The Zach Lavine Problem

High level · Post #141 » by **High level** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:00 pm

McBuckets3 wrote:Derrick Rose was pretty amazing before the ACL wasn't he?

Yeah it was damn near too good to be true with what we had. This franchise has bad luck or something. We may have the MJ curse.

BadWolf · Post #142 » by **BadWolf** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:03 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Couple thoughts:

-Lavine is a different kind of athlete from Rose. Whereas Rose was about burst, Lavine is about spring. He also has a lighter bone and muscle structure. He's less reliant on torque. Which is why our experience with Derrick doesn't color my expectations for Zach.

-Maybe Lavine is ahead of schedule -- maybe not. Damned if I'm going to take his agent's word for it though.

there were expectation he wcould be ready at the start of the season.
Some rumors he could play in late stage playoffs, but you have to take that with a grain of salt.

High level · Post #143 » by **High level** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:11 pm

TankOverlord wrote:Guys listen to the Minny fans. This guy is very good.

I'd much rather max him than Jimmy in 2 years. He's already a better scorer than Jimmy will ever be. Plus we got 2 good prospects in Lauri and Dunn? No brainer and exactly what the board has been clamoring for.

Thibs love for Jimmy made him overpay. No other team was offering anything close. We now have flexibility, youth and potential. What did we have at this time yesterday?

I was thinking the same that Lavine ceiling seem to be higher than Jimmy's. Before the acl I wouldn't have mind trading Jimmy for Levine with a pick. Good shooter that can jump out of the gym. But us Bulls fans don't sit well with acl injuries. I mean Rose was phenomenal before acl and he was very young too. Now he's arguably the biggest what if players in history of the NBA.

Mattya · Post #144 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:11 pm

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Not sure if this was posted, but he is such a workaholic. Definitely added a lot of strength in his arms and shoulders since his injury. Already running again. Was walking unassisted at the end of the regular season.

Mattya · Post #145 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:14 pm

LaVine's injury isn't the same as Rose's. We will see ultimately how he returns, but Rose was a victim of extreme torque and bad landing mechanics. Zach LaVine's injury was more of a freak accident where he got knocked off balance in mid air and couldn't land in a proper fashion. Outside of some twisted ankles when people step underneath him when he jumps, he has never looked like he is landing out of control. Maybe the injury impacts him, but it isn't the same situation as Derrick Rose.

Red8911 · Post #146 » by **Red8911** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:50 pm

RememberLu wrote:All the stuff they're saying about LaVine now is what we heard about Derrick Rose throughout his rehab.

"He's ahead of schedule, he's a rehab monster! He put on 25 lbs of muscle, his vertical is as high as ever!"

How are bulls fans falling for this crap again. You're never gonna be able to watch this kid without wondering when the other shoe will drop

Agreed,we used to hear the same exact stuff with rose. We ll see when he returns on the court. Some players do come back the same but others don't. He's just a question mark right now.

Post #147 » by **DJhitek** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:57 pm

Lavine is a good player, and while it's impossible to project what he will be after the injury, the Bulls might be able to get him at below market value in extension talks.

Post #148 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:13 pm

DJhitek wrote:Lavine is a good player, and while it's impossible to project what he will be after the injury, the Bulls might be able to get him at below market value in extension talks.

From a pure game theory perspective, the best thing for the Bulls would be for Zach's rehab to stumble, so that his career looks doubtful, sign him on the relative cheap, and then have him recover. As with Curry, about whom you no doubt were thinking.

I would never wish for such a thing to happen to a player, even if it benefited the Bulls. Just game theory there.

jc23 · Post #149 » by **jc23** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:25 pm

He tore his ACL Feb 3rd, i think he should be back and on a minutes restriction by January. And that is 2 months longer then what is the norm. I know people want to lose as many games as possible but the kid needs to dust the cobwebs off and get his confidence back.

I hope he can go into the 2018/19 season at full strength and with no drose type mental issues.

RebuildaBulls · Post #150 » by **RebuildaBulls** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:06 pm

I might have dropped into some of his good games but every wolves games I watched the past two years whenever I watch this kid I always tell myself "damn this kid is going to be good someday"

RebuildaBulls · Post #151 » by **RebuildaBulls** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:09 pm

jc23 wrote:He tore his ACL Feb 3rd, i think he should be back and on a minutes restriction by January. And that is 2 months longer then what is the norm. I know people want to lose as many games as possible but the kid needs to dust the cobwebs off and get his confidence back.

I hope he can go into the 2018/19 season at full strength and with no drose type mental issues.

On a positive note didnt seem like Lavines ACL injury was as traumatizing as Rose ACL. Lavine went down in pain but then went on to play 6 more minutes, which could mean the tear wasnt as bad as Rose and him being able to play with it for 6 minutes probably means he wasnt traumatized by the initial injury. Everyone is different, all we have hope for is that its healing fine

MC3 · Post #152 » by **MC3** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:23 pm

RebuildaBulls wrote:
jc23 wrote:He tore his ACL Feb 3rd, i think he should be back and on a minutes restriction by January. And that is 2 months longer then what is the norm. I know people want to lose as many games as possible but the kid needs to dust the cobwebs off and get his confidence back.

I hope he can go into the 2018/19 season at full strength and with no drose type mental issues.

On a positive note didnt seem like Lavines ACL injury was as traumatizing as Rose ACL. Lavine went down in pain but then went on to play 6 more minutes, which could mean the tear wasnt as bad as Rose and him being able to play with it for 6 minutes probably means he wasnt traumatized by the initial injury. Everyone is different, all we have hope for is that its healing fine

Lavine ACL could easily be it wasnt full tear and experience of same trauma and pain. Lavine also wasnt non contact one like Derrick had. Derrick injured ACL on hop travel move where he exploded with full weight on his knee. And Lavine likely wouldnt injured it if he didnt made contact with Drummond leg. Only thing they have in common is they both tear ACL.

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Post #153 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:54 am

The Timberwolves used Zach and his recovery to announce the unveiling of Fitbit as the team's jersey sponsorship. This was released on Tuesday.

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JohnnyTapwater · Post #154 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:58 am

I want Lavine back when HE'S ready...I think he actually knows his body and isn't waiting for god to tell him. I don't think he has any children to worry about their high school graduation either.

Post #155 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:07 am

I agree the Bulls are in an interesting position now, just as the Timberwolves would've been with him.

He's not a No. 1 guy on a championship team.....he's probably not a No. 2 guy either, though that could be a possibility depending on the rest of the team. But at the same time, you'll probably have to pay him as a top-two guy on your team (though the injury may help that).

But that doesn't mean he's a bad player, or one that you shouldn't keep as part of your core. I see the Jamal Crawford comp thrown a lot, but I actually think he can be more Ray Allen. Now, when you hear the name Ray Allen you think HOF and winning titles and such, but he was only to the playoffs four times in his 11-year career before he was traded to Boston. Does that mean he was a bad player or that those teams shouldn't have built around him? Not really. Sometimes, you just need more talent around you in order to be successful.

Chi town · Post #156 » by **Chi town** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:16 am

Klomp wrote:The Timberwolves used Zach and his recovery to announce the unveiling of Fitbit as the team's jersey sponsorship. This was released on Tuesday.

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Wow he looks a lot stronger in that video.

Looks like the kid puts in work.

Post #157 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:34 am

Chi town wrote:Looks like the kid puts in work.

He's an absolute gym rat! As a rookie, Flip Saunders had to take away his key to the practice gym because he would be in there all hours of the night.

Here's an article on his work ethic from last summer:

2016: http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/zach-lavine-has-been-putting-work-summer/#

Chi town · Post #158 » by **Chi town** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:38 am

Klomp wrote:
Chi town wrote:Looks like the kid puts in work.

He's an absolute gym rat! As a rookie, Flip Saunders had to take away his key to the practice gym because he would be in there all hours of the night.

Here's an article on his work ethic from last summer:

2016: http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/zach-lavine-has-been-putting-work-summer/#

I'm not concerned about his skills and athleticism coming back. I just want to see him play D and at least become average.

Kay wasn't good on D either till Mark Jackson challenged him. He responded. Now he's one of the top defenders in the league.

step · Post #159 » by **step** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:He also has a lighter bone and muscle structure.

Have I missed the part where players undergo body composition scans nowadays as common practice & this data is publicly released for all to see?

Post #160 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:16 am

step wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:He also has a lighter bone and muscle structure.

Have I missed the part where players undergo body composition scans nowadays as common practice & this data is publicly released for all to see?

Yeah. That's what you missed.