Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[HerSports85]

this thread is terrible, i blame capn'o. maybe lock it, start a new one and pretend it never happened.

[K_ick_God]

This thread is quality.

[god shammgod]

It's a rebuild and the management claims they want to do it the right way. 2 years is being optimistic about the timeframe it should take for these guys to be a decent enough team to make it worth dishing out max contracts to anybody

The FO already has its sights set on AD in 2020 so it's not going to take 2 years before they are ready to sign somebody. I don't get how signing a 23 year old All Star who brings something we desperately need is going away from the rebuild or even away from chasing a max cat next year or even 2 years from now if need be. We got enough room for two max cats now, if we sign one max this summer we still have room to add another piece later down the road.

I was just addressing your hypothetical scenario with DSJ. Let's say it takes DSJ 2 more years but by the end of 2021 he's really good and wants the max. Let's be fair about the timeframe, this is how long it took DLo to get it together. So because DSJ was still developing in 2020 you've probably got a good draft pick that summer to add to the core. Then you can sign 2 max cats (either AD in summer 2020 (let's be real he's staying in LA) and 1 more 2021 or 2 in 2021) and you can still go over the cap to re-sign your home grown talent in DSJ to basically have a big 3. In the DLo scenario as you say, you can sign him for 4 years and still have room to sign 1 more max in 2020 or 2021, but the 2020 draft pick is probably worse since DLo is already established, and then you only have 1 max spot open. The first scenario where DSJ becomes a good player and asks for the max is much better.

With that said, I think there's a slim chance DSJ ever becomes good enough to ask for the max

actually no. ds jr's cap hold will stop you from doing that, the same way kp was gonna stop us from signing 2 maxes even if we got rid of thj/lee without him. the same way the nets can't keep d-lo and sign kd/kyrie.

[HEZI]

It's a rebuild and the management claims they want to do it the right way. 2 years is being optimistic about the timeframe it should take for these guys to be a decent enough team to make it worth dishing out max contracts to anybody

The FO already has its sights set on AD in 2020 so it's not going to take 2 years before they are ready to sign somebody. I don't get how signing a 23 year old All Star who brings something we desperately need is going away from the rebuild or even away from chasing a max cat next year or even 2 years from now if need be. We got enough room for two max cats now, if we sign one max this summer we still have room to add another piece later down the road.

I was just addressing your hypothetical scenario with DSJ. Let's say it takes DSJ 2 more years but by the end of 2021 he's really good and wants the max. Let's be fair about the timeframe, this is how long it took DLo to get it together. So because DSJ was still developing in 2020 you've probably got a good draft pick that summer to add to the core. Then you can sign 2 max cats (either AD in summer 2020 (let's be real he's staying in LA) and 1 more 2021 or 2 in 2021) and you can still go over the cap to re-sign your home grown talent in DSJ to basically have a big 3. In the DLo scenario as you say, you can sign him for 4 years and still have room to sign 1 more max in 2020 or 2021, but the 2020 draft pick is probably worse since DLo is already established, and then you only have 1 max spot open. The first scenario where DSJ becomes a good player and asks for the max is much better.

With that said, I think there's a slim chance DSJ ever becomes good enough to ask for the max

Won't there be a cap hold on DSJ by then though? If you do that you will just be right back to where you are now. Also if you do land a higher pick that's a higher salary on your cap so that also will take a good chunk out of your 2021 cap space. By that time you might not even have room for another max

[HerSports85]

It's a rebuild and the management claims they want to do it the right way. 2 years is being optimistic about the timeframe it should take for these guys to be a decent enough team to make it worth dishing out max contracts to anybody

The FO already has its sights set on AD in 2020 so it's not going to take 2 years before they are ready to sign somebody. I don't get how signing a 23 year old All Star who brings something we desperately need is going away from the rebuild or even away from chasing a max cat next year or even 2 years from now if need be. We got enough room for two max cats now, if we sign one max this summer we still have room to add another piece later down the road.

I was just addressing your hypothetical scenario with DSJ. Let's say it takes DSJ 2 more years but by the end of 2021 he's really good and wants the max. Let's be fair about the timeframe, this is how long it took DLo to get it together. So because DSJ was still developing in 2020 you've probably got a good draft pick that summer to add to the core. Then you can sign 2 max cats (either AD in summer 2020 (let's be real he's staying in LA) and 1 more 2021 or 2 in 2021) and you can still go over the cap to re-sign your home grown talent in DSJ to basically have a big 3. In the DLo scenario as you say, you can sign him for 4 years and still have room to sign 1 more max in 2020 or 2021, but the 2020 draft pick is probably worse since DLo is already established, and then you only have 1 max spot open. The first scenario where DSJ becomes a good player and asks for the max is much better.

With that said, I think there's a slim chance DSJ ever becomes good enough to ask for the max

Thanks .. Because I didn’t have the energy. Just to add another option is one max and 2 other star/all stars. You also keep yourself open to trading for stars on the market without having to send a team back a huge contract.

I guess the question is how much better do you think D Lo will be compared to DSJR. Stats says they’re heading in the same direction. But you at least give it to next season to see what you have with DSJR.

Now, I wouldn’t be upset with signing DLO but the smarter move will to keep DSJR.

[robillionaire]

The FO already has its sights set on AD in 2020 so it's not going to take 2 years before they are ready to sign somebody. I don't get how signing a 23 year old All Star who brings something we desperately need is going away from the rebuild or even away from chasing a max cat next year or even 2 years from now if need be. We got enough room for two max cats now, if we sign one max this summer we still have room to add another piece later down the road.

I was just addressing your hypothetical scenario with DSJ. Let's say it takes DSJ 2 more years but by the end of 2021 he's really good and wants the max. Let's be fair about the timeframe, this is how long it took DLo to get it together. So because DSJ was still developing in 2020 you've probably got a good draft pick that summer to add to the core. Then you can sign 2 max cats (either AD in summer 2020 (let's be real he's staying in LA) and 1 more 2021 or 2 in 2021) and you can still go over the cap to re-sign your home grown talent in DSJ to basically have a big 3. In the DLo scenario as you say, you can sign him for 4 years and still have room to sign 1 more max in 2020 or 2021, but the 2020 draft pick is probably worse since DLo is already established, and then you only have 1 max spot open. The first scenario where DSJ becomes a good player and asks for the max is much better.

With that said, I think there's a slim chance DSJ ever becomes good enough to ask for the max

actually no. ds jr's cap hold will stop you from doing that, the same way kp was gonna stop us from signing 2 maxes even if we got rid of thj/lee without him. the same way the nets can't keep d-lo and sign kd/kyrie.

That's true, but the salary cap could also increase by 2021 and if everybody is either on a rookie contract or off the books including Noah's streched contract which will finally be gone by then maybe it's possible?

[DOT]

The FO already has its sights set on AD in 2020 so it's not going to take 2 years before they are ready to sign somebody. I don't get how signing a 23 year old All Star who brings something we desperately need is going away from the rebuild or even away from chasing a max cat next year or even 2 years from now if need be. We got enough room for two max cats now, if we sign one max this summer we still have room to add another piece later down the road.

I was just addressing your hypothetical scenario with DSJ. Let's say it takes DSJ 2 more years but by the end of 2021 he's really good and wants the max. Let's be fair about the timeframe, this is how long it took DLo to get it together. So because DSJ was still developing in 2020 you've probably got a good draft pick that summer to add to the core. Then you can sign 2 max cats (either AD in summer 2020 (let's be real he's staying in LA) and 1 more 2021 or 2 in 2021) and you can still go over the cap to re-sign your home grown talent in DSJ to basically have a big 3. In the DLo scenario as you say, you can sign him for 4 years and still have room to sign 1 more max in 2020 or 2021, but the 2020 draft pick is probably worse since DLo is already established, and then you only have 1 max spot open. The first scenario where DSJ becomes a good player and asks for the max is much better.

With that said, I think there's a slim chance DSJ ever becomes good enough to ask for the max

actually no. ds jr's cap hold will stop you from doing that, the same way kp was gonna stop us from signing 2 maxes even if we got rid of thj/lee without him. the same way the nets can't keep d-lo and sign kd/kyrie.

I mean, like everything, it depends

Assuming we bottom out 2 years in a row and pick 3rd (which is average for worst team in the league), then we pick 14 and 15 in 2021 (one from us, one from Dallas), if we don't extend Trier or Dot we'd have around 61 million. If we get two 5th picks and two mid firsts, it becomes 63 million. If we get 3rd next year and 10th the year after, 65 million. DSJ's cap hold will be 17 million, so it is sizeable, but there's still a very good chance we get to two max slots in 21, or at least we have more than enough for one max and still 20-25 mil left over

[HerSports85]

Doesn’t DSJR cap hold kick in summer of ‘22

[HEZI]

I was just addressing your hypothetical scenario with DSJ. Let's say it takes DSJ 2 more years but by the end of 2021 he's really good and wants the max. Let's be fair about the timeframe, this is how long it took DLo to get it together. So because DSJ was still developing in 2020 you've probably got a good draft pick that summer to add to the core. Then you can sign 2 max cats (either AD in summer 2020 (let's be real he's staying in LA) and 1 more 2021 or 2 in 2021) and you can still go over the cap to re-sign your home grown talent in DSJ to basically have a big 3. In the DLo scenario as you say, you can sign him for 4 years and still have room to sign 1 more max in 2020 or 2021, but the 2020 draft pick is probably worse since DLo is already established, and then you only have 1 max spot open. The first scenario where DSJ becomes a good player and asks for the max is much better.

With that said, I think there's a slim chance DSJ ever becomes good enough to ask for the max

actually no. ds jr's cap hold will stop you from doing that, the same way kp was gonna stop us from signing 2 maxes even if we got rid of thj/lee without him. the same way the nets can't keep d-lo and sign kd/kyrie.

That's true, but the salary cap could also increase by 2021 and if everybody is either on a rookie contract or off the books including Noah's streched contract which will finally be gone by then maybe it's possible?

Noah's deal is stretched out til 2022

[robillionaire]

actually no. ds jr's cap hold will stop you from doing that, the same way kp was gonna stop us from signing 2 maxes even if we got rid of thj/lee without him. the same way the nets can't keep d-lo and sign kd/kyrie.

That's true, but the salary cap could also increase by 2021 and if everybody is either on a rookie contract or off the books including Noah's streched contract which will finally be gone by then maybe it's possible?

Noah's deal is stretched out til 2022

**** you're right

thanks again phil

[HEZI]

Doesn’t DSJR cap hold kick in summer of ‘22

He and Frank are both from the 2017 class

[god shammgod]

if the cap goes up so do maxes and rookie salaries. they're based on a percentage of it. if you start to let other guys go it's possible but it still doesn't seem likely.

[god shammgod]

if ds jr looks better this year but not becoming one of the best players in the league better, the smart thing is to trade him for a future pick. salary cap manipulation is the real talent in being a gm. you want to have cap space to sign the big fish and still have a boatload of assets you can use after you do that. you have to plan it all out.

[malik959]

Y'all swear our young players are gonna break out and we will keep them on rookie contracts their whole career. If they break out they will look to get paid. Are people not aware of this?

Well damn, look at you dropping those knowledge bombs on us peasant folk

So than what's the point in tanking for to become young? I mean sooner or later your just going to have to resign them when they develop.

[spree8]

I'm not even entertaining the idea of Kawhi coming here

I don’t think anyone really was

I been battling with people for weeks who def are.

[god shammgod]

Y'all swear our young players are gonna break out and we will keep them on rookie contracts their whole career. If they break out they will look to get paid. Are people not aware of this?

Well damn, look at you dropping those knowledge bombs on us peasant folk

So than what's the point in tanking for to become young? I mean sooner or later your just going to have to resign them when they develop.

the point is to find a franchise player in the draft or to have a bunch of role players on rookie deals that you can pay after you get your big free agents. until one of those two things happen, you probably let most of the young guys go when it's time for them to get paid.

[spree8]

This is why I brought up Porzingis because when it was talked about resigning him to a 150 mil max deal, nobody was saying that the rebuild was abandoned. Now you replace him with another 23 year old who plays a different position but brings just as much if not more impact and all of a sudden we are going away from the initial plan? Just doesn't make sense but whatever

I don’t get that. I was one of the first people to mention signing DLo when KD went down and got bombed for it. At worst, he’s a young All Star pg who we could trade if it didn’t work out. There’s plenty of teams willing to max him out, who would possibly still be interested if it turned out that way (Suns, Pacers, Magic, etc).

[stuporman]

It boggles the mind that people really want to sign a player who is inefficient offensively and pathetic defensively to almost $30mil per year.....it's a Timmy move... a more expensive Timmy.

[HEZI]

Whether some like it or not RJ Barrett is the Knicks franchise player. If you need more proof then tell me a time when a Knicks rookie ever got treated like he has been up to this point. He's basically our DWade now. The Knicks are his team and MSG is his playground

[HEZI]

Comparing DLo to Tim Hardaway Jr.?

Man I'm done