Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

machu46 · Post #141 » by **machu46** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:55 pm

If my memory of the CBA is correct, a TPE carries an equal cap hold so I believe this means, we sign Brook, then Middleton to go over the cap, and then execute this trade to create a TPE or roughly $10 million (due to BYC). Or we execute the trade before the Middleton signing, don’t get a TPE, and waive Leuer to carve out $10 million for a free agent in addition to Brook.

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LuessiT · Post #142 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:55 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
emunney wrote:Gut punch. Picks and a big trade exception though, good opportunity to land a quality player.

Am I the only one who thinks this one was really good?

No, I think it was really good.

Guess we're pretty alone on that island but I feel very confident with that take. We got a big return for a guy who wanted out and we weren't going to bring back.

rrayy · Post #143 » by **rrayy** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

James1980 wrote:Bucks don't know how restricted free agency works

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Brogdon likely doesn't want to be in Milwaukee. If he won't sign with Milwaukee, would you rather him walk for nothing?

skones · Post #144 » by **skones** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

Ruben Quevedo wrote:
skones wrote:
Ruben Quevedo wrote:Can we trade for Beal with those assets?

Not large enough.

What about jrue holiday?

This is pretty simple math. If Brogdon starts at around 21, that's the TPE. Both of those guys make more, so no.

NomNomNomParker · Post #145 » by **NomNomNomParker** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
emunney wrote:Gut punch. Picks and a big trade exception though, good opportunity to land a quality player.

Am I the only one who thinks this one was really good?

No, I think it was really good.

I'm on this boat, but it depends on our next moves as well. I love Malcolm, but I never thought he would be back.

SupremeHustle · Post #146 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
emunney wrote:Gut punch. Picks and a big trade exception though, good opportunity to land a quality player.

Am I the only one who thinks this one was really good?

No, I think it was really good.

I'm right there with you guys. The Bucks are in a position to facilitate. Teams will need us.

vital_signs · Post #147 » by **vital_signs** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

BradMKE wrote:The owners cheap out. First of many cost-saving moves before they sell the team, leaving us with the albatross of Middleton’s deal.

My body jolted after reading this.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #148 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

LuessiT wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this one was really good?

No, I think it was really good.

Guess we're pretty alone on that island but I feel very confident with that take. We got a big return for a guy who wanted out and we weren't going to bring back.

It is good pending return on the TPE. I don't want to be sitting on that size TPE when the season starts.

raferfenix · Post #149 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

So that Bledsoe extension looking more and more suspect in the context of making this kind of call with Brogdon.

Plenty of time for the front office to prove this is the right call. But if it's due to LED not wanting to pay luxury tax...

James1980 · Post #150 » by **James1980** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

Without Brogdon and locked into Middleton for 178 mil

GBPackers47 wrote:
James1980 wrote:That's fine. I think we peaked last year at ECF appearance and 2 games away from finals, we'll see.
GBPackers47 wrote:
Thousands of other people will because the Bucks will still be legit so no worry for them.

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So if we peaked then why are people upset we didn’t spend almost $90 mil on Malcolm?

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ZeppelinPage · Post #151 » by **ZeppelinPage** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

Okay the TPE actually makes it likely we might just swing that for another player to replace Brogdon.

MikeIsGood · Post #152 » by **MikeIsGood** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:56 pm

Prez wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:Will reserve judgement to see what we can do with the TPE - and we sure as hell better be doing something - but not very happy. Do we know what Brogdon's contract is going to be? Haven't seen that, might have just missed it.

Fully guaranteed 4/85 mil.

Thanks.

Man, I think that's a pretty reasonable contract tbh. Heavy sigh from me. Work some magic, Horst...

LikeABosh · Post #153 » by **LikeABosh** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:57 pm

humanrefutation wrote:On the plus side, it would have been much worse if Brogdon went to Philly.

Furthermore, they lost Redick and possibly Butler. I think they'll regress

Post #154 » by **humanrefutation** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:57 pm

Well, Gery was right after all.

M-C-G · Post #155 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:57 pm

LuessiT wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this one was really good?

No, I think it was really good.

Guess we're pretty alone on that island but I feel very confident with that take. We got a big return for a guy who wanted out and we weren't going to bring back.

I love Brogdon and would have prioritized him ahead of Middleton. But I like the return and don’t think someone should fully judge this move until after we see if we can acquire something with the TPE

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TroyD92 · Post #156 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:57 pm

If they are signing Brogdon to be a Point Guard I could see instant buyers remorse.

Wonka · Post #157 » by **Wonka** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:57 pm

Well, our owners suck. That’s good to know

Ruben Quevedo · Post #158 » by **Ruben Quevedo** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:58 pm

LuessiT wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this one was really good?

No, I think it was really good.

Guess we're pretty alone on that island but I feel very confident with that take. We got a big return for a guy who wanted out and we weren't going to bring back.

Who cares if he didn’t want back? We held the cards. If we wanted him we should’ve kept him. If we didn’t want him, then I hope to God it’s because we have a better player in mind

JEIS · Post #159 » by **JEIS** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:58 pm

They will likely bring Hill back.

skones · Post #160 » by **skones** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:58 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this one was really good?

No, I think it was really good.

I'm right there with you guys. The Bucks are in a position to facilitate. Teams will need us.

Like, say, Houston shedding salary for Jimmy Butler? Where we replace Brogdon with Eric Gordon?