Knicks will go after players who fit triangle

[AmazingJason]

So we're going after smart, unselfish players that can move off ball and hit shots? Somehow I have no issues with this...

The problem is guys like that, that are actually really good (to the degree the Knicks need them to be), don't grown on trees and would be near impossible to get.

So the Spurs and Warriors hoarded them all up and we're screwed?

[Jstock12]

[Tennyten]

The problem I have with going after players to fit this particular system is no one is going to want to run this after Phil leaves and Phil has one foot out the door. It's not like running the 3-4 or the 4-3. You can find plenty of coaches to do both. If Phil leaves the triangle will be thrown out the door five seconds later and we'll have missed out on players that could be effective in the modern NBA.

[GONYK]

The problem I have with going after players to fit this particular system is no one is going to want to run this after Phil leaves and Phil has one foot out the door. It's not like running the 3-4 or the 4-3. You can find plenty of coaches to do both. If Phil leaves the triangle will be thrown out the door five seconds later and we'll have missed out on players that could be effective in the modern NBA.

Since when did the Triangle become exclusionary of modern players?

- We drafted Grant and KP(there is no player who represents the modern NBA more IMO).
- We signed Derrick Williams, kept Melo, and signed Wroten

You guys just get mad that Calderon is our PG and extrapolate that across the whole system. If prime Kobe was a FA, do you think we'd pass on pursuing him?

[god shammgod]

it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.

[GONYK]

it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.

That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

[NYKnicksTAPE]

It's really hard for me to judge this offense when it's been run by the worst backcourt in the NBA the last 2 years. I want to see how it looks when there's dudes in the backcourt with speed who can penetrate and create for themselves and others. If we have a dynamic backcourt and the triangle is still having us lead the league in midrange jumpers, be near the bottom of the league in pace and in 3 pointers made and attempted, be towards the bottom in free throw attempts, have us 25th in offensive efficiency, and have us 7th in the NBA in shot clock violations for the season then we can conclude that this offense truly doesn't work and has no place in today's NBA.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

The problem I have with going after players to fit this particular system is no one is going to want to run this after Phil leaves and Phil has one foot out the door. It's not like running the 3-4 or the 4-3. You can find plenty of coaches to do both. If Phil leaves the triangle will be thrown out the door five seconds later and we'll have missed out on players that could be effective in the modern NBA.

Since when did the Triangle become exclusionary of modern players?

- We drafted Grant and KP(there is no player who represents the modern NBA more IMO).
- We signed Derrick Williams, kept Melo, and signed Wroten

You guys just get mad that Calderon is our PG and extrapolate that across the whole system. If prime Kobe was a FA, do you think we'd pass on pursuing him?

I've had somebody tell me that Phil wouldn't go after Russell Westbrook because the triangle doesn't call for a ball dominant PG

[GONYK]

The problem I have with going after players to fit this particular system is no one is going to want to run this after Phil leaves and Phil has one foot out the door. It's not like running the 3-4 or the 4-3. You can find plenty of coaches to do both. If Phil leaves the triangle will be thrown out the door five seconds later and we'll have missed out on players that could be effective in the modern NBA.

Since when did the Triangle become exclusionary of modern players?

- We drafted Grant and KP(there is no player who represents the modern NBA more IMO).
- We signed Derrick Williams, kept Melo, and signed Wroten

You guys just get mad that Calderon is our PG and extrapolate that across the whole system. If prime Kobe was a FA, do you think we'd pass on pursuing him?

I've had somebody tell me that Phil wouldn't go after Russell Westbrook because the triangle doesn't call for a ball dominant PG

The Triangle just has guards, not a PG who needs to play a specific way.

Phil has said that Curry would be the perfect Triangle PG (which is clearly true looking at Curry under Kerr), but Steph has a higher usage rate than Westbrook this season.

So clearly, that wouldn't be a deterrent.

[god shammgod]

it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.

That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

i'm not gonna go look at the list, the season is over now. but you signed both of them for more then one year. you didn't have to do that. and if there really was nobody better, maybe take someone another team wanted to get rid of and get an asset with it. there were alternatives.

[GONYK]

it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.

That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

i'm not gonna go look at the list, the season is over now. but you signed both of them for more then one year. you didn't have to do that. and if there really was nobody better, maybe take someone another team wanted to get rid of and get an asset with it. there were alternatives.

It's hard for me to count a random scenario I made up (maybe take someone another team wanted to get rid of and get an asset with it) against the team. Especially since we don't know if that avenue was explored and if the cost would have been worse than just taking AA for a year.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Since when did the Triangle become exclusionary of modern players?

- We drafted Grant and KP(there is no player who represents the modern NBA more IMO).
- We signed Derrick Williams, kept Melo, and signed Wroten

You guys just get mad that Calderon is our PG and extrapolate that across the whole system. If prime Kobe was a FA, do you think we'd pass on pursuing him?

I've had somebody tell me that Phil wouldn't go after Russell Westbrook because the triangle doesn't call for a ball dominant PG

The Triangle just has guards, not a PG who needs to play a specific way.

Phil has said that Curry would be the perfect Triangle PG (which is clearly true looking at Curry under Kerr), but Steph has a higher usage rate than Westbrook this season.

So clearly, that wouldn't be a deterrent.

and he's gone after Reggie Jackson who has a higher usage rate than John Wall and Teague who has a higher usage rate than Kemba Walker...none of those PG's are what people keep saying are the typical triangle PG (a low usage spot up 3 point shooter who defends)

You can also look at a guy like Deandre Jordan who isn't what many would say is a triangle big (C who can play with his back to the basket, pass, and shoot) yet Phil clearly wanted him.

[AmazingJason]

Since when did the Triangle become exclusionary of modern players?

- We drafted Grant and KP(there is no player who represents the modern NBA more IMO).
- We signed Derrick Williams, kept Melo, and signed Wroten

You guys just get mad that Calderon is our PG and extrapolate that across the whole system. If prime Kobe was a FA, do you think we'd pass on pursuing him?

I've had somebody tell me that Phil wouldn't go after Russell Westbrook because the triangle doesn't call for a ball dominant PG

The Triangle just has guards, not a PG who needs to play a specific way.

Phil has said that Curry would be the perfect Triangle PG (which is clearly true looking at Curry under Kerr), but Steph has a higher usage rate than Westbrook this season.

So clearly, that wouldn't be a deterrent.

Guards like Curry, Westbrook and Reggie Jackson would just play off-guard in the triangle.

Issue is more with PGs who like an offense revolved around the dominating the ball in the high PnR.

[fuller4379]

Give it up Jackson. It wasn't the triangle that won those championships. It was having Jordan/Pippen, Bryant/Shaq, and Bryant/Gasol. Your triangle sucks.

[Knicksfan1992]

Give it up Jackson. It wasn't the triangle that won those championships. It was having Jordan/Pippen, Bryant/Shaq, and Bryant/Gasol. Your triangle sucks.

Give it up Pop it wasn't your system that won those championships! It was having Prime Duncan, Robinson, Ginobili, and Parker. Your system sucks.

[Triple C]

Damn

[Sark]

it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.

That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

Wait Fisher is the reason we got Seraphin? As if I didn't have enough reasons to hate him.

[GONYK]

it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.

That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

Wait Fisher is the reason we got Seraphin? As if I didn't have enough reasons to hate him.

Derek Fisher and general manager Steve Mills convinced Knicks president Phil Jackson that Seraphin was a better fit as a backup center than adding combo guard Alexey Shved, who was eager to accept the Knicks’ $2.8 million exception.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/former-wizards-big-man-relishing-opportunity-with-knicks/

[will34]

That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

Wait Fisher is the reason we got Seraphin? As if I didn't have enough reasons to hate him.

Derek Fisher and general manager Steve Mills convinced Knicks president Phil Jackson that Seraphin was a better fit as a backup center than adding combo guard Alexey Shved, who was eager to accept the Knicks’ $2.8 million exception.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/former-wizards-big-man-relishing-opportunity-with-knicks/

Maybe Seraphin had a GF Fisher wanted to sleep with.

[Meat]

it's not just jose. it's jose, aaron, seraphin & o quinn who are all a little too slow to be effective. hopefully they learn from this.

That was who was available. With the exception of Seraphin, who Fisher asked for over Shved, who were the better options that we chose Afflalo and KOQ over for the price?

i hate to be this guy but instead of koq or seraphin, if they had gotten lin the knicks would have been a much better team