball over at a higher rate)
1.1 TOPG
63 FG%
61 FT%
21.9 mpg
PER = 21.59 (22nd best in the NBA)
Allows opponents to shoot a ridiculous 38% at the rim (number one in the NBA by a good margin)
16th best in DRPM

So this season, Gobert is scoring at a higher rate, he's in another universe when you consider scoring efficiency, he's rebounding at a much higher rate, he's blocking shots at a much higher rate, he is turning it over at a much lower rate, he's a better free throw shooter, and he's a better defender. So you are right, other than offense, scoring, scoring efficiency, rebounding, blocking shots, shooting in general, shooting from the free throw line, taking care of the ball, defending the rim, and overall defense, Noel is better.


P.S, btw when you adjust the numbers for pace (Philly is the 6th fastest in pace, Utah is the second slowest) the difference is even more ridiculous.

There's a reason why indicated "currently" rather than "this season"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MaxRappaport/status/570063630307352576[/tweet]

Any reason why you took out the steals average? Noel is the first rookie to average atleast 1.5 spg and bpg. But I agree that Gobert is blocking and rebounding at a higher rate. But he's a year old and is on his 2nd year, Noel should improve both aspects by adding more size and strength this summer, hopefully.

Then the team's comparison of promising doesn't end between both these guys. Because while Gobert is the most promising guy on your team, we have Embiid who is the only or has the highest potential franchise player in all these discussions. Then things could change depending on our top 3 pick in 2015 and/or Lakers and Sixers lotto picks in 2016 (last year of rebuilding).

Steals was just an oversight, my bad, I actually should have put them in ahead of TO's, I typed that up pretty quickly. Gobert has had 10 game stretches that were monstrous as well. The last games when Gobert was able to start he did this over 10 games (he was able to start because of injuries to Kanter and Favors 1/2-1/22):
11.0 ppg
10.0 rpg
2.1 apg
4.0 bpg
1.1 spg
58 FG%
66 FT%

Because of the Kanter trade he is able to start again and I'm sure his numbers are going to be pretty good again.
Gobert is in his second season but the minutes played in the NBA are almost the exact same. In fact Gobert has only played 68 more minutes in his NBA career than Noel has. He only played in 45 games last year and averaged 9 minutes because Corbin refused to play him, add that to the fact that Noel has played much more this season and they have played nearly identical minutes.

Also, you are forgetting that Utah also has Favors, who is playing really really well this year. Favors is still only 23 and has the 16th best PER in the NBA, because he is so damn efficient. He is a rare big man that is above average offensively and defensively. Together Favors an Gobert are the best rim protectors in the NBA. They allow the lowest percentage at the rim (only Draymond and Bogut are even close). They also block the most shots as a tandem and have by far the highest block percentage. Also, based on production per minute they are a top 5 front court in the NBA, behind only Deandre/Blake, AD/Asik (almost all AD), and Bosh/Goatside.

I'll give you the fact that Embiid has more potential than any of the players discussed, but I still wouldn't trade Favors/Gobert for Noel/Embiid because of the uncertainty there... although I wouldn't blame you if you'd stick with Embiid and Noel because I was super high on Embiid coming out of the draft.

[Ballerhogger]

i will say Timberwolves .

[Big A All Day]

Nobody said much about Orlando but they're in 2nd place on the poll.

Anyways, I'd go Minnesota, Orlando, Utah... Lol @ Bobcats Homer a few pages back trying to sell us on MKG and lol @ philly in general.

[e4d0]

The entire NBA should be insanely deep in a few years. Might even be the strongest the league has ever been. I can only think of a handful teams (Nets, Nuggets, Suns) who don't have something to look forward to soon.

[young_frogger]

I think the Celtics deserve to be on the list thanks to Brad Stevens, really love what he's doing over there. Some decent young talent and if they land a stud/superstar I have confidence that Brad is gonna get the most out of his role players ala Popovich.

For now though this has to be the Timberwolves. Not just cause of Wiggins, Rubio etc. They have an underrated stud in Gorgui Dieng, who I think should start alongside Pekovic instead of Bennett. That's a fantastic offensive/defensive complement. With Ricky and K-mart out there the offense looks a lot more fluid, who knows how this team could've been if they were healthy all year. Jazz are definitely capable of being a great team with GoBEAST in the starting lineup their defense is very solid. They got plenty of talent but it seems like they sure could use a good PG since Exum is (sadly) looking like a bust and I'm not a fan of Trey Burke. Gordon is the man though, fantastic all-round player at both ends.

Also really like the Bucks, but I think trading knight away was a huge mistake. Still, they have Studantekoumpo and hopefully Jabari is able to come back healthy because he was looking pretty good before his injury. Magic also have plenty of potential. I love Elfrid Payton's game and if he gets a jumpshot he will be dangerous. Victor is a fun, dynamic player to watch and Vucevic is one of the most underrated bigs in the NBA without question. I think they're a rim-protector and a sharpshooter away from being a legit team.

The sixers have a lot of work to do in terms of shedding that losing culture..that's what happens when you tank for so long. If they don't get their act together soon, it won't be long until their top prospects want out.

The Kings are in a tough situation because they don't really have that much young talent, and its looking like a question mark as to how long Boogie, their only real stud, will stick around. Mclemore has proven he can be a solid 3 and D guy but ain't no superstar. If boogie wants out, it'll set them back significantly. Stauskas is a bust, Darren is a decent player but is no star, has no size, upside and seems injury prone. Rudy is another solid guy but has no upside, so its hard for me to see this team having a particularly bright future.

Also how are the Pelicans not on the list? Do they not qualify as 'young'? They have the studliest stud one could possibly hope for with a decent amount of talent surrounding him. If they're able to stay healthly and find some continuity they will be dangerous. Asik obviously isn't working out so try and replace him with a more mobile, defensive minded 4 that can hopefully stretch the floor (Anderson currently has the 'stretch 4' role, but he's a chucker and can't play defense to save his life). I say trade one of Holiday/Evans as their skillsets are kind of redundant and replace them with an elite 3/D player.. that's a solid team right there.