2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick!

[bigfoot]

You guys are underselling Beal or any decent player for that matter. If we could get two first round picks for expiring Dragic and one of them was unprotected then people are smoking crack to think Beal is only worth a protected first.

Let's make it simple. Our 2019 draft pick has at best a one out of three chance of being a player as good or better than Beal. People need to start thinking about the worth of these draft picks a little more seriously. They are not as valuable as some suggest.

I have no problem giving up three of our future picks, some unprotected, and young players like Jackson, Bender, Melton, second rounds picks to get back two-to-three quality vets this year.

[bigfoot]

Please God, let the Suns trade away our 2019 draft picks for some veteran players.

I want and expect us to get a lot more veteran depth to make our team better as well, Just not at the expense of a potential top 3 pick this year.

I'd like to see us use our cap space and expirings, along with future picks to fill veteran depth through trades and free agency if possible, unless another team is actually willing to send back a marquee talent in exchange for said lottery pick.


As it's very valuable contractually as it's rookie scale priced, this not affecting our cap much at all, plus we maintain control for close to 8 years...

Finally, I feel that the bigger problem we have that needs addressing, is the management issues that are directly affecting our team's culture and ability to attract premier free agents, etc.

We can easily fill our team with quality veterans who will add much needed depth and defense through free agency , that is if Sarver is only willing to spend, and not bring in any more washed up vets, or d league players and try to pass them off as our big offseason signing....fingers crossed
..lol...

We can not easily fill our team with quality vets. Free agents don't want to come to the wasteland that is the Phoenix Suns. Don't plan on signing any decent ones this summer. It is not happening with our current roster. If we don't make trades between Dec and Feb next year is gonna be more of the same.

We don't have as much cap space as people think either. Not with holds on our pick, the Bucks pick, and Holmes.

Also, so much for maintaining control of players for eight years ... Len, Bender, Chriss, and probably Jackson.

[bwgood77]

You guys are underselling Beal or any decent player for that matter. If we could get two first round picks for expiring Dragic and one of them was unprotected then people are smoking crack to think Beal is only worth a protected first.

Let's make it simple. Our 2019 draft pick has at best a one out of three chance of being a player as good or better than Beal. People need to start thinking about the worth of these draft picks a little more seriously. They are not as valuable as some suggest.

I have no problem giving up three of our future picks, some unprotected, and young players like Jackson, Bender, Melton, second rounds picks to get back two-to-three quality vets this year.

Three future picks for Beal? I mean Brooklyn didn't even give up that much for KG and Pierce...I think they got two picks and two swaps....didn't work out so well for them either.

Miami gave up those picks because they were good. We trail the 14th best team in the WC by more than they trail the 1 seed. Our pick this year will certainly be pretty high, and could be in the foreseeable future. One player won't change that. Beal is good but he's not THAT good, and he replicates Booker a bit too much.

Plus, with the rising cap and all these huge max deals, picks with cost control are far more valuable than when Dragic was traded.

[bigfoot]

You guys are underselling Beal or any decent player for that matter. If we could get two first round picks for expiring Dragic and one of them was unprotected then people are smoking crack to think Beal is only worth a protected first.

Let's make it simple. Our 2019 draft pick has at best a one out of three chance of being a player as good or better than Beal. People need to start thinking about the worth of these draft picks a little more seriously. They are not as valuable as some suggest.

I have no problem giving up three of our future picks, some unprotected, and young players like Jackson, Bender, Melton, second rounds picks to get back two-to-three quality vets this year.

Three future picks for Beal? I mean Brooklyn didn't even give up that much for KG and Pierce...I think they got two picks and two swaps....didn't work out so well for them either.

Miami gave up those picks because they were good. We trail the 14th best team in the WC by more than they trail the 1 seed. Our pick this year will certainly be pretty high, and could be in the foreseeable future. One player won't change that. Beal is good but he's not THAT good, and he replicates Booker a bit too much.

Plus, with the rising cap and all these huge max deals, picks with cost control are far more valuable than when Dragic was traded.

That's not what I said. Re-read carefully and you will see I said two-to-three quality veterans. TWO-TO-THREE.

Edit: versus the crazy nonsense of posters saying yeah I'd give up a protected first for Beal. The Wiz board would laugh their asses off.

[bigfoot]

You guys are underselling Beal or any decent player for that matter. If we could get two first round picks for expiring Dragic and one of them was unprotected then people are smoking crack to think Beal is only worth a protected first.

Let's make it simple. Our 2019 draft pick has at best a one out of three chance of being a player as good or better than Beal. People need to start thinking about the worth of these draft picks a little more seriously. They are not as valuable as some suggest.

I have no problem giving up three of our future picks, some unprotected, and young players like Jackson, Bender, Melton, second rounds picks to get back two-to-three quality vets this year.

Plus, with the rising cap and all these huge max deals, picks with cost control are far more valuable than when Dragic was traded.

This is laughable too when we pay Josh Jackson $9M next year.

[lilfishi22]

You guys are underselling Beal or any decent player for that matter. If we could get two first round picks for expiring Dragic and one of them was unprotected then people are smoking crack to think Beal is only worth a protected first.

Let's make it simple. Our 2019 draft pick has at best a one out of three chance of being a player as good or better than Beal. People need to start thinking about the worth of these draft picks a little more seriously. They are not as valuable as some suggest.

I have no problem giving up three of our future picks, some unprotected, and young players like Jackson, Bender, Melton, second rounds picks to get back two-to-three quality vets this year.

+1

Underselling good players and overvaluing our assets.

The value of draft picks have been inflated recently because of the amount of bad money going around from the 2016 off season but even in a strong draft like 2017 and 2018, you could still pick the wrong guy even with a high pick. I'd rather overpay for a guy that you already know what you're getting from them than going through the draft again where it's just taking another shot in the dark. You know what Beal is, you know what you're gonna get from him and you know he fits the age, needs and roster of this team. I've said it before but Beal is a guy I would have tanked for in the draft. If you could get a guy in the draft that is eventually as good as Beal, you're laughing all the way to the bank. But that requires damn good scouting, player evaluation, coaching, player development and luck. High picks are great, if you know what to do with it. We haven't really shown we know how to make the most of it

We've taken enough stabs in the dark now, we don't need to take more. We need guys who already know how to play and are both effective and productive.

[lilfishi22]

Of course it depends on who you can get. I keep the pick not knowing who it's for. But there isn't anyone out there I think on the trade block it's worth trading for. It's not like anyone would vault us into contention. We need some internal growth from some of the players we have and to sign some nice young hungry players with our FA money and make a nice draft pick.

IMO Beal is worth a top 3 protected pick

36/9 today

I mean if we could actually get Beal for say a package of a top 3 pick, Arizas' expiring, and maybe bridges and okobo.

Then yes, I'd definitely be open to that, but anything more than that, and I'd pass....not hard pass mind you....but softly and politely with a few times glancing back and sighing!!!....lol...

My package would start with Warren + Ariza and our 1st pick (top 2 protected) and Mil pick. If they want more, I'd still listen and see where it goes

[bwgood77]

You guys are underselling Beal or any decent player for that matter. If we could get two first round picks for expiring Dragic and one of them was unprotected then people are smoking crack to think Beal is only worth a protected first.

Let's make it simple. Our 2019 draft pick has at best a one out of three chance of being a player as good or better than Beal. People need to start thinking about the worth of these draft picks a little more seriously. They are not as valuable as some suggest.

I have no problem giving up three of our future picks, some unprotected, and young players like Jackson, Bender, Melton, second rounds picks to get back two-to-three quality vets this year.

Three future picks for Beal? I mean Brooklyn didn't even give up that much for KG and Pierce...I think they got two picks and two swaps....didn't work out so well for them either.

Miami gave up those picks because they were good. We trail the 14th best team in the WC by more than they trail the 1 seed. Our pick this year will certainly be pretty high, and could be in the foreseeable future. One player won't change that. Beal is good but he's not THAT good, and he replicates Booker a bit too much.

Plus, with the rising cap and all these huge max deals, picks with cost control are far more valuable than when Dragic was traded.

That's not what I said. Re-read carefully and you will see I said two-to-three quality veterans. TWO-TO-THREE.

Edit: versus the crazy nonsense of posters saying yeah I'd give up a protected first for Beal. The Wiz board would laugh their asses off.

That's what we get with cap space, which we finally have.

[lilfishi22]

Of course it depends on who you can get. I keep the pick not knowing who it's for. But there isn't anyone out there I think on the trade block it's worth trading for. It's not like anyone would vault us into contention. We need some internal growth from some of the players we have and to sign some nice young hungry players with our FA money and make a nice draft pick.

IMO Beal is worth a top 3 protected pick

36/9 today

I don't think he's getting traded for that, but if that's all it took I'd probably do it. We'd have to match salaries and they'd probably want Bridges and Melton or something like that as part of it...maybe Ariza as the rest of the filler if that's enough.

Of course that's not all it would take. But I would have it on the table for sure

[bwgood77]

You guys are underselling Beal or any decent player for that matter. If we could get two first round picks for expiring Dragic and one of them was unprotected then people are smoking crack to think Beal is only worth a protected first.

Let's make it simple. Our 2019 draft pick has at best a one out of three chance of being a player as good or better than Beal. People need to start thinking about the worth of these draft picks a little more seriously. They are not as valuable as some suggest.

I have no problem giving up three of our future picks, some unprotected, and young players like Jackson, Bender, Melton, second rounds picks to get back two-to-three quality vets this year.

Plus, with the rising cap and all these huge max deals, picks with cost control are far more valuable than when Dragic was traded.

This is laughable too when we pay Josh Jackson $9M next year.

That's nothing in today's NBA. Like 1/12th of the cap? But he still has a chance to improve. If he doesn't down the stretch this year they can decline his option like they did with Bender.

We had a bad guy making picks. Beal and Booker together would take up half our cap space and they are fairly close to the same player...Beal better now...perhaps Booker with higher upside, but not sure where they take us. We need to stop doubling up on so many positions. We need defense.

[Preacherpj]

Plus, with the rising cap and all these huge max deals, picks with cost control are far more valuable than when Dragic was traded.

This is laughable too when we pay Josh Jackson $9M next year.

That's nothing in today's NBA. Like 1/12th of the cap? But he still has a chance to improve. If he doesn't down the stretch this year they can decline his option like they did with Bender.

We had a bad guy making picks. Beal and Booker together would take up half our cap space and they are fairly close to the same player...Beal better now...perhaps Booker with higher upside, but not sure where they take us. We need to stop doubling up on so many positions. We need defense.

Why will we be any better in the future at drafting?

The guy responsible for all of this is still in charge, we have a skeleton crew right now in our scouting department and it’s likely our GM will be a former player with no actual experience.

At some point don’t Suns fans get sick of history just repeating itself??

Sure we can gamble that we pick the right guy AND that we can actually develop him.

Or we can just trade for a dude who’s already a stud, has already been developed and fits the timeline.

Who cares if he eats up our salary cap? Beal is a young star, he’s worth the money. Better that, than us saving it in the futile hopes of luring a top player.

Just look at our recent top-10 picks, why are we so eager to jump in that pool again?

Go get Beal, give Booker an actual real life player so he’s not shouldering all the load and then build around Beal/Booker/Ayton and either Bridges or Warren.

BTW; this is wholly dependent on if you think Point-Book works, if you don’t; then you obviously don’t make this trade.

I think Poibt Book can work; so I’m onboard.

Next year;
Booker
Beal
Bridges
?
Ayton

Sign me up

[Preacherpj]

Listen I get the idea of keeping the pick, I’m not trying to make a move to save this season either.

But, if we pick another 18 year old and he busts it’s a disaster.

If we pick another lottery pick and he hits; it’s still likely going to take two or three years for him to really find his groove.

Booker needs to start winning, frankly this whole culture/team/fan base needs to start winning.

We have young cornerstones to build around, they need another running mate, not another lottery pick.

It doesn’t neccesairly have to be Beal, maybe it’s Kemba (although Kemba is 28) but I think we can parlay a very valuable first round pick into a player that can help us more.

I think the last thing this team needs is another high upside young player that may or may not realize his potential.

[Preacherpj]

I’d start with
2019 1st (top3 protected(
Bridges or Warren whomever they want
Mil pick
Okobo or Melton
2nd rounder

And if they wanted an unprotected first; I’d easily do that for Beal.

Beal is a stud, he should young, he’s healthy, he’s proven, if we GET LUCKY our first round pick might eventually be as good as he is.

[Preacherpj]

The last time we (both as fans and as an organization) balked at giving up a first round pick it was because we were in love with Josh Jackson.

Wouldn’t include him, we couldn’t lose Jackson, future superstar........ let’s not overvalue college freshmen.

[RaisingArizona]

The last time we (both as fans and as an organization) balked at giving up a first round pick it was because we were in love with Josh Jackson.

Wouldn’t include him, we couldn’t lose Jackson, future superstar........ let’s not overvalue college freshmen.

Preach, preacherpj

[bwgood77]

This is laughable too when we pay Josh Jackson $9M next year.

That's nothing in today's NBA. Like 1/12th of the cap? But he still has a chance to improve. If he doesn't down the stretch this year they can decline his option like they did with Bender.

We had a bad guy making picks. Beal and Booker together would take up half our cap space and they are fairly close to the same player...Beal better now...perhaps Booker with higher upside, but not sure where they take us. We need to stop doubling up on so many positions. We need defense.

Why will we be any better in the future at drafting?

The guy responsible for all of this is still in charge, we have a skeleton crew right now in our scouting department and it’s likely our GM will be a former player with no actual experience.

At some point don’t Suns fans get sick of history just repeating itself??

Sure we can gamble that we pick the right guy AND that we can actually develop him.

Or we can just trade for a dude who’s already a stud, has already been developed and fits the timeline.

Who cares if he eats up our salary cap? Beal is a young star, he’s worth the money. Better that, than us saving it in the futile hopes of luring a top player.

Just look at our recent top-10 picks, why are we so eager to jump in that pool again?

Go get Beal, give Booker an actual real life player so he’s not shouldering all the load and then build around Beal/Booker/Ayton and either Bridges or Warren.

BTW; this is wholly dependent on if you think Point-Book works, if you don’t; then you obviously don’t make this trade.

I think Poibt Book can work; so I’m onboard.

Next year;
Booker
Beal
Bridges
?
Ayton

Sign me up

Well, McD was in charge of drafting....and probably those scouts that got canned helped convince him of Bender/Chriss/Len/Jackson, etc.

Lots of teams make many bad draft choices but then make some great ones.

Anyway, I don't think Beal is really available. Wizards fans don't think Leonsis would trade barring a super offer...at least until the offseason depending how this season goes. Thought they had been playing better.

[bigfoot]

That's nothing in today's NBA. Like 1/12th of the cap? But he still has a chance to improve. If he doesn't down the stretch this year they can decline his option like they did with Bender.

We had a bad guy making picks. Beal and Booker together would take up half our cap space and they are fairly close to the same player...Beal better now...perhaps Booker with higher upside, but not sure where they take us. We need to stop doubling up on so many positions. We need defense.

Why will we be any better in the future at drafting?

The guy responsible for all of this is still in charge, we have a skeleton crew right now in our scouting department and it’s likely our GM will be a former player with no actual experience.

At some point don’t Suns fans get sick of history just repeating itself??

Sure we can gamble that we pick the right guy AND that we can actually develop him.

Or we can just trade for a dude who’s already a stud, has already been developed and fits the timeline.

Who cares if he eats up our salary cap? Beal is a young star, he’s worth the money. Better that, than us saving it in the futile hopes of luring a top player.

Just look at our recent top-10 picks, why are we so eager to jump in that pool again?

Go get Beal, give Booker an actual real life player so he’s not shouldering all the load and then build around Beal/Booker/Ayton and either Bridges or Warren.

BTW; this is wholly dependent on if you think Point-Book works, if you don’t; then you obviously don’t make this trade.

I think Poibt Book can work; so I’m onboard.

Next year;
Booker
Beal
Bridges
?
Ayton

Sign me up

Well, McD was in charge of drafting....and probably those scouts that got canned helped convince him of Bender/Chriss/Len/Jackson, etc.

Lots of teams make many bad draft choices but then make some great ones.

Anyway, I don't think Beal is really available. Wizards fans don't think Leonsis would trade barring a super offer...at least until the offseason depending how this season goes. Thought they had been playing better.

Too be clear. I was never pushing to get Beal. Instead, I am all for trading away picks to get veterans under contract now. We need to shore up our team (Booker, Warren, Ayton, Bridges) and give them a chance to win. I do not believe for one second we will be able to use our summer cap space to get any decent free agents. We will have to overpay someone so that they willingly want to spend time in purgatory. I don't see it happening. We have tried to build through free agency and failed. We have tried to build through the draft and failed. It is time to make some sweeping trades and give away picks for veterans.

[realsunsfan]

Why will we be any better in the future at drafting?

The guy responsible for all of this is still in charge, we have a skeleton crew right now in our scouting department and it’s likely our GM will be a former player with no actual experience.

At some point don’t Suns fans get sick of history just repeating itself??

Sure we can gamble that we pick the right guy AND that we can actually develop him.

Or we can just trade for a dude who’s already a stud, has already been developed and fits the timeline.

Who cares if he eats up our salary cap? Beal is a young star, he’s worth the money. Better that, than us saving it in the futile hopes of luring a top player.

Just look at our recent top-10 picks, why are we so eager to jump in that pool again?

Go get Beal, give Booker an actual real life player so he’s not shouldering all the load and then build around Beal/Booker/Ayton and either Bridges or Warren.

BTW; this is wholly dependent on if you think Point-Book works, if you don’t; then you obviously don’t make this trade.

I think Poibt Book can work; so I’m onboard.

Next year;
Booker
Beal
Bridges
?
Ayton

Sign me up

Well, McD was in charge of drafting....and probably those scouts that got canned helped convince him of Bender/Chriss/Len/Jackson, etc.

Lots of teams make many bad draft choices but then make some great ones.

Anyway, I don't think Beal is really available. Wizards fans don't think Leonsis would trade barring a super offer...at least until the offseason depending how this season goes. Thought they had been playing better.

Too be clear. I was never pushing to get Beal. Instead, I am all for trading away picks to get veterans under contract now. We need to shore up our team (Booker, Warren, Ayton, Bridges) and give them a chance to win. I do not believe for one second we will be able to use our summer cap space to get any decent free agents. We will have to overpay someone so that they willingly want to spend time in purgatory. I don't see it happening. We have tried to build through free agency and failed. We have tried to build through the draft and failed. It is time to make some sweeping trades and give away picks for veterans.

Bigfoot, I am on this train for sure....

[Preacherpj]

That's nothing in today's NBA. Like 1/12th of the cap? But he still has a chance to improve. If he doesn't down the stretch this year they can decline his option like they did with Bender.

We had a bad guy making picks. Beal and Booker together would take up half our cap space and they are fairly close to the same player...Beal better now...perhaps Booker with higher upside, but not sure where they take us. We need to stop doubling up on so many positions. We need defense.

Why will we be any better in the future at drafting?

The guy responsible for all of this is still in charge, we have a skeleton crew right now in our scouting department and it’s likely our GM will be a former player with no actual experience.

At some point don’t Suns fans get sick of history just repeating itself??

Sure we can gamble that we pick the right guy AND that we can actually develop him.

Or we can just trade for a dude who’s already a stud, has already been developed and fits the timeline.

Who cares if he eats up our salary cap? Beal is a young star, he’s worth the money. Better that, than us saving it in the futile hopes of luring a top player.

Just look at our recent top-10 picks, why are we so eager to jump in that pool again?

Go get Beal, give Booker an actual real life player so he’s not shouldering all the load and then build around Beal/Booker/Ayton and either Bridges or Warren.

BTW; this is wholly dependent on if you think Point-Book works, if you don’t; then you obviously don’t make this trade.

I think Poibt Book can work; so I’m onboard.

Next year;
Booker
Beal
Bridges
?
Ayton

Sign me up

Well, McD was in charge of drafting....and probably those scouts that got canned helped convince him of Bender/Chriss/Len/Jackson, etc.

Lots of teams make many bad draft choices but then make some great ones.

Anyway, I don't think Beal is really available. Wizards fans don't think Leonsis would trade barring a super offer...at least until the offseason depending how this season goes. Thought they had been playing better.

Sure, if he’s not available it probably doesn’t matter.

But the basic discussion was would be worth that price, I guess we disagree on that.

McD is gone, but the guy running the show isn’t. I just have zero faith in this organization drafting and developing young talent. I’d rather trade the pick, not only to minimize the risk of drafting a bust; but to also get someone more NBA ready to help Book/Ayton.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Once you've lost faith in the ability to draft you might as well just close up shop and give up. Plus what's the logic that they would be any better at making trades than making picks.