The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon

[Homerclease]

As much as everyone compliments Ainge, the one thing that I questioned is I thought Ainge hadn’t done a very good job at consolidating so many very good assets into fewer great ones, amd it still seems to be moving that way.

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

[Homerclease]

As someone who supports a division rival to both teams, I think it would be dishonest to pretend like the Nets aren't currently in very good hands with Marks.

Sixers and Nets - both doing their part in helping to rebuild the Boston Celtics. Thanks for the lottery picks, guys.

From previous GMs, but I guess you wouldn't have known that. Also, how do you feel about Collin Sexton? That's who ended up getting selected with this Brooklyn pick. He should be a good player for Boston this year - oh wait

Don’t believe they stay at 8 if the deal isn’t made. They are likely trying to move up from 8 to get into the top 5 for a big.

[Johnny Bball]

As much as everyone compliments Ainge, the one thing that I questioned is I thought Ainge hadn’t done a very good job at consolidating so many very good assets into fewer great ones, amd it still seems to be moving that way.

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

By the list of players you included, you don’t get my meaning, but I’m not surprised.

[Fencer reregistered]

C's shoudlnt trade him, but theyre in a pretty tough spot next year. They should sign Kyrie and try to trade him, imo. Though it'll be a tough sell for future FA to sign on. They wont get much right now and they have an outside shot at a championship, so they shouldnt trade him now.

That said, the C's are about to be in cap and luxury tax hell. They need to be economical with their money; giving 40 mill/year over 5 years to a guy who's ended half his career seasons on the IR is worrying. But whats really the alternative?

The Cs' principal owners made their money in venture capital and private equity. They understand the concept of raising more capital from new investors, should financial circumstances warrant.

So as long as we think that a large investment of salary will produce a winning team that people will be happy to own stakes in, it's all good.

[Homerclease]

As much as everyone compliments Ainge, the one thing that I questioned is I thought Ainge hadn’t done a very good job at consolidating so many very good assets into fewer great ones, amd it still seems to be moving that way.

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

By the list of players you included, you don’t get my meaning, but I’m not surprised.

Who exactly did you have in mind to consolidate for then? Cause those were the major names being thrown around for years. Unless you were one of those that declared as fact that Noel and Okafor were both worth multiple nets picks themselves

[dorkestra]

As much as everyone compliments Ainge, the one thing that I questioned is I thought Ainge hadn’t done a very good job at consolidating so many very good assets into fewer great ones, amd it still seems to be moving that way.

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

I guess it depends on whether you think you can contend without a legitimate star.

[Homerclease]

As much as everyone compliments Ainge, the one thing that I questioned is I thought Ainge hadn’t done a very good job at consolidating so many very good assets into fewer great ones, amd it still seems to be moving that way.

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

I guess it depends on whether you think you can contend without a legitimate star.

They have several. Also if they do those deals they tie up their cap space and are unable to sign Hayward outright

[Feed Your Head]

As much as everyone compliments Ainge, the one thing that I questioned is I thought Ainge hadn’t done a very good job at consolidating so many very good assets into fewer great ones, amd it still seems to be moving that way.

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

I guess it depends on whether you think you can contend without a legitimate star.

Kyrie may not be one all regular season, but absolutely is in the playoffs. And c'mon now let the bias aside, Tatum definitely has legitimate star upside. What he did in the playoffs was basically unprecedented, on elite efficiency as well.

[dorkestra]

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

I guess it depends on whether you think you can contend without a legitimate star.

They have several. Also if they do those deals they tie up their cap space and are unable to sign Hayward outright

Hayward is a clearly worse player than George, Kawhi, Butler though, and unfortunately for all NBA fans, has now suffered a terrible injury. Just like the one Paul George, a superior player, has taken a long time to recover back to normal from. I think Hayward will return to similar level as before based on reports, but no telling how long that takes. Meanwhile he and Horford, another very good player, but not a star, are taking up half the cap. Seems to be consolidated financially around the wrong pieces in the sense that it makes it almost impossible to build on the current core without dismantling it.

[Jagic Mohnson]

It will boil down to a no trade clause. I think Kyrie knows Ainge wants Anthony Davis and everyone on the Celtics will or could be traded for AD except maybe Tatum. If Ktirie doesnt get the no trade clause he bolts or maybe a sign n trade to the Knicks for Michtell Robinson, Noah, and a pick.

[Homerclease]

I guess it depends on whether you think you can contend without a legitimate star.

They have several. Also if they do those deals they tie up their cap space and are unable to sign Hayward outright

Hayward is a clearly worse player than George, Kawhi, Butler though, and unfortunately for all NBA fans, has now suffered a terrible injury. Just like the one Paul George, a superior player, has taken a long time to recover back to normal from. I think Hayward will return to similar level as before based on reports, but no telling how long that takes. Meanwhile he and Horford, another very good player, but not a star, are taking up half the cap. Seems to be consolidated financially around the wrong pieces in the sense that it makes it almost impossible to build on the current core without dismantling it.

Disagree on all counts. Not only that, we have Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Kyrie with more picks on the way. Hayward is a much better fit in Boston than George or Butler would’ve been and arguably a better player too.

Kyrie, Hayward and very soon Tatum are legit stars. Brown is right there too and Horford is firmly a top 20 player. Ainge couldn’t have managed his assets any better if you ask me

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

You’re right, what was he thinking not dealing those nets picks for George, Butler or Cousins! Who needs Tatum and Brown anyway?!?!?!

By the list of players you included, you don’t get my meaning, but I’m not surprised.

Who exactly did you have in mind to consolidate for then? Cause those were the major names being thrown around for years. Unless you were one of those that declared as fact that Noel and Okafor were both worth multiple nets picks themselves

I'd be interested in knowing too, seeing as how Ainge was ridiculed for being too cheap with his assets for not trading for Butler, George, and Cousins. Hell, people laughed at Ainge for not trading Amir Johnson and Terry Rozier for a Serge Ibaka rental. And the second that Ainge decided to finally cough up a Nets pick, people laughed and said that he got ripped off by Koby Altman.

There is only one guy out there who Ainge is waiting for in terms of consolidating his assets for. I think we all know who that guy is.

[PierceFan4ever]

I guess it depends on whether you think you can contend without a legitimate star.

They have several. Also if they do those deals they tie up their cap space and are unable to sign Hayward outright

Hayward is a clearly worse player than George, Kawhi, Butler though, and unfortunately for all NBA fans, has now suffered a terrible injury. Just like the one Paul George, a superior player, has taken a long time to recover back to normal from. I think Hayward will return to similar level as before based on reports, but no telling how long that takes. Meanwhile he and Horford, another very good player, but not a star, are taking up half the cap. Seems to be consolidated financially around the wrong pieces in the sense that it makes it almost impossible to build on the current core without dismantling it.

I prefer’d Hayward over Jimmy Butler, who got outplayed by Avery Bradley in the playoffs, in 2017. Hayward’s fit seems a lot better than Butler in Steven’s system as he is the better shooter. And besides, I would rather have Hayward and Tatum/Brown than just Butler or George alone. Say for example the Celtics did trade the pick that ended up being Brown for Butler. Would a team of Kyrie/Butler/Horford beat the Warriors? No chance. And then it’s awful itself because Brown is so much younger than Butler that your window to compete knowing you have Butler and Horford as your clear cut 2nd and 3rd best players makes your window really short. With Tatum and Brown you have a 20 and 21 year old players who have shown tremendous improvement each year as basketball players as I’m sure you as a Sixers fan are well aware. It’s an easy choice to go and get Hayward in free agency without giving up anyone significant than trading Brown or Tatum who have ceilings higher than the older player being traded for that isn’t going to help you beat the warriors.

[dorkestra]

They have several. Also if they do those deals they tie up their cap space and are unable to sign Hayward outright

Hayward is a clearly worse player than George, Kawhi, Butler though, and unfortunately for all NBA fans, has now suffered a terrible injury. Just like the one Paul George, a superior player, has taken a long time to recover back to normal from. I think Hayward will return to similar level as before based on reports, but no telling how long that takes. Meanwhile he and Horford, another very good player, but not a star, are taking up half the cap. Seems to be consolidated financially around the wrong pieces in the sense that it makes it almost impossible to build on the current core without dismantling it.

Disagree on all counts. Not only that, we have Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Kyrie with more picks on the way. Hayward is a much better fit in Boston than George or Butler would’ve been and arguably a better player too.

Kyrie, Hayward and very soon Tatum are legit stars. Brown is right there too and Horford is firmly a top 20 player. Ainge couldn’t have managed his assets any better if you ask me

Those assessments seem pretty bizarre to me, but it's good you seem to be so passionate about your favorite team.

[dorkestra]

They have several. Also if they do those deals they tie up their cap space and are unable to sign Hayward outright

Hayward is a clearly worse player than George, Kawhi, Butler though, and unfortunately for all NBA fans, has now suffered a terrible injury. Just like the one Paul George, a superior player, has taken a long time to recover back to normal from. I think Hayward will return to similar level as before based on reports, but no telling how long that takes. Meanwhile he and Horford, another very good player, but not a star, are taking up half the cap. Seems to be consolidated financially around the wrong pieces in the sense that it makes it almost impossible to build on the current core without dismantling it.

I prefer’d Hayward over Jimmy Butler, who got outplayed by Avery Bradley in the playoffs, in 2017. Hayward’s fit seems a lot better than Butler in Steven’s system as he is the better shooter. And besides, I would rather have Hayward and Tatum/Brown than just Butler or George alone. Say for example the Celtics did trade the pick that ended up being Brown for Butler. Would a team of Kyrie/Butler/Horford beat the Warriors? No chance. And then it’s awful itself because Brown is so much younger than Butler that your window to compete knowing you have Butler and Horford as your clear cut 2nd and 3rd best players makes your window really short. With Tatum and Brown you have a 20 and 21 year old players who have shown tremendous improvement each year as basketball players as I’m sure you as a Sixers fan are well aware. It’s an easy choice to go and get Hayward in free agency without giving up anyone significant than trading Brown or Tatum who have ceilings higher than the older player being traded for that isn’t going to help you beat the warriors.

How does arbitrary and random opinion that Butler got outplayed by Bradley in a single playoff series means somehow that he isn't obviously more impactful than Hayward. Sample size is always important to consider. People citing something like one playoff series or one game make themselves sound ignorant to statistics and reality (no offense). It makes it difficult to have a discussion without some fundamentals in place like understanding sample size.

[PierceFan4ever]

Hayward is a clearly worse player than George, Kawhi, Butler though, and unfortunately for all NBA fans, has now suffered a terrible injury. Just like the one Paul George, a superior player, has taken a long time to recover back to normal from. I think Hayward will return to similar level as before based on reports, but no telling how long that takes. Meanwhile he and Horford, another very good player, but not a star, are taking up half the cap. Seems to be consolidated financially around the wrong pieces in the sense that it makes it almost impossible to build on the current core without dismantling it.

I prefer’d Hayward over Jimmy Butler, who got outplayed by Avery Bradley in the playoffs, in 2017. Hayward’s fit seems a lot better than Butler in Steven’s system as he is the better shooter. And besides, I would rather have Hayward and Tatum/Brown than just Butler or George alone. Say for example the Celtics did trade the pick that ended up being Brown for Butler. Would a team of Kyrie/Butler/Horford beat the Warriors? No chance. And then it’s awful itself because Brown is so much younger than Butler that your window to compete knowing you have Butler and Horford as your clear cut 2nd and 3rd best players makes your window really short. With Tatum and Brown you have a 20 and 21 year old players who have shown tremendous improvement each year as basketball players as I’m sure you as a Sixers fan are well aware. It’s an easy choice to go and get Hayward in free agency without giving up anyone significant than trading Brown or Tatum who have ceilings higher than the older player being traded for that isn’t going to help you beat the warriors.

How does arbitrary and random opinion that Butler got outplayed by Bradley in a single playoff series means somehow that he isn't obviously more impactful than Hayward. Sample size is always important to consider. People citing something like one playoff series or one game make themselves sound ignorant to statistics and reality (no offense). It makes it difficult to have a discussion without some fundamentals in place like understanding sample size.

Is he more impactful? All I see Jimmy Butler leading his teams to the 8th seed. Hayward in 2017 playoffs showed a hell a lot more than Butler. Playoffs matter period. That’s where I judge a player’s ability more than the regular season or else James harden would be the best player in the league.

[zimpy27]

Ok mate. Cool story.

Boston fans think non-Celtics fans are against them. The truth is I want them to succeed and I want them to trade Kyrie because of that. I don't think his value add/salary ratio is high enough to warrant re-signing him and combined with the likelihood that he leaves it seems like a no-brainer to trade him from my perspective.

I think re-signing a top 15 player to a max contract is warranted (let's see if he's finally healthy considering all the hardware is out and no infection, he said this is the first time in years since he feels healthy) and if he is healthy then you keep him, especially to attract more stars to Boston.

There is no likelihood whatsoever that he leaves, you can quote me on that. You can have that perspective but it's factually not true.

Do you expect a long signing or a short one? I'd have thought 3 or less years.

[Feed Your Head]

Boston fans think non-Celtics fans are against them. The truth is I want them to succeed and I want them to trade Kyrie because of that. I don't think his value add/salary ratio is high enough to warrant re-signing him and combined with the likelihood that he leaves it seems like a no-brainer to trade him from my perspective.

I think re-signing a top 15 player to a max contract is warranted (let's see if he's finally healthy considering all the hardware is out and no infection, he said this is the first time in years since he feels healthy) and if he is healthy then you keep him, especially to attract more stars to Boston.

There is no likelihood whatsoever that he leaves, you can quote me on that. You can have that perspective but it's factually not true.

Do you expect a long signing or a short one? I'd have thought 3 or less years.

I'm not reload but I'd bet its a 3+1 when it happens. I obviously have no clue though lol.

[Ayt]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere. Because of this Celtics won't bother offering it. Kyrie would take it as an insult, and rightfully so. He's a max player even with the injury history.

you have no idea how any of this works. Please don't post lies if you don't know.

The celtics traded for Kyrie and his bird rights. WE can't give him supermax, but we can offer more than any other team. Full max for 5 years.

It doesn't matter too much, as he'd probably want a 3 + 1 deal anyways to get more future money and flexibility.

No other team in the nba can offer more money or years than the Celtics. none.

Man you guys are dense. OP has "max extension" as a poll option in addition to waiting until FA. Extension means you "extend" before the contract is up, otherwise you're "re-signing" as a free agent. 120% rule applies to extensions, not re-signing as a FA. Wording is important. Maybe look some of this up before you start calling people out.

Thanks for being one of the only people in this thread talking sense. Kyrie turning down an extension means nothing since he's a max player and Boston can't offer anywhere close to the max on an extension because of how the CBA works regarding extensions.

He may be a mercurial flat-earther, but there is little reason to think this plays out in any way other than Kyrie signing a max contract next summer with Boston.

[Bruteque]

The problem with Kyrie is that he is the rare case where a player's defensive failing is actually commensurate with his defensive notoriety. If BOS does re-sign Kyrie, it ought to be with the intention to pounce on an opportunity where another team gets into a bind and has to move a genuinely great player. Unfortunately for BOS, such opportunities come around once in a blue moon.